Win XP Setup Boot Disk

PC eye · 01-19-2008, 01:27 AM

Being that new over some old I286 flat top model you should see the boot order section in the bios setup itself. By default many older systems see floppy, hard drive, cd rom, and ??? last like lan or card reader. You simply set the cd rom as first with hard drive as second and disable the remaining.

Or if there's a boot device menu found with an F key assigned like DEL is generally for entering the bios you can set the hard drive as first and simply press the assigned F key to boot from the installation disk. That saves going back and forth into the bios as well as eliminating the awkward floppy method.

johnny · 01-19-2008, 05:30 PM

I'm going to try that PC eye and see what happens. I actually spoke to a guy in one of my classes and he said he believes he has a copy of Windows 98, and he said I could borrow it if he finds it. So I'm going to be getting the disks on Monday aftenoon and I'm gonna take it from there and try XP Pro and 98. Hopefully something will work, my cousins said if it doesn't then they are going to just buy a new computer like a refurbished one or even a cheap new one.

PC eye · 01-20-2008, 03:00 AM

With 98 on you can easily run the setup for the upgrade to XP fast enough but see that go onto a Fat32 primary rather then the NTFS native to XP. One article seen some time back explained how to convert Fat32 to the NTFS file system while still preferring the native by choice.

Drivers for XP will be another item once installed to consider. On many old system geared for 98 or NT XP drivers were never released. Old 98 prebuilds would see only 64mb of memory at times! XP will need 128mb to start and a cpu starting at 900mhz just for beginners. That will still be a slow boat!

johnny · 01-20-2008, 06:53 AM

I have a lot of faith in old realiable. Like my old desktop was running XP Pro with a AMD K6 II @ 367Mhz and 192MB RAM, at one point it was running it with 64MB RAM.

The other thing that probably screwed up the system was my cousins husband said to convert it to NTFS from FAT, cause he said that he remembers seeing it as that and to push it to change to it, when doing the upgrade 2k.

PC eye · 01-20-2008, 07:15 AM

I had the link on that recently when a friend simply upgraded an old 98 drive he threw into a new build and installed XP right away without thinking. He ran XP on the old Fat32 primary for about 2yrs. then. Lately when the drive quit the larger drive used for storage then saw a clean install of XP with NTFS now being run.

There I simply was able to first use GParted and the original XP disk by booting from those. XP without anyything installed could barely run on 64mb of memory for just the basics as you found out. Once you installed a few things... oops! 128mb or more then.

johnny · 01-26-2008, 04:20 AM

Just a quick update.

I got a win98 recovery disk from a guy in my personal finance class, ir did nothing. I used the XP Pro boot disk, they did nothing. Prior to this we had a conversation saying if I could get it up and running then fine, if not they are going to go and get a new one tomorrow from this place I sent them. It wouldn't read my cd or my floppy. So I got pissed and I went into the BIOS to check everything. There was no optionfor Advanced CMOS or anything so I just went through evey option and found the boot sequence under BIOS setup. Thats where it was set to boot only from C drive. Which I don't understand why the tech who installed the new hdd and the clean install of win98 would set it to boot only from C drive. So I set it to boot from A>D>C, and then it picked up my disk and I removed the semi install of win2k and whatever was left of win98.

Windows installed installed smoothly and is running great. I actually found out that there was 8GB hard drive insead of 4GB, I know its not a lot of space but its better then installing windows on a 4GB hdd. So now the computer runs fine.

They are still planning on getting a new desktop. Basically they said just to try to get it up and going, at least temporarily, and they will pick up a new system in a bit.

So thanks everyone for you input I really appreciate it.

PC eye · 01-26-2008, 04:55 AM

The method of setting only one boot device once a system is OSed is simple. That keeps the boot time down since you are only needing the hard drive.

For newer boards the option of a separate boot device menu leaving the hard drive set as default and even only device in the bios boot order saves time when installing Windows by simply bringing that up to choose the optical drive from the list of drives installed. Once the system restarts for the first time the there's no need to go into the bios to change the boot order like previously done for booting up from the installation disk.

johnny · 01-27-2008, 01:29 AM

Personally, I don't there any need to change the boot sequence to only C drive, especially after installing windows, unless it takes like 1/2 hour to boot up. But if takes only an extra 30 seconds to boot up then I can wait the time.

PC eye · 01-27-2008, 04:18 AM

With XP you can also speed up the process by editing the time for display generally 30 seconds in the boot.ini file there. You change that to as low as 2 seconds.

Dual booting, multi booting, and now simply running two stand alone OSs I simplly set the default hard drive as the single device and press the F8 key to boot into the other by then selecting the drive it's on. No more going back and forth into the bios to reset the boot order to either load the other version or when going to install the OS there.

01-19-2008, 01:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,287	Being that new over some old I286 flat top model you should see the boot order section in the bios setup itself. By default many older systems see floppy, hard drive, cd rom, and ??? last like lan or card reader. You simply set the cd rom as first with hard drive as second and disable the remaining. Or if there's a boot device menu found with an F key assigned like DEL is generally for entering the bios you can set the hard drive as first and simply press the assigned F key to boot from the installation disk. That saves going back and forth into the bios as well as eliminating the awkward floppy method. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

01-19-2008, 05:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
johnny Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 18 Posts: 241	I'm going to try that PC eye and see what happens. I actually spoke to a guy in one of my classes and he said he believes he has a copy of Windows 98, and he said I could borrow it if he finds it. So I'm going to be getting the disks on Monday aftenoon and I'm gonna take it from there and try XP Pro and 98. Hopefully something will work, my cousins said if it doesn't then they are going to just buy a new computer like a refurbished one or even a cheap new one. __________________ Windows Vista Ultimate Xion Solaris Black/Green Mid ATX Case w/Neon Glow Intel 975XBX2KR Intel Socket 775 ATX -Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Kingston Dual Channel HyperX 2048MB DDR2 800MHz Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA Hard Drive BFG GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-E Dual DVI/HDTV/HDCP Enabled Video Card Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCI Sound Card Sony DVD Burner and Sony 1.44 MB Floppy Drive 24" Samsung LCD TV/Monitor

01-20-2008, 03:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,287	With 98 on you can easily run the setup for the upgrade to XP fast enough but see that go onto a Fat32 primary rather then the NTFS native to XP. One article seen some time back explained how to convert Fat32 to the NTFS file system while still preferring the native by choice. Drivers for XP will be another item once installed to consider. On many old system geared for 98 or NT XP drivers were never released. Old 98 prebuilds would see only 64mb of memory at times! XP will need 128mb to start and a cpu starting at 900mhz just for beginners. That will still be a slow boat! __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

01-20-2008, 06:53 AM	#14 (permalink)
johnny Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 18 Posts: 241	I have a lot of faith in old realiable. Like my old desktop was running XP Pro with a AMD K6 II @ 367Mhz and 192MB RAM, at one point it was running it with 64MB RAM. The other thing that probably screwed up the system was my cousins husband said to convert it to NTFS from FAT, cause he said that he remembers seeing it as that and to push it to change to it, when doing the upgrade 2k. __________________ Windows Vista Ultimate Xion Solaris Black/Green Mid ATX Case w/Neon Glow Intel 975XBX2KR Intel Socket 775 ATX -Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Kingston Dual Channel HyperX 2048MB DDR2 800MHz Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA Hard Drive BFG GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-E Dual DVI/HDTV/HDCP Enabled Video Card Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCI Sound Card Sony DVD Burner and Sony 1.44 MB Floppy Drive 24" Samsung LCD TV/Monitor

01-20-2008, 07:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,287	I had the link on that recently when a friend simply upgraded an old 98 drive he threw into a new build and installed XP right away without thinking. He ran XP on the old Fat32 primary for about 2yrs. then. Lately when the drive quit the larger drive used for storage then saw a clean install of XP with NTFS now being run. There I simply was able to first use GParted and the original XP disk by booting from those. XP without anyything installed could barely run on 64mb of memory for just the basics as you found out. Once you installed a few things... oops! 128mb or more then. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

01-26-2008, 04:20 AM	#16 (permalink)
johnny Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 18 Posts: 241	Just a quick update. I got a win98 recovery disk from a guy in my personal finance class, ir did nothing. I used the XP Pro boot disk, they did nothing. Prior to this we had a conversation saying if I could get it up and running then fine, if not they are going to go and get a new one tomorrow from this place I sent them. It wouldn't read my cd or my floppy. So I got pissed and I went into the BIOS to check everything. There was no optionfor Advanced CMOS or anything so I just went through evey option and found the boot sequence under BIOS setup. Thats where it was set to boot only from C drive. Which I don't understand why the tech who installed the new hdd and the clean install of win98 would set it to boot only from C drive. So I set it to boot from A>D>C, and then it picked up my disk and I removed the semi install of win2k and whatever was left of win98. Windows installed installed smoothly and is running great. I actually found out that there was 8GB hard drive insead of 4GB, I know its not a lot of space but its better then installing windows on a 4GB hdd. So now the computer runs fine. They are still planning on getting a new desktop. Basically they said just to try to get it up and going, at least temporarily, and they will pick up a new system in a bit. So thanks everyone for you input I really appreciate it. __________________ Windows Vista Ultimate Xion Solaris Black/Green Mid ATX Case w/Neon Glow Intel 975XBX2KR Intel Socket 775 ATX -Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Kingston Dual Channel HyperX 2048MB DDR2 800MHz Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA Hard Drive BFG GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-E Dual DVI/HDTV/HDCP Enabled Video Card Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCI Sound Card Sony DVD Burner and Sony 1.44 MB Floppy Drive 24" Samsung LCD TV/Monitor

01-26-2008, 04:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,287	The method of setting only one boot device once a system is OSed is simple. That keeps the boot time down since you are only needing the hard drive. For newer boards the option of a separate boot device menu leaving the hard drive set as default and even only device in the bios boot order saves time when installing Windows by simply bringing that up to choose the optical drive from the list of drives installed. Once the system restarts for the first time the there's no need to go into the bios to change the boot order like previously done for booting up from the installation disk. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

01-27-2008, 01:29 AM	#18 (permalink)
johnny Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 18 Posts: 241	Personally, I don't there any need to change the boot sequence to only C drive, especially after installing windows, unless it takes like 1/2 hour to boot up. But if takes only an extra 30 seconds to boot up then I can wait the time. __________________ Windows Vista Ultimate Xion Solaris Black/Green Mid ATX Case w/Neon Glow Intel 975XBX2KR Intel Socket 775 ATX -Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Kingston Dual Channel HyperX 2048MB DDR2 800MHz Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA Hard Drive BFG GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-E Dual DVI/HDTV/HDCP Enabled Video Card Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCI Sound Card Sony DVD Burner and Sony 1.44 MB Floppy Drive 24" Samsung LCD TV/Monitor

01-27-2008, 04:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,287	With XP you can also speed up the process by editing the time for display generally 30 seconds in the boot.ini file there. You change that to as low as 2 seconds. Dual booting, multi booting, and now simply running two stand alone OSs I simplly set the default hard drive as the single device and press the F8 key to boot into the other by then selecting the drive it's on. No more going back and forth into the bios to reset the boot order to either load the other version or when going to install the OS there. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

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