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Old 11-27-2007, 01:39 AM   #241 (permalink)
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I did a lot of research before I decided to buy a new PC with a Vista OS. Even though the majority bash it, I really like it. Now I have Vista and 2 Gigs, works wonderfully and all of my proggies save one work with Vista. I am even using a photo editing program that I got 8 years ago and it works fine. All my hardware and peripherals work just as well with Vista as they did with my XP and 1 Gig.

Vista runs slow because of Superfetch and all the little things it does automatically so you don't have to think about them, like defragging and such. There are numerous tweaks you can use to make Vista's performance better and faster.

One quick note, as it's been touched on in another thread (or it may have been this one) putting 4 Gigs in a 32 bit won't do you any good at all. Here's a link to the explanation ... http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html
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I was not gaming on this machine, not editing video or audio, just basic things. Office productivity, web surfing, small time scripting and maybe some DVD and audio play back. Nothing that any OS couldn't handle with just 1 gig of RAM, with the exception that Vista performed the poorest. I never really got above using 1 gig of RAM and your system does not slow down until you use up all your RAM and then it has to start paging virtual memory to make up for the RAM you don't have. So, having anything over 2 gigs of RAM does not help me.
actually, most OSs (vista included) use a paging file even when there IS ram still available.
currently my PC has 2.2gb of paged stuff while its only using 2gb of my 5gb of ram.



and that average user is the one who thinks vista is to blame for all there trouble when they don't know how to upgrade there pc and don't know about ram. which takes us alllll the way back to the post about vista sales and negative publicity.
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you see, like you with reading stuff, i too went that path. i went threw the Microsoft Systems Engineer certification courses. what i have found is that what the books tell you IS NOT what will most often happen in real life situations.

in fact, you will most often learn completely different things via real life trial and error then the books will tell you.
so, I suggest you actually try testing stuff before claiming it as truth.
This we completely agree on. I remember one question (i think internet security) on the MCSE was: (something like this)

You have two separate subnets sharing internet connections, what is the best way to accomplish secure internet access?

The choices were a bunch of different options, but the correct answer was to build an ISA server. Anyone with half a brain knows that a good decent router can accomplish everything an ISA server can, and is ultimately easier to maintain and cheaper.

I am not regurgitating anything from any certification test, training course or anything. I am just explaining how memory works on a basic level, and that in your case you were probably using more than 1 gig of RAM and in my case the system was minimal and did minimal things and never really went over 1 gig of RAM usage, so your theory of adding more RAM would not have helped my situation is all I am saying. What I described is not specific to any OS, it is specific to how memory works on the a basic level. Every OS uses those same concepts to utilize system memory. There are of course a few differences in how each OS approaches it. Like Linux likes to use swap partitions for virtual memory instead of the root partition, otherwise they all function the same way.

Having been in the field for over 8 years I can attest and agree with you 100% you can't learn how to really do much in the IT field from a book or a class and that experience is the best teacher. Trust me, I have broken and crashed enough things in my time to learn a lot. Because really you learn more from failure than you do success.
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yes, but have you actually tested that ram process?

have you actually tested having 2gb of ram even when you wont be using more then 1gb?

keep in mind that just because its a web browser, doesn't mean it wont use alot of ram. my firefox despite only being here, is using 200mb of ram. 1 firefox along with vista + aero, sidebar (which will easily use a few hundred mb depending on whats in it), plus other things in vista (listed by intelcrazy on page 24) will easily exceed 1gb of used ram.
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Gee? with all these pages the tally for the poll hasn't seen much change since 3:25AM. Let's see where it stands at the present moment.

XP = count = 45 = 59.21%

Vista = count = 31 = 40.79%

It would seem Vista has edged a little in the last 16hrs. by 2%.
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How does that benefit the end user? I am talking about the end user, the average person who uses a computer.

None of those things really benefit an end user, they benefit the power users or the IT/Enterprise users.

You think your average joe is going to watch the stability monitor, or the crash reporter, or look into using NAP at home? Or perhaps the average user will encrypt their file system? The average user can't even back up their own data, remember their passwords, or figure out how to fully use an email/calendar system. I can't tell you how many passwords I reset every day at work.

None of those things really benefit anyone, because any advanced user is going to use more powerful third party apps, and the basic users aren't going to use any of that crap.

So, again, how does this benefit the end user?
Sure they do... Did you miss Windows Update?

You know what, I have made my point to ppl who can understand it... You are now trying to be jerk.. I have nothing for you, if you want to make everything complicated, go get on one of those nerdier forums that you spend time on anyway... God forbid EFI support, whatever the Hell it does, I won't use it... I looked it up when you started whining about that crap and if it has to do with Itanium server platforms, I am pretty friggin' sure that it won't be for your beloved end-user..
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Sure they do... Did you miss Windows Update?

You know what, I have made my point to ppl who can understand it... You are now trying to be jerk.. I have nothing for you, if you want to make everything complicated, go get on one of those nerdier forums that you spend time on anyway... God forbid EFI support, whatever the Hell it does, I won't use it... I looked it up when you started whining about that crap and if it has to do with Itanium server platforms, I am pretty friggin' sure that it won't be for your beloved end-user..
hahaha

EFI - extensible firmware interface, look it up, its actually really cool and will revolutionize hardware and do tons for gaming. It allows a more robust answer to drivers and hardware support via firmware level driven applications. It also allows for no such thing as a driver, it will all be contained in the hardware. No more boot sectors, the OS can be held on a flash drive on the motherboard and the HD is just for data.

Also, all you have to do to keep up is spend a few minutes on digg and slashdot every day, plus I am constantly researching stuff for work, its just the nature of the beast.
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Gee? with all these pages the tally for the poll hasn't seen much change since 3:25AM. Let's see where it stands at the present moment.

XP = count = 45 = 59.21%

Vista = count = 31 = 40.79%

It would seem Vista has edged a little in the last 16hrs. by 2%.
LOL - It seems that Vista isn't the monster it's made out to be
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vista reigns supreme. even more so once SP1 is released in 1st quarter 08
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hahaha

EFI - extensible firmware interface, look it up, its actually really cool and will revolutionize hardware and do tons for gaming. It allows a more robust answer to drivers and hardware support via firmware level driven applications. It also allows for no such thing as a driver, it will all be contained in the hardware. No more boot sectors, the OS can be held on a flash drive on the motherboard and the HD is just for data.

Also, all you have to do to keep up is spend a few minutes on digg and slashdot every day, plus I am constantly researching stuff for work, its just the nature of the beast.
Too early for that crap...
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