Building a Modern Gaming Rig

lrh9 · 11-01-2007, 03:59 PM

I want to start by saying that I am new here and I am fairly new to building computers. I know that, with me being a novice, I am setting my sights high by choosing to plan a modern gaming rig and that it is a little presumptuous. And on one final note I have nowhere near the means to build a modern gaming rig or buy one. I am just doing this for fun, learning, and perhaps as a business venture. I can definitely see myself manufacturing and selling custom computers. Enough of all that. Thinking about what computer I would like to have, I decided to head over to Newegg and see what I could come up with. My goals were to select components for a modern gaming rig that could run all current and past games at full quality and most future games (within the next 5 years) at full or functional quality. Despite being a newbie, I am aware of the competition between AMD and Intel. I decided to go against looking into quad cores even though they are the technology of the future because I am building a modern rig, not ultra-modern. This may be unfounded, but I also believe brand new hardwares are unstable? And when comparing dual core processors, it is generally agreed that AMD is better for gaming. I selected the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor. It appears to meet my performance requirements and the price looks very appealing. Moving on to the graphics card, I selected the GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card. It is a great card and I like the Vista and DirectX 10 support. On a side note, what would the differences be between having one versus having two? Really what I'm asking is can one handle the latest games on max quality with Windows Vista Aero running as the OS. The prices hurt compared to other things, but it is a top of the line item and if I get the chance to build this soon, I want to know. Some difficult and confusion arose during the selection of a mobo. I chose the ASUS CROSSHAIR AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard because it appears to be compatible with the above CPU and GPX. If it is not PLEASE correct me! Assuming that they are compatible I moved on to selecting memory and chose 4 sticks of GeIL Value Series 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory to gain max RAM on the computer. My primary concern is that it is a company I've never heard of. Are the products reliable? There were no reviews. I want the best sound for the buck so I decided I am going to replace the mobo onboard audio with a Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card. I've heard it is the best for gamers. My concerns are: Will it use the PCI Express x4 slot if I have both x16s holding graphics cards? Is it a reliable product? I've heard a few complaints. Not enough to turn me off, but enough to make me cautious. The hard drive I selected is the Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive. I can purchase an external hard drive if I need to store things in an archive. All the games which I would purchase will fit in 160GB. I don't need anymore size. Is it the best type for my mobo? I'm sure it works, but are access times the best? I am running short of time while writing this so here are two more things to consider. The optical media drive is the ASUS Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 14X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe, the NIC is the Intel 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45, and the power supply I selected is the PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50°C Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, TUV, RoHS. I had the most trouble with that and I'm not sure if it is sufficient or reliable. I know this is a lot to ask. I would like you to analyze this to make sure everthing is compatible and reliable, with special consideration for overclocking. I am confident I can safely overclock. I just want to know if there will be any problems with the selected hardware and what the limits will be. Also, I know internal temperatures will be high. I am certain I will need water cooling. Are additional fans necessary? I would appreciate recommendations for cooling systems. I need to select a case. I want to be able to view the interior of the computer and have cool lighting with everything fitting inside, so appropriate size. Any suggestions? On a final note I would like to know where I can get these cheapest at. I am sure Newegg is one of the best, but almost all of these parts had no rebates or OEMs. Can I get deals if I have a small business manufacturing and selling computers? I would also appreciate it if you reviewed these parts for effectiveness. If you know something better please tell me. I will have a new post for external hardware and peripherals. I am sorry for asking for everything but the kitchen sink, but I'm inexperienced. Please take a little time to help out a noob and don't be frustrated. I've come a long way and I'm sure I can go a lot further with your help. Thank you!

spanky · 11-01-2007, 04:01 PM

One word: Paragraphs.

tommy25 · 11-01-2007, 04:04 PM

OMFG, im not reading all that

daisymtc · 11-01-2007, 04:22 PM

Too lengthly, don't want to read. Can you just type the list?
I saw you said AMD is best for gaming!? Are you joking?
And you choose 8800GTX... I know you want to build a ultimate gaming machine, but I personally will not spend that much of money on GPU with already known that 8800GTX is only DX10 not supporting DX10.1, PCI-E 1.1. 8800GT is the way to go at this moment IMO.
4 stick of 2GB RAM?? What for?
Also you are building gaming machine, why you use X-Fi Xtreme Audio? You should get X-Fi XtremeGamer or X-Fi XtremeGamer FPS
Even though you have AMD x2 6400 and 8800GTX, it doesn't mean you need a $580 1000W PSU. What for? A OCZ GameXStream 700W will probably enough!

If it is the way you think a business should be, I will say you get it wrong.

vonfeldt7 · 11-01-2007, 04:35 PM

Half of me wants to read that....but I'm not very fond of my eyes bleeding...soo.....sorry.

daisymtc · 11-01-2007, 05:09 PM

Let me help everyone to do some highlight.

I want to start by saying that I am new here and I am fairly new to building computers. I know that, with me being a novice, I am setting my sights high by choosing to plan a modern gaming rig and that it is a little presumptuous. And on one final note I have nowhere near the means to build a modern gaming rig or buy one. I am just doing this for fun, learning, and perhaps as a business venture. I can definitely see myself manufacturing and selling custom computers. Enough of all that. Thinking about what computer I would like to have, I decided to head over to Newegg and see what I could come up with. My goals were to select components for a modern gaming rig that could run all current and past games at full quality and most future games (within the next 5 years) at full or functional quality. Despite being a newbie, I am aware of the competition between AMD and Intel. I decided to go against looking into quad cores even though they are the technology of the future because I am building a modern rig, not ultra-modern. This may be unfounded, but I also believe brand new hardwares are unstable? And when comparing dual core processors, it is generally agreed that AMD is better for gaming. I selected the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor. It appears to meet my performance requirements and the price looks very appealing. Moving on to the graphics card, I selected the GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card. It is a great card and I like the Vista and DirectX 10 support. On a side note, what would the differences be between having one versus having two? Really what I'm asking is can one handle the latest games on max quality with Windows Vista Aero running as the OS. The prices hurt compared to other things, but it is a top of the line item and if I get the chance to build this soon, I want to know. Some difficult and confusion arose during the selection of a mobo. I chose the ASUS CROSSHAIR AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard because it appears to be compatible with the above CPU and GPX. If it is not PLEASE correct me! Assuming that they are compatible I moved on to selecting memory and chose 4 sticks of GeIL Value Series 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory to gain max RAM on the computer. My primary concern is that it is a company I've never heard of. Are the products reliable? There were no reviews. I want the best sound for the buck so I decided I am going to replace the mobo onboard audio with a Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card. I've heard it is the best for gamers. My concerns are: Will it use the PCI Express x4 slot if I have both x16s holding graphics cards? Is it a reliable product? I've heard a few complaints. Not enough to turn me off, but enough to make me cautious. The hard drive I selected is the Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive. I can purchase an external hard drive if I need to store things in an archive. All the games which I would purchase will fit in 160GB. I don't need anymore size. Is it the best type for my mobo? I'm sure it works, but are access times the best? I am running short of time while writing this so here are two more things to consider. The optical media drive is the ASUS Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 14X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe, the NIC is the Intel 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45, and the power supply I selected is the PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50°C Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, TUV, RoHS. I had the most trouble with that and I'm not sure if it is sufficient or reliable. I know this is a lot to ask. I would like you to analyze this to make sure everthing is compatible and reliable, with special consideration for overclocking. I am confident I can safely overclock. I just want to know if there will be any problems with the selected hardware and what the limits will be. Also, I know internal temperatures will be high. I am certain I will need water cooling. Are additional fans necessary? I would appreciate recommendations for cooling systems. I need to select a case. I want to be able to view the interior of the computer and have cool lighting with everything fitting inside, so appropriate size. Any suggestions? On a final note I would like to know where I can get these cheapest at. I am sure Newegg is one of the best, but almost all of these parts had no rebates or OEMs. Can I get deals if I have a small business manufacturing and selling computers? I would also appreciate it if you reviewed these parts for effectiveness. If you know something better please tell me. I will have a new post for external hardware and peripherals. I am sorry for asking for everything but the kitchen sink, but I'm inexperienced. Please take a little time to help out a noob and don't be frustrated. I've come a long way and I'm sure I can go a lot further with your help. Thank you!

epidemik · 11-01-2007, 05:20 PM

I tried skimming...do you have a price range?

tuxify · 11-01-2007, 07:32 PM

Ummmmmmmmmmmm... I'll keep it open... Maybe print it out for some toilet paper...

paratwa · 11-01-2007, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theresthatguy

One word: Paragraphs.

Very true!

We don't mean to be rude or to belittle you by any means. But We read a lot of requests every day, and to try to read yours, well... it's not easy to do.

Making it all one paragraph like that makes it confusing. In the future, please break it up. And you tend to bounce all over the place, from one topic to another, then back to a previous topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lrh9

And when comparing dual core processors, it is generally agreed that AMD is better for gaming.

Who told you that lie?

lrh9 · 11-01-2007, 10:20 PM

Alright. I will use more paragraphs. That was more of a train of thought thing, so it did go back and forth a little. I got very hurried at the end too.

Thanks for highlighting the main points daisymtc. I don't think it is that much to read myself.

I said I was new at this. I am still looking for the best deals and the best configurations. I have no intention of working based on what I know currently.

"I am just doing this for fun, learning, and perhaps as a business venture."

I am thankful for the constructive criticism though.

I trust CNET and they give the following information for gaming with AMD or Intel: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav

And the following for overall: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav

Go here to see the entire thing: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav

8GB of RAM is the max, and on second thought is probably too much. But what is recommended in this case? What is the minimum?

I searched the internet for the best audio and all I found was "X-Fi". Nobody ever mentioned anything about ones for gamers, even thought that was the topic. Thanks for informing me.

My first ideas were like a rough draft. They are enduring a first revision and will probably have a second or even third. Thanks to everyone who read and helped out! I'm looking forward to more posts.

11-01-2007, 03:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
lrh9 New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3	Building a Modern Gaming Rig I want to start by saying that I am new here and I am fairly new to building computers. I know that, with me being a novice, I am setting my sights high by choosing to plan a modern gaming rig and that it is a little presumptuous. And on one final note I have nowhere near the means to build a modern gaming rig or buy one. I am just doing this for fun, learning, and perhaps as a business venture. I can definitely see myself manufacturing and selling custom computers. Enough of all that. Thinking about what computer I would like to have, I decided to head over to Newegg and see what I could come up with. My goals were to select components for a modern gaming rig that could run all current and past games at full quality and most future games (within the next 5 years) at full or functional quality. Despite being a newbie, I am aware of the competition between AMD and Intel. I decided to go against looking into quad cores even though they are the technology of the future because I am building a modern rig, not ultra-modern. This may be unfounded, but I also believe brand new hardwares are unstable? And when comparing dual core processors, it is generally agreed that AMD is better for gaming. I selected the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor. It appears to meet my performance requirements and the price looks very appealing. Moving on to the graphics card, I selected the GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card. It is a great card and I like the Vista and DirectX 10 support. On a side note, what would the differences be between having one versus having two? Really what I'm asking is can one handle the latest games on max quality with Windows Vista Aero running as the OS. The prices hurt compared to other things, but it is a top of the line item and if I get the chance to build this soon, I want to know. Some difficult and confusion arose during the selection of a mobo. I chose the ASUS CROSSHAIR AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard because it appears to be compatible with the above CPU and GPX. If it is not PLEASE correct me! Assuming that they are compatible I moved on to selecting memory and chose 4 sticks of GeIL Value Series 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory to gain max RAM on the computer. My primary concern is that it is a company I've never heard of. Are the products reliable? There were no reviews. I want the best sound for the buck so I decided I am going to replace the mobo onboard audio with a Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card. I've heard it is the best for gamers. My concerns are: Will it use the PCI Express x4 slot if I have both x16s holding graphics cards? Is it a reliable product? I've heard a few complaints. Not enough to turn me off, but enough to make me cautious. The hard drive I selected is the Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive. I can purchase an external hard drive if I need to store things in an archive. All the games which I would purchase will fit in 160GB. I don't need anymore size. Is it the best type for my mobo? I'm sure it works, but are access times the best? I am running short of time while writing this so here are two more things to consider. The optical media drive is the ASUS Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 14X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe, the NIC is the Intel 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45, and the power supply I selected is the PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50°C Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, TUV, RoHS. I had the most trouble with that and I'm not sure if it is sufficient or reliable. I know this is a lot to ask. I would like you to analyze this to make sure everthing is compatible and reliable, with special consideration for overclocking. I am confident I can safely overclock. I just want to know if there will be any problems with the selected hardware and what the limits will be. Also, I know internal temperatures will be high. I am certain I will need water cooling. Are additional fans necessary? I would appreciate recommendations for cooling systems. I need to select a case. I want to be able to view the interior of the computer and have cool lighting with everything fitting inside, so appropriate size. Any suggestions? On a final note I would like to know where I can get these cheapest at. I am sure Newegg is one of the best, but almost all of these parts had no rebates or OEMs. Can I get deals if I have a small business manufacturing and selling computers? I would also appreciate it if you reviewed these parts for effectiveness. If you know something better please tell me. I will have a new post for external hardware and peripherals. I am sorry for asking for everything but the kitchen sink, but I'm inexperienced. Please take a little time to help out a noob and don't be frustrated. I've come a long way and I'm sure I can go a lot further with your help. Thank you!

11-01-2007, 04:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
spanky Diamond Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: KC, MO Posts: 2,419	One word: Paragraphs. __________________ CS:S [.:CF:.] site: http://forums.cfclan.net/ Formerly theresthatguy CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 HSF: TK IFX-14 with 120 mm @ 114 CFM GPU: XFX 7950 GX2 RAM: 2GB Corsair XMS2 Pro DDR2 800 MOBO: Intel D975XBX HDD:80GB/750GB Seagates CASE: P180b

11-01-2007, 04:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
tommy25 Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 289	OMFG, im not reading all that __________________ MacBookPro 2.33ghz C2D 2GB ram Radeon x1600 120gb hd

11-01-2007, 04:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
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11-01-2007, 05:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
daisymtc Diamond Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 2,563	Let me help everyone to do some highlight. I want to start by saying that I am new here and I am fairly new to building computers. I know that, with me being a novice, I am setting my sights high by choosing to plan a modern gaming rig and that it is a little presumptuous. And on one final note I have nowhere near the means to build a modern gaming rig or buy one. I am just doing this for fun, learning, and perhaps as a business venture. I can definitely see myself manufacturing and selling custom computers. Enough of all that. Thinking about what computer I would like to have, I decided to head over to Newegg and see what I could come up with. My goals were to select components for a modern gaming rig that could run all current and past games at full quality and most future games (within the next 5 years) at full or functional quality. Despite being a newbie, I am aware of the competition between AMD and Intel. I decided to go against looking into quad cores even though they are the technology of the future because I am building a modern rig, not ultra-modern. This may be unfounded, but I also believe brand new hardwares are unstable? And when comparing dual core processors, it is generally agreed that AMD is better for gaming. I selected the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor. It appears to meet my performance requirements and the price looks very appealing. Moving on to the graphics card, I selected the GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card. It is a great card and I like the Vista and DirectX 10 support. On a side note, what would the differences be between having one versus having two? Really what I'm asking is can one handle the latest games on max quality with Windows Vista Aero running as the OS. The prices hurt compared to other things, but it is a top of the line item and if I get the chance to build this soon, I want to know. Some difficult and confusion arose during the selection of a mobo. I chose the ASUS CROSSHAIR AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard because it appears to be compatible with the above CPU and GPX. If it is not PLEASE correct me! Assuming that they are compatible I moved on to selecting memory and chose 4 sticks of GeIL Value Series 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory to gain max RAM on the computer. My primary concern is that it is a company I've never heard of. Are the products reliable? There were no reviews. I want the best sound for the buck so I decided I am going to replace the mobo onboard audio with a Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card. I've heard it is the best for gamers. My concerns are: Will it use the PCI Express x4 slot if I have both x16s holding graphics cards? Is it a reliable product? I've heard a few complaints. Not enough to turn me off, but enough to make me cautious. The hard drive I selected is the Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive. I can purchase an external hard drive if I need to store things in an archive. All the games which I would purchase will fit in 160GB. I don't need anymore size. Is it the best type for my mobo? I'm sure it works, but are access times the best? I am running short of time while writing this so here are two more things to consider. The optical media drive is the ASUS Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 14X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe, the NIC is the Intel 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45, and the power supply I selected is the PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50°C Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, TUV, RoHS. I had the most trouble with that and I'm not sure if it is sufficient or reliable. I know this is a lot to ask. I would like you to analyze this to make sure everthing is compatible and reliable, with special consideration for overclocking. I am confident I can safely overclock. I just want to know if there will be any problems with the selected hardware and what the limits will be. Also, I know internal temperatures will be high. I am certain I will need water cooling. Are additional fans necessary? I would appreciate recommendations for cooling systems. I need to select a case. I want to be able to view the interior of the computer and have cool lighting with everything fitting inside, so appropriate size. Any suggestions? On a final note I would like to know where I can get these cheapest at. I am sure Newegg is one of the best, but almost all of these parts had no rebates or OEMs. Can I get deals if I have a small business manufacturing and selling computers? I would also appreciate it if you reviewed these parts for effectiveness. If you know something better please tell me. I will have a new post for external hardware and peripherals. I am sorry for asking for everything but the kitchen sink, but I'm inexperienced. Please take a little time to help out a noob and don't be frustrated. I've come a long way and I'm sure I can go a lot further with your help. Thank you! Last edited by daisymtc; 11-01-2007 at 05:38 PM.

11-01-2007, 04:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
daisymtc Diamond Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 2,563	Too lengthly, don't want to read. Can you just type the list? I saw you said AMD is best for gaming!? Are you joking? And you choose 8800GTX... I know you want to build a ultimate gaming machine, but I personally will not spend that much of money on GPU with already known that 8800GTX is only DX10 not supporting DX10.1, PCI-E 1.1. 8800GT is the way to go at this moment IMO. 4 stick of 2GB RAM?? What for? Also you are building gaming machine, why you use X-Fi Xtreme Audio? You should get X-Fi XtremeGamer or X-Fi XtremeGamer FPS Even though you have AMD x2 6400 and 8800GTX, it doesn't mean you need a $580 1000W PSU. What for? A OCZ GameXStream 700W will probably enough! If it is the way you think a business should be, I will say you get it wrong.

11-01-2007, 05:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
epidemik Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ashland Oregon Age: 16 Posts: 2,556	I tried skimming...do you have a price range? __________________ E7200 Sapphire HD4850 OCZ Platinum 2GB RAM Western Digital 320GB HD LITEON DVD Burner OCZ 600W SXS CF xFire Group: Click Here Then PM Me If You Apply

11-01-2007, 10:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
lrh9 New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3	Alright. I will use more paragraphs. That was more of a train of thought thing, so it did go back and forth a little. I got very hurried at the end too. Thanks for highlighting the main points daisymtc. I don't think it is that much to read myself. I said I was new at this. I am still looking for the best deals and the best configurations. I have no intention of working based on what I know currently. "I am just doing this for fun, learning, and perhaps as a business venture." I am thankful for the constructive criticism though. I trust CNET and they give the following information for gaming with AMD or Intel: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav And the following for overall: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav Go here to see the entire thing: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav 8GB of RAM is the max, and on second thought is probably too much. But what is recommended in this case? What is the minimum? I searched the internet for the best audio and all I found was "X-Fi". Nobody ever mentioned anything about ones for gamers, even thought that was the topic. Thanks for informing me. My first ideas were like a rough draft. They are enduring a first revision and will probably have a second or even third. Thanks to everyone who read and helped out! I'm looking forward to more posts. Last edited by lrh9; 11-01-2007 at 10:30 PM. Reason: Accidentally submitted incomplete.

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