The Ebay Boycott: Reaction

ukulele_ninja · 02-21-2008, 06:43 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/smbu...ke_update.fsb/

If you have not heard yet, ebay has made some strange changes recently that have hurt many ebay sellers, including myself.

For starters, as a seller you are no longer allowed to leave feedback about a buyer. This means rude and unresponsive or non-paying buyers can no longer be disciplined for their actions from sellers whom they have hurt. This is possibly the biggest injustice the online auction site has commited and will undoubtably turn many users off to them.

The second mess up they made was to lower insertion fee prices but increase final sale costs. Meaning ebay will charge you a lower price to list your item, but a larger chunk of your final sale will go to their pockets. This has caused many ebay sellers and shops to no longer justify selling on the site because their profit margins have so severely decreased. I found myself in the same hole, I go to stores a lot and buy items that are marked down or on sale and resell them on the site, but now its not even worth it because what used to be a $5 or $10 profit is now a $3.00 or $7.00 profit.

So I was curious if anyone else had a reaction to the boycott going on this week or if anyon else has been screwed over by ebay.

[-0MEGA-] · 02-21-2008, 07:04 PM

I haven't sold anything on eBay recently to notice the new updates, although I have heard about them. The only thing I can see about not letting sellers leave feedback on buyers, is that no longer will the buyer feel pressured to leave a positive comment, as in the past usually the seller would not give them feedback until the buyer left positive feedback.

PohTayToez · 02-21-2008, 07:11 PM

That is a point... often a buyer leaves a negative then the seller will do the same and then try to mutually withdraw the feedback, regardless of fault. While this sounds good on paper, I don't see it working great. Having sold a decent amount on eBay, I find that you'll often run into people that wont be satisfied no matter what. People don't always read the item descriptions, and some people buy stuff without knowing what their buying. It happens, and now these people will be able to leave negative with no fear of retribution.

As for the fee increase... well, you gotta expect it some times... things get more expensive, that's just how the world works, but there is no way eBay is hurting for money, so of course they are just being greedy. The thing that really burns me is that they're adamantly advertising that it's actually going to save most people money. I don't buy that for a second... if it was going to save people money they wouldn't be doing it.

jbrdbr111x · 02-22-2008, 06:08 PM

I've had a lot of non-paying bidders myself.. It's hard enough getting a refund,but not being able to leave feedback to warn others? Come on eBay!..

Unless it goes back to the old way, I'll never use eBay again...

zaroba · 02-23-2008, 12:16 AM

the fee change i have no problem with. people need to accept that ebay is a business, its not some people providing an auction site for them to use for free. business is business, there goal is to make money. they continue to raise the fees and since people continue to use ebay and continue to pay the fees, they have no reason to stop raising them or to lower them.

as for the feedback change,
letting buyers leave feedback over pathetic stuff that might be there own fault and not sellers? that definitely wont be accepted among most of the sellers. if somebody wants to leave me negative feedback due to them making a mistake, darn right i want to leave them negative feedback as well due to not properly reading the description or whatever.
guess its time to look at those other auction sites. i'm probably not going to continue selling on ebay if i can't leave feedback.

cole4eng · 02-23-2008, 11:19 AM

What alternatives are out there ?

[-0MEGA-] · 02-23-2008, 03:19 PM

If you really think about it, since the insertion fees are less people don't have to worry if their item doesn't sell, which is something a lot of people feared when selling an item.

oscaryu1 · 02-23-2008, 03:24 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/06/smbu....fsb/index.htm

Quote:

What alternatives are out there ?

**Archangel** · 02-23-2008, 03:24 PM

that a seller cant put a rating on a buyer is most likely due to scammers (people who say they sell a pc or so, and instead oyu get send a box of bricks) because they used to use that to blackmail scammed people (from what I've heard)

'you give me a negative rating, I'll give you a negative rating' and unless someone who wants to buy someting also sells something (a lot, or buy's a lot) to get a load of positiva ratings, the buyer who got scammed would have a really high negative %, and would most likely be unable to buy off ebay anytime soon.

[-0MEGA-] · 02-23-2008, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archangel

that a seller cant put a rating on a buyer is most likely due to scammers (people who say they sell a pc or so, and instead oyu get send a box of bricks) because they used to use that to blackmail scammed people (from what I've heard)

'you give me a negative rating, I'll give you a negative rating' and unless someone who wants to buy someting also sells something (a lot, or buy's a lot) to get a load of positiva ratings, the buyer who got scammed would have a really high negative %, and would most likely be unable to buy off ebay anytime soon.

Thats true, also some people just buy lots of cheap stuff to get their rating up, so by not allowing buyers to receive feedback, they will need to actually sell something.

02-21-2008, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
ukulele_ninja Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ohio Age: 21 Posts: 2,136	The Ebay Boycott: Reaction http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/smbu...ke_update.fsb/ If you have not heard yet, ebay has made some strange changes recently that have hurt many ebay sellers, including myself. For starters, as a seller you are no longer allowed to leave feedback about a buyer. This means rude and unresponsive or non-paying buyers can no longer be disciplined for their actions from sellers whom they have hurt. This is possibly the biggest injustice the online auction site has commited and will undoubtably turn many users off to them. The second mess up they made was to lower insertion fee prices but increase final sale costs. Meaning ebay will charge you a lower price to list your item, but a larger chunk of your final sale will go to their pockets. This has caused many ebay sellers and shops to no longer justify selling on the site because their profit margins have so severely decreased. I found myself in the same hole, I go to stores a lot and buy items that are marked down or on sale and resell them on the site, but now its not even worth it because what used to be a $5 or $10 profit is now a $3.00 or $7.00 profit. So I was curious if anyone else had a reaction to the boycott going on this week or if anyon else has been screwed over by ebay. __________________ Do you remember when the tigers broke free? CF COD4: CF\|UkuleleNinja

02-21-2008, 07:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
[-0MEGA-] Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Concord, NH Age: 19 Posts: 26,397	I haven't sold anything on eBay recently to notice the new updates, although I have heard about them. The only thing I can see about not letting sellers leave feedback on buyers, is that no longer will the buyer feel pressured to leave a positive comment, as in the past usually the seller would not give them feedback until the buyer left positive feedback. __________________ Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.83GHz Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ATI HD 3870 GDDR4 @ (840/2332) 4GB (2x 2GB) DDR2-850 500GB SATAII HD w/16MB SilverStone 750W +12V@60A 3DMark06: 11593

02-21-2008, 07:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
PohTayToez Diamond Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Illinois Age: 19 Posts: 2,541	That is a point... often a buyer leaves a negative then the seller will do the same and then try to mutually withdraw the feedback, regardless of fault. While this sounds good on paper, I don't see it working great. Having sold a decent amount on eBay, I find that you'll often run into people that wont be satisfied no matter what. People don't always read the item descriptions, and some people buy stuff without knowing what their buying. It happens, and now these people will be able to leave negative with no fear of retribution. As for the fee increase... well, you gotta expect it some times... things get more expensive, that's just how the world works, but there is no way eBay is hurting for money, so of course they are just being greedy. The thing that really burns me is that they're adamantly advertising that it's actually going to save most people money. I don't buy that for a second... if it was going to save people money they wouldn't be doing it. __________________ Desktop / Laptop ASUS A8N-E / Compaq Presario v6420us AMD Athlon 3200+ @ 2.50Ghz / AMD Athlon X2 TK-53 @ 1.70Ghz MSI GeForce 7800GT / GeForce Go 6150 2 x 512MB DDR / 2 x 1GB DDR2 250GB SATA II / 80GB 5400RPM SATA 2 x DVD Burner / 8X DVD±R/RW

02-23-2008, 12:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
zaroba Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hereford PA Age: 27 Posts: 602	the fee change i have no problem with. people need to accept that ebay is a business, its not some people providing an auction site for them to use for free. business is business, there goal is to make money. they continue to raise the fees and since people continue to use ebay and continue to pay the fees, they have no reason to stop raising them or to lower them. as for the feedback change, letting buyers leave feedback over pathetic stuff that might be there own fault and not sellers? that definitely wont be accepted among most of the sellers. if somebody wants to leave me negative feedback due to them making a mistake, darn right i want to leave them negative feedback as well due to not properly reading the description or whatever. guess its time to look at those other auction sites. i'm probably not going to continue selling on ebay if i can't leave feedback. __________________ The Universal - the internet's most unique and enjoyable game. Mobo: Asus P5N32-E \| CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz \| PSU: Coolmax 650watt Case: Lian-Li PC-V2100plusII \| OS: XP Professional - 64bit \| Monitors: Dual 19" Hanns-G 2ms LCDs HDs: 3x320gb, 3x500gb, 2x750GB \| Disc Drives: 16x DL dvd +/- rw Ram: 6 gb ddr2 \| GPU: 640MB GeForce 8800GTS

02-23-2008, 03:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
[-0MEGA-] Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Concord, NH Age: 19 Posts: 26,397	If you really think about it, since the insertion fees are less people don't have to worry if their item doesn't sell, which is something a lot of people feared when selling an item. __________________ Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.83GHz Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ATI HD 3870 GDDR4 @ (840/2332) 4GB (2x 2GB) DDR2-850 500GB SATAII HD w/16MB SilverStone 750W +12V@60A 3DMark06: 11593

02-22-2008, 06:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
jbrdbr111x Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NC (Home of the HEELS!!) Age: 25 Posts: 299	I've had a lot of non-paying bidders myself.. It's hard enough getting a refund,but not being able to leave feedback to warn others? Come on eBay!.. Unless it goes back to the old way, I'll never use eBay again...

02-23-2008, 11:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
cole4eng New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	What alternatives are out there ?

02-23-2008, 03:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Archangel Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 7,834	that a seller cant put a rating on a buyer is most likely due to scammers (people who say they sell a pc or so, and instead oyu get send a box of bricks) because they used to use that to blackmail scammed people (from what I've heard) 'you give me a negative rating, I'll give you a negative rating' and unless someone who wants to buy someting also sells something (a lot, or buy's a lot) to get a load of positiva ratings, the buyer who got scammed would have a really high negative %, and would most likely be unable to buy off ebay anytime soon. __________________ God's busy, can I hellp you? Newton is dead, Einstein is dead, I don't feel very well either Xfire - Mirrari Intel Q6600 ( @3.6GHz) Asus Triton 79 Amazing 549/3200 4x 1Gb Corsair XMS2 DDR800 ( @ 960MHz ) Asus Maximus Formula Asus & Sapphire HD3870 512Mb Logitech MX Revolution mouse, G-15 keyboard, Saitek X-45 AeroEngine II case Corsair HX620W PSU

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