XP or Vista

Jabes · 11-25-2007, 05:46 AM

just to say that I'm not scared of replying I'll reply

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"IF YOU HATE VISTA EITHER THE PC YOUR TRYING TO RUN IT ON IS A POS OR YOUR A NOOB
noob
1. (Internet slang, pejorative) A newb or newbie; refers to the idea that someone is new to a game, concept, or idea; implying a lack of experience.
* Noobs are annoying, they never know the forum rules."

Ah, the ignorance of teenagers. And before my rant, for the record, no, I was never this bad...

everybody thinks that they aren't as bad as everybody else and my sig is just for kicks mainly but its kinda true thats y ur mad right now

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So we bash people who don't like Vista, then bash their computers, and then bash their computer intelligence?

well I'll admit I'll never run it on my laptop because its a pos amd athlon 3000 512mb of ram

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I absolutely hate this cliche, but I had been using computers for several years by the time your parents were conceiving you.

well my parents are computer illiterate for most of the part so they didn't get me into comps and I've been usin them since I was 9 or ten probably

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I like to think I have an absolute demigod status of superior computer knowledge when compared to John Q. Public, and a very decent knowledge when compared to some others on these Forums.

for the record I'm NOT saying I kno everything about comps but I kno a good bit

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That being said, I've used Vista three times, and would prefer to never again deal with it. It will *never* see installation on a computer in my house. Does that mean my system listed below is god-awful? Does it mean I seemingly know nothing about computers in your eyes?

My current system can run the best version of Vista with ease and not even begin to sweat, but it will never have that 'opportunity'...pity. I've personally hated your sig since I first saw it, but never called you out until now because you were never being an ass before. Do you expect that computer knowledge approaching your obviously omnipotent level is just ingrained into every human? Do you expect someone to sit down in front of an OS for the first time and 'just know everything'?

y won't vista go on ur comp? just because u used it for 3 days?

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You were a newbie once, too. Try to humble yourself for a moment and remember. Since when did hating new folks and taking shots at them become the norm? At 14 years old, you're probably a HS Freshman, yes? You know those jerk kids who would pick on Freshman their first week of school just because they were Freshman...you're going to be one of those the next three years, aren't you?

nope I'm a sophomore

and I don't kno because I'm homeschooled

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You don't have to be a Newbie to know this Post will most likely be pulled by the PTB's. I sincerely hope you have a chance to read this before then.

like I said earlier I DON'T kno everything about computers but u have to be real dumb not to kno how to use vista

--Jay (Defending Computer-illiterates and Forum Newbies from people like Jabes)

and u said I'm being a jerk well well well

ThatGuy16 · 11-25-2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by imsati

I've said everything I'm going to, as well as what needed to be said. I'm done with this Thread.

You started it, you dug that post up. Why debate?

From my experieance, Vista is alot more stable. If you get an error on XP, it will BSOD no questions asked. Vista doesn't commit a crash dump, it gives you the option to close the program. Something along those lines anyway.

Jabes · 11-25-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy16

You started it, you dug that post up. Why debate?

From my experieance, Vista is alot more stable. If you get an error on XP, it will BSOD no questions asked. Vista doesn't commit a crash dump, it gives you the option to close the program. Something along those lines anyway.

yea I luv my sig lol

did I ever say I made that to make friends lol

PC eye · 11-25-2007, 06:51 AM

Well it started off as a poll for XP and Vista with people offering their own pros and cons about the two versions of Windows but somewhere along the line... "you have now entered the Twilight Zone! ...".

funkysnair · 11-25-2007, 03:20 PM

yeh its funny how it all starts to get a bit hot tempered after a while

personaly i couldnt give a toss what people think is the best os, ive used xp for years now i use vista.

havnt seen a blue screen yet or a screen freeze so im happy

shadowbt · 11-25-2007, 06:06 PM

XP was unstable at its beginnings, it was then stuffed with patches and updates, why would it change for Vista? For now XP owns Vista, but eventually Vista will be full of patches and will be better.

tlarkin · 11-25-2007, 06:36 PM

OK, can we at least try to use full sentences with correct grammar? I really hate text message talk a lot. I think it makes all you younger kids who use it look uneducated. I mean most of you on this forum are privileged, and therefore should at least utilize your education.

For one, my XP machine never crashes. I don't know how you all say that the new crash reporter feature in vista is so awesome. I play HL2, BF2, Doom 3, and some older games on my machine fine with XP. I get around 40 fps on moderate settings. My gaming rig is a bit old, and I am going to upgrade it after the new year. I am waiting for the newest line of video cards to come out. I build a high end PC every 3 years or so, sometimes 4 years. For what I want it to do, it performs fine. I also have 4 Mac desktops and a Macbook pro that would eat most PCs for lunch.

A lot of you just sit there and quote benchmarks all the time. You spend lots of money on SLI and put your hard drives in RAID 0. However, a lot of you don't really know or grasp the concept of what the technologies are used for, and on top of that SLI is a marketing scheme for the most part. This all goes back to quoting benchmarks. Benchmarks are a good way to stress test a system but do not reflect on its real world performance. 1500 point difference in 3D mark really does not mean your system is way better when it is over clocked, SLI, or in RAID 0. It just means that it performed better with simple stress tests. The video card tests do reflect on how good a video card is for gaming. However, if you are a casual gamer then that does not really apply to you, and if you don't game it is totally not applicable at all. Most of the people on this forum that are gamers go solely off benchmarks, and the hardware companies cater to that niche market. They make over clock kits, SLI, and even make cases and hardware specified towards gamers. Over clocked RAM has cause some issues in my experiences. It has caused bottle necks, and it is less stable because it is over clocked. You do not want your system paging instruction sets from unstable RAM. However, the companies market towards those gamer crowds and everyone buys into it.

Vista is a piece of crap operating system. For all the years that went into it and the costs of upgrades it really sucks. It feels clunky, and unintuitive. I have to drill down into countless control panels to find something I want to enabled or disable in the Operating system. We were promised no more registry, and we still have it, EFI support, but didn't get it. Support for newer and better file systems, and we didn't get it. All those promised features that would make Vista next gen are getting pushed over into Vienna.

How can I qualify and quantify my knowledge? Experience, is the answer. I can spit out all the certifications I have, but ultimately anyone can get certified, it just takes studying and some money for the tests. However, I have been in the field long enough and worked with enough variety of hardware, software, OSes, networking technology, etc that I can definitely back up everything I say with experience first hand. I am not saying I know everything, far from it. In fact right now I am learning a lot about web services, directory services, and other server side network technologies. I have to google every day at work to figure some things out.

So, lets try to have an actual conversation, or debate even on why you think it is better. Stop saying people are noobs, stop being arrogant because no one cares how cool you are on the internet. Everyone had to start out somewhere, and everyone had to learn at some point. Lets also at least try to act educated. A lot of you will dump into the IT field probably. If you use text message words in your emails to your boss, you will most likely be told to stop and if you continue you could probably get fired for looking dumb.

PC eye · 11-26-2007, 04:09 AM

I have to differ on the part about XP not crashing. But yoiu'll find that the crash control method used in Vista does work better overall from running the exact same games on the identical hardwares and seeing XP lock while Vista will allow the exit to either shutdown, return to the effected program, or return to the desktop.

Vista sadly does lack in things like adding and removing Windows components like WMP, IE, and others while previous versions allowed that option. The gadgets and side bar were minor annoyances disabled to see still see a Classic Windows theme at least.

The Super Prefetch feature comes enabled in Vista while in XP with SP2 you had to manually perform a registry edit to enable the program standby feature. One plus for Vista there.

As far as SLI that's a debate for another thread there. I keep hearing the argument that SLI is so much better from some when pointing the actual waste of financial resources when it doesn't see any performance gains. I'll have to pm you on that one.

epidemik · 11-26-2007, 04:38 AM

You guys are all noob.
My windows 95 works like a charm.

EDIT JK, im on xp, just cause thats all i can run.

patrickv · 11-26-2007, 04:41 AM

i haven't seen any BSOD on vista yet, but i got some freezing problem. (laptop)
I have no idea why but it seems that everytime i play around with the sidebar it either stops responding or goes black, so i have to exit it, aside from that no problems at all.
Vista for now i can say is BASIC, until those SP's comes out, it will be better

View Poll Results: XP or Vista
Windows XP	47	58.75%
Windows Vista	33	41.25%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

11-25-2007, 06:51 AM	#144 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,482	Well it started off as a poll for XP and Vista with people offering their own pros and cons about the two versions of Windows but somewhere along the line... "you have now entered the Twilight Zone! ...". __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Interesting Question?! Stranglehold "Does it have to be a Athlon. Zipzoomfly still sells some Sempron Socket As" PC eye "How is any Socket A Sempron going to fit on a Slot A board?" http://www.computerforum.com/137126-...-slot-cpu.html

11-25-2007, 03:20 PM	#145 (permalink)
funkysnair Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newcastle-England-uk Age: 26 Posts: 1,469	yeh its funny how it all starts to get a bit hot tempered after a while personaly i couldnt give a toss what people think is the best os, ive used xp for years now i use vista. havnt seen a blue screen yet or a screen freeze so im happy __________________ q6600@3.2ghz-asus p5k pro-4x1gig 1066mhz ballistix- raptor 74gig-maxitor 500gig-gainward hd4850- thermaltake tr2 550watt-sony/nec dvd rw- antec900 (liquid cooled mod)-swiftech pump/rad- 2x"19 widescreen acer monitors

11-25-2007, 06:06 PM	#146 (permalink)
shadowbt Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 130	XP was unstable at its beginnings, it was then stuffed with patches and updates, why would it change for Vista? For now XP owns Vista, but eventually Vista will be full of patches and will be better. __________________ Future Build: Case : NZXT Apollo ATX Tower Case - Burnt Orange CPU : Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 RAM : OCZ Platinum XTC 2GB DDR2-800 Hard Drive : Seagate Barracuda 320GB (7200RPM) DVD Drive : SAMSUNG 20X DVD Burner Graphic Card : NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512 MB Motherboard : Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L PS : StealthXStream 600W Power Supply - OCZ600SXS

11-26-2007, 04:09 AM	#148 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,482	I have to differ on the part about XP not crashing. But yoiu'll find that the crash control method used in Vista does work better overall from running the exact same games on the identical hardwares and seeing XP lock while Vista will allow the exit to either shutdown, return to the effected program, or return to the desktop. Vista sadly does lack in things like adding and removing Windows components like WMP, IE, and others while previous versions allowed that option. The gadgets and side bar were minor annoyances disabled to see still see a Classic Windows theme at least. The Super Prefetch feature comes enabled in Vista while in XP with SP2 you had to manually perform a registry edit to enable the program standby feature. One plus for Vista there. As far as SLI that's a debate for another thread there. I keep hearing the argument that SLI is so much better from some when pointing the actual waste of financial resources when it doesn't see any performance gains. I'll have to pm you on that one. __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Interesting Question?! Stranglehold "Does it have to be a Athlon. Zipzoomfly still sells some Sempron Socket As" PC eye "How is any Socket A Sempron going to fit on a Slot A board?" http://www.computerforum.com/137126-...-slot-cpu.html

11-25-2007, 06:36 PM	#147 (permalink)
tlarkin VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 7,009	OK, can we at least try to use full sentences with correct grammar? I really hate text message talk a lot. I think it makes all you younger kids who use it look uneducated. I mean most of you on this forum are privileged, and therefore should at least utilize your education. For one, my XP machine never crashes. I don't know how you all say that the new crash reporter feature in vista is so awesome. I play HL2, BF2, Doom 3, and some older games on my machine fine with XP. I get around 40 fps on moderate settings. My gaming rig is a bit old, and I am going to upgrade it after the new year. I am waiting for the newest line of video cards to come out. I build a high end PC every 3 years or so, sometimes 4 years. For what I want it to do, it performs fine. I also have 4 Mac desktops and a Macbook pro that would eat most PCs for lunch. A lot of you just sit there and quote benchmarks all the time. You spend lots of money on SLI and put your hard drives in RAID 0. However, a lot of you don't really know or grasp the concept of what the technologies are used for, and on top of that SLI is a marketing scheme for the most part. This all goes back to quoting benchmarks. Benchmarks are a good way to stress test a system but do not reflect on its real world performance. 1500 point difference in 3D mark really does not mean your system is way better when it is over clocked, SLI, or in RAID 0. It just means that it performed better with simple stress tests. The video card tests do reflect on how good a video card is for gaming. However, if you are a casual gamer then that does not really apply to you, and if you don't game it is totally not applicable at all. Most of the people on this forum that are gamers go solely off benchmarks, and the hardware companies cater to that niche market. They make over clock kits, SLI, and even make cases and hardware specified towards gamers. Over clocked RAM has cause some issues in my experiences. It has caused bottle necks, and it is less stable because it is over clocked. You do not want your system paging instruction sets from unstable RAM. However, the companies market towards those gamer crowds and everyone buys into it. Vista is a piece of crap operating system. For all the years that went into it and the costs of upgrades it really sucks. It feels clunky, and unintuitive. I have to drill down into countless control panels to find something I want to enabled or disable in the Operating system. We were promised no more registry, and we still have it, EFI support, but didn't get it. Support for newer and better file systems, and we didn't get it. All those promised features that would make Vista next gen are getting pushed over into Vienna. How can I qualify and quantify my knowledge? Experience, is the answer. I can spit out all the certifications I have, but ultimately anyone can get certified, it just takes studying and some money for the tests. However, I have been in the field long enough and worked with enough variety of hardware, software, OSes, networking technology, etc that I can definitely back up everything I say with experience first hand. I am not saying I know everything, far from it. In fact right now I am learning a lot about web services, directory services, and other server side network technologies. I have to google every day at work to figure some things out. So, lets try to have an actual conversation, or debate even on why you think it is better. Stop saying people are noobs, stop being arrogant because no one cares how cool you are on the internet. Everyone had to start out somewhere, and everyone had to learn at some point. Lets also at least try to act educated. A lot of you will dump into the IT field probably. If you use text message words in your emails to your boss, you will most likely be told to stop and if you continue you could probably get fired for looking dumb.

11-26-2007, 04:38 AM	#149 (permalink)
epidemik Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ashland Oregon Age: 17 Posts: 2,664	You guys are all noob. My windows 95 works like a charm. EDIT JK, im on xp, just cause thats all i can run. __________________ E7200 Sapphire HD4850 OCZ Platinum 2GB RAM Western Digital 320GB HD LITEON DVD Burner OCZ 600W SXS CF xFire Group: Click Here Then PM Me If You Apply

11-26-2007, 04:41 AM	#150 (permalink)
patrickv Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Soul Chamber Posts: 5,780	i haven't seen any BSOD on vista yet, but i got some freezing problem. (laptop) I have no idea why but it seems that everytime i play around with the sidebar it either stops responding or goes black, so i have to exit it, aside from that no problems at all. Vista for now i can say is BASIC, until those SP's comes out, it will be better __________________ Laptop: Thinkpad X60: Core2Duo T7200 @ 2Ghz,1GB DDR2,120GB SATA -winXP ProSP3 Work:CoreDuo E2180 @ 2Ghz,1.5GB DDR2,240GB Sata II HD - XP PRO SP3 Broken: Dell Optiplex 210L @ 2.8ghz P4HT,512MB DDR2 533, 80GB HD- OSX 10.5.2

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