Dual boot problem - Ubuntu and XP

PC eye · 04-05-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Juven

I have set the default drive in bios.

In the last step of Ubuntu setup i checked the 'Install Boot Loader'
and under that it is written - 'Device for Boot Loader Installation' and option below was - '(hdo)_________' this was in a drop down box with no other options.

So i selected that and completed the installation.
But it is still not starting . When i reboot it is asking same question 'Insert proper disk'.
Both my XP and ubuntu are not displayed by the boot loader.

Any guidelines for GRUB installation?

If you are using the live 7.10 version of ubuntu select the manual option for partitioning. Instead of the hd0 you would choose the ext3 extended partition by placing a check in the box seen in the line itself. When clicking forward you will prompted to specify a definer where you choose "/" from another dropdown list and ok on the popup followed by the forward again.

Appendix A How to obtain and build GRUB http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/man...-Building-GRUB

15.2 How to install GRUB via grub http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/man...ion-under-UNIX

Those are from the Grub manual seen at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html

Juven · 04-05-2008, 03:01 PM

Thanks for ur help guys, I will try that.
Im using Ubuntu 7.10 Live Version.

tlarkin · 04-05-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

That's easy enough to figure out. Once the installer goes to work it will copy the boot files for XP onto the drive where ubuntu is installed on. To see everything load up you now need to set that as the default boot drive in the bios.

The Vista drive here was already set as default seeing the option to load XP with ubuntu as default immediately. Now to simply see the working entry made in a different tool to see ubuntu load along with Vista and XP since that was corrected here. But there you would make sure to mount the root partition "/" as advised earlier during the installation.

Actually, not quite....

Once GRUB is loaded on the boot sector and after the system POSTs it will immediately load GRUB which takes place of any boot loader be in Linux or Windows. Once you make your decision it will then execute the windows start up process. It does not copy files anywhere.

PC eye · 04-06-2008, 01:14 AM

When you are in the installer for the live cd you select the partition where you want to Grub placed. When highlighting the root partition you click the edit button to select "/" in order to define that.

Grub is then installed to the partition you specify. If you want Grub on the first XP primary the "HD0,1" entry points to that. You can also see that go to the root like "HD0,2" if the second. Once the installation completes with Grub as the last item you will see the "continue live/restart" prompt come up.

The problem seen earlier was simply from not entering the correct entry to specify the partition that would see Grub installed. The mbr still sees entries there regardless of the partition chosen. You ended up seeing the Grub failed to install message for that reason.

Once successfully installed the screen showing ubuntu - 7.10, ubuntu - recovery, ubuntu - memtest will be listed above two entries for XP. That's the way this particular live version seems to want to install.

The installer is what copies files once you make another attempt to see Grub installed since it will automatically reformat the root and swap partitions to install 7.10 all over again where the correct entry should see Grub go right on.

imsati · 04-06-2008, 01:39 AM

Where to begin with the ritual ownage...

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When you are in the installer for the live cd you select the partition where you want to Grub placed.

Actually it goes automatically. When using the Alt-Install, you can select where it goes.

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When highlighting the root partition you click the edit button to select "/" in order to define that.

/root doesn't define where GRUB is. Aside from that, the above quote makes zero sense.

I'd debunk the rest of your Post and continue to expose you as a fraud, but it's so hard to make sense of, I honestly stopped trying to comprehend it. At least BP knew he was a joke...

PC eye · 04-06-2008, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by imsati

I honestly stopped trying to comprehend it. At least BP knew he was a joke...

So what you are saying is that you are simply not able to comprehend things. Apparently the joke is on you! tlarkin works with this stuff on a day to day basis while you simply make noises!

Otherwise the OP would already be up and running.

Juven · 04-06-2008, 03:25 AM

I didnt get none of those messgaes when i installed.
I think i didnt install GRUB?

PC eye · 04-06-2008, 03:57 AM

You asked earlier if there were any guidelines for seeing Grub installed. The Grub loader is part of the installation with the live version. In fact a full page of "how tos" for 7.10 can be looked over at http://www.funnestra.org/ubuntu/gutsy/

A Linux boot loader would still be needed like Grub, Lilo, DMRaid, etc. in order to see distro run. With the live version you will have to specify where you want Grub to go after defining which partitions will see a mounting point. The "/" chioce from the dropdown list would be set for the ext3 root partition where the ubuntu system files are located once installed.

The prompt for Grub is the last stage before the installer goes to work at formatting or in the case of a reinstall reformatting the root and swap partitions. The simple (HD0,1) or default on a one drive system will see Grub entries made in the mbr even if you change the (HD0,1) to (HD0,2) if the root is the second partition on the drive.

By simply leaving things at the default (HD0) you saw Grub installed but ran into the other error instead likely from not correctly defining the root partition correctly or something didn't fully copy to the drive during the installation. I've seen that with other distros like Fedora and Mandriva where it takes a few installs to finally see working results.

imsati · 04-06-2008, 05:08 AM

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So what you are saying is that you are simply not able to comprehend things.

No, I'm saying the format of your posts is dribble and the words in order are correct not... It's like listening to Yoda talk.

Quote:

Apparently the joke is on you! tlarkin works with this stuff on a day to day basis while you simply make noises! Otherwise the OP would already be up and running.

And you know I don't work with some form of Linux in a professional manner each day how exactly...? tlarkin already corrected a few errors on your part in this Thread, as did I. If you're a demigod of computer knowledge, then perhaps you should take note of the above-bold, as well...

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The prompt for Grub is the last stage before the installer goes to work at formatting or in the case of a reinstall reformatting the root and swap partitions. The simple (HD0,1) or default on a one drive system will see Grub entries made in the mbr even if you change the (HD0,1) to (HD0,2) if the root is the second partition on the drive.

No, it's not. GRUB is one of the last items run upon an install. That allows it to view all other installed OS's.

Quote:

By simply leaving things at the default (HD0) you saw Grub installed but ran into the other error instead likely from not correctly defining the root partition correctly or something didn't fully copy to the drive during the installation. I've seen that with other distros like Fedora and Mandriva where it takes a few installs to finally see working results.

Oye...First off...you cannot install this Distro without designating a /root partition; it's like installing windows without specifying a drive path. You fail. Secondly, it's installed to a certain DEFAULT location for a reason, PC... And that reason is (are you ready for this?!): so others don't have to think/decide where to put it if they don't know anything about it. As far as multiple installs before seeing workable results - you were obviously doing something wrong.

Good gods, can someone please BAN this guy already?

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I didnt get none of those messgaes when i installed.
I think i didnt install GRUB?

Juven, GRUB installs automatically with the Live CD of 7.10. Honestly, you need to rip PC off your leg. Have you considered you have a bad image burn? Try re-burning the image at the slowest speed supported by your drive and trying again. Or (come to think of it, I'd try this first) download and burn a copy of the Alt-Install CD, boot to it and enter the Repair option, then scroll down and select to reinstall either GRUB or LILO; it will bypass everything else, detect all OS's on the system, and overwrite your current GRUB.

tlarkin · 04-06-2008, 06:15 AM

GRUB is a boot loader which is 100% independent of any and all OSes. Grub is installed and run at the boot sector. At the hardware level a system will POST and once it passes POST it will load the boot sector of the HD to then start the process of booting, which is called a boot strap.

During the installation of Linux, if you have a current windows installation it should detect it and automatically configure the boot loader to have options to boot from all OSes installed. You can literally run dozens of different OSes on your computer and grub can manage them.

That being said, when you install Linux it should list all partitions and OSes installed, it will ask you to resize, and it will automatically load that information into GRUB, LILO, or whatever boot loader you use. With GRUB being the most popular.

04-05-2008, 03:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Juven Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 143	Thanks for ur help guys, I will try that. Im using Ubuntu 7.10 Live Version. __________________ God Bless You. Time is precious, Dont waste it. Even the Devil knows it. Juven

04-06-2008, 01:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,998	When you are in the installer for the live cd you select the partition where you want to Grub placed. When highlighting the root partition you click the edit button to select "/" in order to define that. Grub is then installed to the partition you specify. If you want Grub on the first XP primary the "HD0,1" entry points to that. You can also see that go to the root like "HD0,2" if the second. Once the installation completes with Grub as the last item you will see the "continue live/restart" prompt come up. The problem seen earlier was simply from not entering the correct entry to specify the partition that would see Grub installed. The mbr still sees entries there regardless of the partition chosen. You ended up seeing the Grub failed to install message for that reason. Once successfully installed the screen showing ubuntu - 7.10, ubuntu - recovery, ubuntu - memtest will be listed above two entries for XP. That's the way this particular live version seems to want to install. The installer is what copies files once you make another attempt to see Grub installed since it will automatically reformat the root and swap partitions to install 7.10 all over again where the correct entry should see Grub go right on. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

04-06-2008, 03:25 AM	#27 (permalink)
Juven Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 143	I didnt get none of those messgaes when i installed. I think i didnt install GRUB? __________________ God Bless You. Time is precious, Dont waste it. Even the Devil knows it. Juven

04-06-2008, 03:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,998	You asked earlier if there were any guidelines for seeing Grub installed. The Grub loader is part of the installation with the live version. In fact a full page of "how tos" for 7.10 can be looked over at http://www.funnestra.org/ubuntu/gutsy/ A Linux boot loader would still be needed like Grub, Lilo, DMRaid, etc. in order to see distro run. With the live version you will have to specify where you want Grub to go after defining which partitions will see a mounting point. The "/" chioce from the dropdown list would be set for the ext3 root partition where the ubuntu system files are located once installed. The prompt for Grub is the last stage before the installer goes to work at formatting or in the case of a reinstall reformatting the root and swap partitions. The simple (HD0,1) or default on a one drive system will see Grub entries made in the mbr even if you change the (HD0,1) to (HD0,2) if the root is the second partition on the drive. By simply leaving things at the default (HD0) you saw Grub installed but ran into the other error instead likely from not correctly defining the root partition correctly or something didn't fully copy to the drive during the installation. I've seen that with other distros like Fedora and Mandriva where it takes a few installs to finally see working results. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

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04-06-2008, 06:15 AM	#30 (permalink)
tlarkin VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 5,930	GRUB is a boot loader which is 100% independent of any and all OSes. Grub is installed and run at the boot sector. At the hardware level a system will POST and once it passes POST it will load the boot sector of the HD to then start the process of booting, which is called a boot strap. During the installation of Linux, if you have a current windows installation it should detect it and automatically configure the boot loader to have options to boot from all OSes installed. You can literally run dozens of different OSes on your computer and grub can manage them. That being said, when you install Linux it should list all partitions and OSes installed, it will ask you to resize, and it will automatically load that information into GRUB, LILO, or whatever boot loader you use. With GRUB being the most popular.