XP or Vista

Motoxrdude · 11-26-2007, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tlarkin

That is a great point, which relates to what I am saying. Windows is a huge let down because of what developers have to do, and how windows functions as an operating system. When you allow every developer and their dog access to the kernel you are asking for security flaws, and people write sloppy code. I mean ever try to write a script? Did you always use full command paths? Sometimes I don't because I can't remember where everything lives and I am too lazy to use the whereis command for every command I want to look up.

The market is changing though, and it will change over the next few years. I think you will see Macs gain market share and Microsoft will lose desktops to Linux as well. However, Microsoft will still have a very strong market in the server side technology. Active Directory is not a bad thing, it is just hard to get to properly work with third party. Once all other clients become more compatible with Windows Server products I think you will see a huge market shift. I already know some places around town where I live that have in the last two years switched over to a 50:50 Mac/PC environment.

Yes, anyone can change the kernal, but it won't make it into an official release unless approved by the majority of well-known kernal developers.

tlarkin · 11-26-2007, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Motoxrdude

Yes, anyone can change the kernal, but it won't make it into an official release unless approved by the majority of well-known kernal developers.

No, I am saying that by design, Windows allows third parties access to the OS's kernel hooks. Which is a huge security flaw by design. Windows is a closed kernel, and only MS developers work on it. However, they give developers like symantec and Macafee access to their kernel hooks so their applications can access the Windows Kernel. Which is why you see so many exploits and viruses for Windows, they don't need to run as root or admin if they can just access the kernel hooks.

Jabes · 11-26-2007, 06:52 AM

wow I have better things to do then read dumb posts ^^^^^^ tlarkins

Motoxrdude · 11-26-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tlarkin

No, I am saying that by design, Windows allows third parties access to the OS's kernel hooks. Which is a huge security flaw by design. Windows is a closed kernel, and only MS developers work on it. However, they give developers like symantec and Macafee access to their kernel hooks so their applications can access the Windows Kernel. Which is why you see so many exploits and viruses for Windows, they don't need to run as root or admin if they can just access the kernel hooks.

Yeah, it can go both ways, don't give them access then you can't do anything when virus's embed themselves in it, but make it easier on viruses to get into the kernal. Don't allow access, makes it harder to get access to the kernal, but impossible to remove once embedded.

**mep916** · 11-26-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jabes

wow I have better things to do then read dumb posts ^^^^^^ tlarkins

That's a very immature and stupid comment. No offense.

PC eye · 11-26-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mep916

That's a very immature and stupid comment. No offense.

I'm forced to agree with Jabes there. After reading over the last two pages it sounds like a school yard brawl rather then a poll on strictly two versions of Windows.

**mep916** · 11-26-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

I'm forced to agree with Jabes there. After reading over the last two pages it sounds like a school yard brawl rather then a poll on strictly two versions of Windows.

Albeit heated, it's been a very good debate, IMO. Discussing the differences between the two operating systems' is germane to the poll, and w/ a few exceptions, the comments have been relatively peaceful.

PC eye · 11-26-2007, 08:17 AM

The introduction of Linux and OS X, Apple/Mac etc. along with XP and Vista should be saved for a poll on OSs in general like one some time back. We're trying to share notes on what we are finding as far as pros and cons with XP and Vista in that sense. You can sure it took some time before many looked at XP as the option to 98SE some years back. Likewise the hesitation for any new version is common regardless of improvements or hinderences.

**mep916** · 11-26-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

The introduction of Linux and OS X, Apple/Mac etc. along with XP and Vista should be saved for a poll on OSs in general like one some time back. We're trying to share notes on what we are finding as far as pros and cons with XP and Vista in that sense.

Yeah, discussion about OSX and Linux don't really belong in this thread. I see your point.

PC eye · 11-26-2007, 09:25 AM

And now for the latest update on the poll's results:

XP = 42 count = 61.76%

Vista = 26 count = 38.24%

There was one or more OS threads seen while maybe we should poll who first went for XP over a previous version sometime to see how it was looked at then. Likewise Vista is getting it's own mixed reviews depending on user.

View Poll Results: XP or Vista
Windows XP	47	58.75%
Windows Vista	33	41.25%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

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PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,483	The introduction of Linux and OS X, Apple/Mac etc. along with XP and Vista should be saved for a poll on OSs in general like one some time back. We're trying to share notes on what we are finding as far as pros and cons with XP and Vista in that sense. You can sure it took some time before many looked at XP as the option to 98SE some years back. Likewise the hesitation for any new version is common regardless of improvements or hinderences. __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Interesting Question?! Stranglehold "Does it have to be a Athlon. Zipzoomfly still sells some Sempron Socket As" PC eye "How is any Socket A Sempron going to fit on a Slot A board?" http://www.computerforum.com/137126-...-slot-cpu.html

11-26-2007, 09:25 AM	#170 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,483	And now for the latest update on the poll's results: XP = 42 count = 61.76% Vista = 26 count = 38.24% There was one or more OS threads seen while maybe we should poll who first went for XP over a previous version sometime to see how it was looked at then. Likewise Vista is getting it's own mixed reviews depending on user. __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Interesting Question?! Stranglehold "Does it have to be a Athlon. Zipzoomfly still sells some Sempron Socket As" PC eye "How is any Socket A Sempron going to fit on a Slot A board?" http://www.computerforum.com/137126-...-slot-cpu.html

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