Mac?

makmillion · 01-28-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by g4m3rof1337

What?

You cant compare PC's and Mac's in the category of gaming. PC is more involved in that category. And plus, majority of the Mac users don't game, so they are more prone to go to Mac. And Linux, is for a more advanced version of the average PC user.

That's not true at all.

How is Linux superior (more advanced) when you can't use any of the popular programs on it? You can't game, you can't use Adobe products (very important!), and driver support isn't that great.. not to mention the other plethora of software related issues seen with Linux distros.

I guess one way it's better is it can't catch a virus as easily as Windows.. but, hey, if more people used Linux, I guarantee more people would work on creating viruses that were Linux based.

Don't get me wrong, I like Linux.. I run Ubuntu (soon to be Kubuntu) on one of my machines.. but I, along with just about everybody else I'm sure, need Windows to do even the smallest of projects because of the lack of Linux support with mainstream programs.

-mak

PS: The Gimp and OpenOffice.org are not acceptable replacements for Photoshop and Microsoft Office.. whoever started this rumor, is an idiot.

imsati · 01-28-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brian

the war aganced the os'es. i think windows is better as 95% of the population will say, 3.5 will say mac and the rest will say linux. it is really a personal choice

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imsati · 01-28-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BluePlum

LEts see shall we. PC = Personal computer. And A mac isnt a PC? why not? its a Personal Computer. And Why dont they refer to and IPod as Mp3? ZZZZZZZZZ

Here we go...

In today's market, a 'PC' is most-often identified as a Windows-based system. It's been like that since at least the early 90's (and probably late 80's). Since the debut of the Macintosh, systems running Apple software have generally been referred to as 'Macs'.

'MP3' refers to a software format; 'Ipod' is the name of a piece of hardware. I fail to see how any of the above post makes sense. Am I missing something?

Your quote of "OMG WHY ARE U MAC AND LINUX USERS SO UP YOURSELF?" in response to:

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You cant compare PC's and Mac's in the category of gaming. PC is more involved in that category. And plus, majority of the Mac users don't game, so they are more prone to go to Mac. And Linux, is for a more advanced version of the average PC user.

is just plain childish, but, honestly, most of the Forum has probably come to expect that of you. While Linux is becoming easier for non-advanced computer users, it's still not a direct replacement for the masses as the majority of folks are addicted to Windows and don't even realize it. Therefore, a certain know-how and sense of direction among figuring out software issues comes into play, and that's not something everyone is capable of doing. It's not always a 'click this and Apply' solution, often it's manually editing system parameters. Once you become familiar with it, it's rather easy, just a different kind of easy.

Makmillion, I hate to pull you deeper into this, and I'm not trying to start anything, so please don't take offense, but you somewhat proved this point in your last Post. Driver support is light years from where it was just 18 months ago, and there are versions of Adobe available for most Distros. You mentioned specifically needing Windows for most projects, but that is because you just aren't aware of certain replacement Open Source programs out there. If you need suggestions Linux-equivalent programs you can use, please feel free to PM me and I'll help any way I can.

makmillion · 01-28-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by imsati

Makmillion, I hate to pull you deeper into this, and I'm not trying to start anything, so please don't take offense, but you somewhat proved this point in your last Post. Driver support is light years from where it was just 18 months ago, and there are versions of Adobe available for most Distros. You mentioned specifically needing Windows for most projects, but that is because you just aren't aware of certain replacement Open Source programs out there. If you need suggestions Linux-equivalent programs you can use, please feel free to PM me and I'll help any way I can.

I'm fully aware of replacements for applications I normally use, however, they're not acceptable in my eyes.. the biggest issue I had was with Photoshop replacements.

For Photoshop, I've tried The Gimp, Pixel, transformation packages to make Gimp 'feel more like Photoshop', VMWare booting XP to us Photoshop, WINE for Photoshop (doesn't work well, CS3 is out of the loop.. CS2 is buggy, CS doesn't work either.. sad).. and a few other tricks that didn't work either.

Thunderbird was a nice replacement for Windows Mail 7+, until I realized that, even after adding my outgoing mail settings for each account, I could only send mail using the default account.. what a waste. I also tried Evolution Mail, which is horrid if you ask me.. the layout is shabby and unorganized.

There are a load of other applications I use and found some sort of a replacement for but didn't find them acceptable either.

Drivers are built and released all of the time, but the drivers available for Linux are simply unacceptable for my use.. and useless if you're getting them for your video card, since you can't game in Linux anyways.. even if it is 18 months later and a huge progress has been made, they're still light years behind everyone else.. I can forgive Linux for this one, since most of the drivers are built by the average Joe.

Linux isn't superior to Windows.. they're two different operating systems that either cannot be compared (since most applications aren't available for both of them), or can be compared and Linux loses for the lack of support for the major applications.

-mak

PS: I don't mean to be construed as a Windows Fanboy here, because I'm not.. in fact, I would love to switch to Linux as an full-time OS.. but the lack of support for applications I need to use is stopping me. This is the fault of the major corps. who make the applications, but if people made more of a demand for the products, I'm sure they would create versions for Linux (much like Alwil did with Avast).

I'm not dependent on Windows, I would prefer to leave windows and use Linux full-time, as stated earlier, but I need certain applications to work proper before I can.

imsati · 01-28-2008, 05:01 PM

^ Gotcha.

Beatem445 · 01-28-2008, 06:01 PM

Heres what it all comes down to:

Windows- Great for gaming and Adobe products.
Macintosh-Great for creating music, art, etc. but not so good for gaming.
Never even heard of Ubnatu or whatever its called.

makmillion · 01-28-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatem445

Heres what it all comes down to:

Windows- Great for gaming and Adobe products.
Macintosh-Great for creating music, art, etc. but not so good for gaming.
Never even heard of Ubnatu or whatever its called.

Ubuntu is a free Linux distro.. it's been called one of the most user friendly versions, and is based on Debian Linux.

-mak

tlarkin · 01-28-2008, 07:12 PM

Let me shed some light since I have been a system's administrator for Linux, Unix, OS X, and Windows and have been in the field for almost 9 years now.

Windows has a few things going for it that no other OS can really do that well. First and foremost is backwards compatibility. You think Vista is bad at backwards compatibility try using any other OS. Also, executing via double click and no authentication. Sure it is easier but also so much less secure. Windows has the market share because of how they marketed their product to the enterprises back in the 80s and early 90s. Not because they are the best product out there, they are not the best product out there. Long story short, all windows users must run some sort of admin level to run programs and then you have a crap ton of policies and permissions set up to manage them, which is annoying. Secondly, they allow access to the kernel, which is a big no no. Why do you think there are so may viruses and malware/spyware for windows and Internet Explorer? It is because the OS itself allows applications with out any sort of authentication to access the OS's kernel hooks. This means basically any program written to do bad stuff runs and does what it wants with out being checked. Windows by design is the least secure OS made and the most bloated and requires the highest spec of hardware. The plus side is that it is easy to use and since it has a huge market it has most the third party applications. However, quantity does not ever equal quality.

OS X is Unix based (off of Free BSD) so it is a lot more secure at the core of the OS, and currently has ZERO known viruses in the wild for it. You can also run windows on a Mac now, so gaming really isn't a big deal. Install windows and run whatever game you want. Virtual machines are getting better every year. Really, the only down side is a more closed platform which is subjective and lack of gaming support, which is a niche market.

Most gamers don't even realize that elite custom build gaming rigs are really only good for gaming. Also a lot of it has to do with personal preference. If you personally want windows, use it, if you personally want Mac OS X use it, etc. That is not fact or grounds for calling one OS better than the other, it is just a preference.

g4m3rof1337 · 01-28-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by makmillion

That's not true at all.

How is Linux superior (more advanced) when you can't use any of the popular programs on it? You can't game, you can't use Adobe products (very important!), and driver support isn't that great.. not to mention the other plethora of software related issues seen with Linux distros.

I guess one way it's better is it can't catch a virus as easily as Windows.. but, hey, if more people used Linux, I guarantee more people would work on creating viruses that were Linux based.

Don't get me wrong, I like Linux.. I run Ubuntu (soon to be Kubuntu) on one of my machines.. but I, along with just about everybody else I'm sure, need Windows to do even the smallest of projects because of the lack of Linux support with mainstream programs.

-mak

PS: The Gimp and OpenOffice.org are not acceptable replacements for Photoshop and Microsoft Office.. whoever started this rumor, is an idiot.

We may be defining 'a more advanced PC user' wrong.
Linux is not meant to be an upgrade from Windows or Mac. It is for the people who understand it, and can work with it.

01-28-2008, 05:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
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Beatem445 Bronze Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 45	Heres what it all comes down to: Windows- Great for gaming and Adobe products. Macintosh-Great for creating music, art, etc. but not so good for gaming. Never even heard of Ubnatu or whatever its called. __________________ My Rig Intel Pentium 4 CPU 1.80GHz 256MB RAM 74 GB Total HDD NVIDIA GeForce2 MX Dell E771p Monitor SB Live! Wave Device Dell Enhanced QuietKey PS2 with DellTouch Keyboard PS/2 Compatible Mouse Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2

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tlarkin VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 6,085	Let me shed some light since I have been a system's administrator for Linux, Unix, OS X, and Windows and have been in the field for almost 9 years now. Windows has a few things going for it that no other OS can really do that well. First and foremost is backwards compatibility. You think Vista is bad at backwards compatibility try using any other OS. Also, executing via double click and no authentication. Sure it is easier but also so much less secure. Windows has the market share because of how they marketed their product to the enterprises back in the 80s and early 90s. Not because they are the best product out there, they are not the best product out there. Long story short, all windows users must run some sort of admin level to run programs and then you have a crap ton of policies and permissions set up to manage them, which is annoying. Secondly, they allow access to the kernel, which is a big no no. Why do you think there are so may viruses and malware/spyware for windows and Internet Explorer? It is because the OS itself allows applications with out any sort of authentication to access the OS's kernel hooks. This means basically any program written to do bad stuff runs and does what it wants with out being checked. Windows by design is the least secure OS made and the most bloated and requires the highest spec of hardware. The plus side is that it is easy to use and since it has a huge market it has most the third party applications. However, quantity does not ever equal quality. OS X is Unix based (off of Free BSD) so it is a lot more secure at the core of the OS, and currently has ZERO known viruses in the wild for it. You can also run windows on a Mac now, so gaming really isn't a big deal. Install windows and run whatever game you want. Virtual machines are getting better every year. Really, the only down side is a more closed platform which is subjective and lack of gaming support, which is a niche market. Most gamers don't even realize that elite custom build gaming rigs are really only good for gaming. Also a lot of it has to do with personal preference. If you personally want windows, use it, if you personally want Mac OS X use it, etc. That is not fact or grounds for calling one OS better than the other, it is just a preference.