Core 2 Duo or X2?

ThatGuy16 · 10-25-2007, 06:35 AM

How old is that, because i know i read somewere stating it was infact truely 3 cores on a single die

**mep916** · 10-25-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy16

How old is that, because i know i read somewere stating it was infact truely 3 cores on a single die

It's from the latest issue of Maximum PC. I received it in the mail today. Thought I read that in a previous issue. Guess not.

ThatGuy16 · 10-25-2007, 08:01 AM

Who knows.... maybe we will find out when they start releasing and someone tears one apart

StrangleHold · 10-25-2007, 12:52 PM

In particular, Brewer and other AMD executives cited a recent study from Mercury Research pointing out that quad-core processors represented less than two percent of desktop shipments during the second quarter, while dual-core took up the remaining 98 percent. Until demand ramps up for quad-core, triple core will serve as something of an intermediary, according to AMD. At the same time, the company hopes it will also stimulate broader multi-core adoption.
"We left the megahertz race for the core race," said John Taylor, product communications director at AMD. "The sweet spot is now four (cores) and down … and there are a lot of scenarios where three cores outperforms dual core," he said.
Nathan Brookwood, an analyst at Insight64, agrees.
"I think it could be clever," said Brookwood, who was also at the briefing. "Conceivably, a tri-core chip from AMD could run 20 percent faster than a quad-core chip and feature a 15-16 percent performance boost for each thread. That would be interesting to many users."
(((In terms of architecture, Brewer also confirmed on Monday that the yet-to-be named processor will basically be a quad-core processor with one core disabled, and that it will feature the company's Direct Connect architecture, as well as a shared L3 cache, and other architectural selling points that Intel currently lacks.)))

From what I can tell based on what has been announced, the new triple-core Phenom is essentially what The Inquirer described it as—((a quad-core Phenom with one core disabled.)) This should help alleviate some of the yield issues that are bound to plague a part this size, but only if the tri-core actually sells

Why a three-core chip? There's definitely a manufacturing edge to be gained there: Not all of the CPUs that come off a wafer will work properly. The native quad-core design AMD's using for Phenom (and the Barcelona server CPUs it just released), makes it easy for the company to ((deactivate a defective core)) and still have a viable three-core chip. Sony does something similar with the Cell processor in the Playstation 3 shipping with seven of its eight SPE cores operational.

Ever since AMD has announced its tri-core, most of the drama has been around the fact that it is most likely a ((defective quad-core, with one disabled unit.)) It is obvious that it would save AMD money to resell chips that would otherwise go to the trash bin

Of course, no one sets out to make a three-core product - AMD is simply being commercially canny. Of all the quad-core chips it punches out, some will have cores that are dead or not up to scratch. AMD can't sell them as four-core products, and while it might have once sold them as dual-core chips, by disabling one of the remaining cores, it now plans to offer them as three-core CPUs.
That allows it to not only sell chips it might otherwise have had to discard or offer as cheaper, two-core parts, but also allows it to position the three-core products as superior to Intel's rival Core 2 Duo chip.

Dual_Corex2 · 10-25-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by [-0MEGA-]

X4's? AMD hasnt even released their tri-core models yet, so dont expect quad-core desktop processors to be available well into 2008.

They already make quad-core Opertons. And with their dual-cpu boards you can make that into 8 cores.

StrangleHold · 10-25-2007, 03:02 PM

The Desktop Phenom X4 Agena and Phenom X2 Kuma is suppost to be released in the middle of November and the Tri Core around Feb. 08

Dual_Corex2 · 10-25-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by StrangleHold

The Desktop Phenom X4 Agena and Phenom X2 Kuma is suppost to be released in the middle of November and the Tri Core around Feb. 08

Im gettin the Phenom

KevinKevin · 10-25-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by diduknowthat

AMD is cheaper, but longer lasting when idled? I haven't really heard anything on that. Plus, I doubt anyone will use a processor to it's full lifetime, by then the computer will be useless anyways.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQLgh1vNN0

This proves that AMD Processors & Motherboards are more advanced and have better sustainability than the Intel Processors & Motherboards. Obviously, I've never known anyone to keep their computers on for that amount of time, but isn't it good to know that you are able to keep your computer on for a longer period without failing? Although the Intel Processors & Motherboards may be that little inch faster, what's the point in spending a lot more money on a processor at the same speed if you can find a cheaper processor with the same speed? Summarizing all of this; AMD processors & motherboards are in a different, better league.

DirtyD86 · 10-25-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinKevin

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQLgh1vNN0

This proves that AMD Processors & Motherboards are more advanced and have better sustainability than the Intel Processors & Motherboards. Obviously, I've never known anyone to keep their computers on for that amount of time, but isn't it good to know that you are able to keep your computer on for a longer period without failing? Although the Intel Processors & Motherboards may be that little inch faster, what's the point in spending a lot more money on a processor at the same speed if you can find a cheaper processor with the same speed? Summarizing all of this; AMD processors & motherboards are in a different, better league.

amd fanboy

a dying breed

salman · 10-25-2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinKevin

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQLgh1vNN0

This proves that AMD Processors & Motherboards are more advanced and have better sustainability than the Intel Processors & Motherboards. Obviously, I've never known anyone to keep their computers on for that amount of time, but isn't it good to know that you are able to keep your computer on for a longer period without failing? Although the Intel Processors & Motherboards may be that little inch faster, what's the point in spending a lot more money on a processor at the same speed if you can find a cheaper processor with the same speed? Summarizing all of this; AMD processors & motherboards are in a different, better league.

I'm sorry if i sound crude, but i don't think you know what you are on about

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StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: And you think your safe! Posts: 8,619	In particular, Brewer and other AMD executives cited a recent study from Mercury Research pointing out that quad-core processors represented less than two percent of desktop shipments during the second quarter, while dual-core took up the remaining 98 percent. Until demand ramps up for quad-core, triple core will serve as something of an intermediary, according to AMD. At the same time, the company hopes it will also stimulate broader multi-core adoption. "We left the megahertz race for the core race," said John Taylor, product communications director at AMD. "The sweet spot is now four (cores) and down … and there are a lot of scenarios where three cores outperforms dual core," he said. Nathan Brookwood, an analyst at Insight64, agrees. "I think it could be clever," said Brookwood, who was also at the briefing. "Conceivably, a tri-core chip from AMD could run 20 percent faster than a quad-core chip and feature a 15-16 percent performance boost for each thread. That would be interesting to many users." (((In terms of architecture, Brewer also confirmed on Monday that the yet-to-be named processor will basically be a quad-core processor with one core disabled, and that it will feature the company's Direct Connect architecture, as well as a shared L3 cache, and other architectural selling points that Intel currently lacks.))) From what I can tell based on what has been announced, the new triple-core Phenom is essentially what The Inquirer described it as—((a quad-core Phenom with one core disabled.)) This should help alleviate some of the yield issues that are bound to plague a part this size, but only if the tri-core actually sells Why a three-core chip? There's definitely a manufacturing edge to be gained there: Not all of the CPUs that come off a wafer will work properly. The native quad-core design AMD's using for Phenom (and the Barcelona server CPUs it just released), makes it easy for the company to ((deactivate a defective core)) and still have a viable three-core chip. Sony does something similar with the Cell processor in the Playstation 3 shipping with seven of its eight SPE cores operational. Ever since AMD has announced its tri-core, most of the drama has been around the fact that it is most likely a ((defective quad-core, with one disabled unit.)) It is obvious that it would save AMD money to resell chips that would otherwise go to the trash bin Of course, no one sets out to make a three-core product - AMD is simply being commercially canny. Of all the quad-core chips it punches out, some will have cores that are dead or not up to scratch. AMD can't sell them as four-core products, and while it might have once sold them as dual-core chips, by disabling one of the remaining cores, it now plans to offer them as three-core CPUs. That allows it to not only sell chips it might otherwise have had to discard or offer as cheaper, two-core parts, but also allows it to position the three-core products as superior to Intel's rival Core 2 Duo chip. __________________ NZXT Apollo Phenom 8750BE 3.1ghz. Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 1066 4gb. PNY 8800GT/VD964 W/D RE2 Sata 3.0 500gb. Last edited by StrangleHold; 10-25-2007 at 01:03 PM.

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StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: And you think your safe! Posts: 8,619	The Desktop Phenom X4 Agena and Phenom X2 Kuma is suppost to be released in the middle of November and the Tri Core around Feb. 08 __________________ NZXT Apollo Phenom 8750BE 3.1ghz. Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 1066 4gb. PNY 8800GT/VD964 W/D RE2 Sata 3.0 500gb.

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