Dual boot problem - Ubuntu and XP

imsati · 04-06-2008, 06:19 AM

You're up late (or early!)

Insomnia like me?

tlarkin · 04-06-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by imsati

You're up late (or early!)

Insomnia like me?

No not at all. I am what you called experienced...

I watched the KU game earlier, cooked fried tacos from scratch for about 8 to 10 people, and drank about 15 beers. I am just biding my time sipping on the last of my beers, and surfing the interwebs.

imsati · 04-06-2008, 06:26 AM

Finishing up a vanilla vodka and diet coke myself hoping it will make me drowsy, surfing the web too. A damn shame about Charlton Heston

PC eye · 04-06-2008, 06:40 AM

Again you missed the actual problem namely the "please insert system disk" error upon seeing the installation complete. Even a good working burn to disk sees that same error. A good working set of Mandriva install disks saw the same error as well.

How do I know they were good? Mandriva was up and running on the last build with ease. As far as Grub installing to the root of the first hard drive by default Juven already knows that. He was asking about the prompt seen for (HD0,?) earlier.

For the insert disk error it's likely a need to repeat the installation or see the system restarted a few times to see the first load take effect unless something simply didn't see a full copy to the drive. That happens when installing Windows at times as well ruling it from always being a bad burn to disk.

This seems to be a problem seen mostly when installing a distro from a live cd. The installer readily detected the Vista primary here while Grub left Vista out of the equation entirely. After a couple restarts seeing XP boot up normally ubuntu took.

However Vista had to be reset as the default OS clearing Grub out for the 3rd party BCD editing tool called EasyBCD. Here Grub had to be redirected to the root and then added into the Vista boot loader since that version of Grub left the new version out. The problem of "please insert system disk" comes up after seeing Grub installed without problems once the "/ root" mounting point was specified.

You won't find any references to this particular error no matter where you look.

imsati · 04-06-2008, 07:02 AM

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You won't find any references to this particular error no matter where you look.

It just never ends, does it...

<counts to 10>

Ok, PC, whatever you say...

To quote Bobby Baccalieri from The Spranos: 'I'm in awe of you'.

tlarkin · 04-06-2008, 07:10 AM

Look, I never do this, but come on PC, calm down and take a deep breath. What you state in all your posts here never really truly answer the question, and in reality, you should be asking more questions than giving answers in a support type situation. You need to ask the user what they have done and how they have done it to get an idea of what actually is going on.

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Originally Posted by PC eye

Again you missed the actual problem namely the "please insert system disk" error upon seeing the installation complete. Even a good working burn to disk sees that same error. A good working set of Mandriva install disks saw the same error as well.

Mandrivia is not based on Debian to my knowledge and ubuntu is, which is very different, however all of this is not even relevant because a boot loader like GRUB is totally 100% independent of the OSes ran on that system. I stated in the beginning if he had that error he most likely did not configure the boot loader to begin with. Just read up on the boot strap process.

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How do I know they were good? Mandriva was up and running on the last build with ease. As far as Grub installing to the root of the first hard drive by default Juven already knows that. He was asking about the prompt seen for (HD0,?) earlier.

Wow, GRUB does not install on the root partition at all, it installs on the boot sector, however, GRUB may parse information in the grub.conf file on the Linux box, much like the boot.ini file does in XP. It does so through symbolic links to the config file on the HD itself.

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For the insert disk error it's likely a need to repeat the installation or see the system restarted a few times to see the first load take effect unless something simply didn't see a full copy to the drive. That happens when installing Windows at times as well ruling it from always being a bad burn to disk.

This seems to be a problem seen mostly when installing a distro from a live cd. The installer readily detected the Vista primary here while Grub left Vista out of the equation entirely. After a couple restarts seeing XP boot up normally ubuntu took.

Again, you can only truly deduct that information from asking the person who installed it, how they installed it and how they configured it. By default in my experience most Linux installers configure this through a wizard.

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However Vista had to be reset as the default OS clearing Grub out for the 3rd party BCD editing tool called EasyBCD. Here Grub had to be redirected to the root and then added into the Vista boot loader since that version of Grub left the new version out. The problem of "please insert system disk" comes up after seeing Grub installed without problems once the "/ root" mounting point was specified.

You won't find any references to this particular error no matter where you look.

Completely not even relevant as this particular user is booting XP and Ubuntu. This just confuses him and has no business being here.

Juven · 04-06-2008, 08:16 AM

Hey guys no arguments, I want all ur suggestions so that i can figure it out what can i do.
You all have experienced different problems while working on these stuff.
Thanks to all.
Coming to the point, i use the Free Ubuntu CD that i got delivered to me, so its not from image file.
Secondly, the Ubuntu installation recognises XP and also asked for importing the Administration data, and i didnt select it but i provided my name password seperately in next step.
Hope thts not the problem.
I will try to install again.
Thanks to all once again.

PC eye · 04-06-2008, 08:18 AM

tlarkin It does since you mentioned that Grub will load any and all OSs. That will depend on the version of Grub used since the Grub on the live cd doesn't recognise the newer version of Windows. Grub4Dos seems to be the winner in that sense.

Grub has seen numerous variations over several years time. You missed one thing I mentioned earlier about Grub still seeing entries in the mbr even while selecting another partition other than the first like the root for a dual boot. The boot loader was configured here to come up with the error message about inserting a system disk like mentioned at the beginning of the thread.

Ubuntu did load after XP was booted into a few times when the first installation was seen despite the error. XP saw no problem while ubuntu was stubborn. That showed that Grub was on properly while "something else" was preventing 7.10 from running the way it should. It's probably best described as when Windows is loaded for the first time and needs to configure itself.

You can import the user information from XP without seeing a problem. Entering a new user name and password is part of the install process and required by the installer.

UPDATE: Installed from the live cd ubuntu 7.10 is now the default OS with the Vista boot loader now seen as an option at startup. Once the installation goes on fully you should see...

ubuntu 7.10 kernel 2.6.22-14 generic
ubuntu 7.10 (recovery mode)
ubunto 7.10 (memtest)
Windows XP
Windows XP

The Windows option will be listed twice for some reason while thet points to the same installation and same option. When first loading ubuntu and the screen goes dark that will be ubuntu running and configuring itself for the first time. If it simply stalls after a minute or so simply press the ctrl-alt-del key combination to either see the system restart or ubuntu start to load up.

04-06-2008, 06:19 AM	#31 (permalink)
imsati Diamond Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: EHT, NJ Posts: 2,644	You're up late (or early!) Insomnia like me? __________________ --Jay Gigabyte EP31-DS3L \| E4500 \| Masscool HSF paired with AS-5 80 GB SATA2 x 2 \| e-GeForce 7100 GS \| CM Elite 330 (gorgeous!) Triple Boot: Ubuntu 7.10/XP Home/Kubuntu 7.10 You do realize that everytime PC eye Posts, God kicks a puppy, and every time someone takes his advice, He smothers a kitten in front of a child, right? http://www.computerforum.com/114761-...tml#post922619

04-06-2008, 06:26 AM	#33 (permalink)
imsati Diamond Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: EHT, NJ Posts: 2,644	Finishing up a vanilla vodka and diet coke myself hoping it will make me drowsy, surfing the web too. A damn shame about Charlton Heston __________________ --Jay Gigabyte EP31-DS3L \| E4500 \| Masscool HSF paired with AS-5 80 GB SATA2 x 2 \| e-GeForce 7100 GS \| CM Elite 330 (gorgeous!) Triple Boot: Ubuntu 7.10/XP Home/Kubuntu 7.10 You do realize that everytime PC eye Posts, God kicks a puppy, and every time someone takes his advice, He smothers a kitten in front of a child, right? http://www.computerforum.com/114761-...tml#post922619

04-06-2008, 06:40 AM	#34 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,730	Again you missed the actual problem namely the "please insert system disk" error upon seeing the installation complete. Even a good working burn to disk sees that same error. A good working set of Mandriva install disks saw the same error as well. How do I know they were good? Mandriva was up and running on the last build with ease. As far as Grub installing to the root of the first hard drive by default Juven already knows that. He was asking about the prompt seen for (HD0,?) earlier. For the insert disk error it's likely a need to repeat the installation or see the system restarted a few times to see the first load take effect unless something simply didn't see a full copy to the drive. That happens when installing Windows at times as well ruling it from always being a bad burn to disk. This seems to be a problem seen mostly when installing a distro from a live cd. The installer readily detected the Vista primary here while Grub left Vista out of the equation entirely. After a couple restarts seeing XP boot up normally ubuntu took. However Vista had to be reset as the default OS clearing Grub out for the 3rd party BCD editing tool called EasyBCD. Here Grub had to be redirected to the root and then added into the Vista boot loader since that version of Grub left the new version out. The problem of "please insert system disk" comes up after seeing Grub installed without problems once the "/ root" mounting point was specified. You won't find any references to this particular error no matter where you look. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

04-06-2008, 08:16 AM	#37 (permalink)
Juven Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 147	Hey guys no arguments, I want all ur suggestions so that i can figure it out what can i do. You all have experienced different problems while working on these stuff. Thanks to all. Coming to the point, i use the Free Ubuntu CD that i got delivered to me, so its not from image file. Secondly, the Ubuntu installation recognises XP and also asked for importing the Administration data, and i didnt select it but i provided my name password seperately in next step. Hope thts not the problem. I will try to install again. Thanks to all once again. __________________ God Bless You. Time is precious, Dont waste it. Even the Devil knows it. Juven

04-06-2008, 08:18 AM	#38 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,730	tlarkin It does since you mentioned that Grub will load any and all OSs. That will depend on the version of Grub used since the Grub on the live cd doesn't recognise the newer version of Windows. Grub4Dos seems to be the winner in that sense. Grub has seen numerous variations over several years time. You missed one thing I mentioned earlier about Grub still seeing entries in the mbr even while selecting another partition other than the first like the root for a dual boot. The boot loader was configured here to come up with the error message about inserting a system disk like mentioned at the beginning of the thread. Ubuntu did load after XP was booted into a few times when the first installation was seen despite the error. XP saw no problem while ubuntu was stubborn. That showed that Grub was on properly while "something else" was preventing 7.10 from running the way it should. It's probably best described as when Windows is loaded for the first time and needs to configure itself. You can import the user information from XP without seeing a problem. Entering a new user name and password is part of the install process and required by the installer. UPDATE: Installed from the live cd ubuntu 7.10 is now the default OS with the Vista boot loader now seen as an option at startup. Once the installation goes on fully you should see... ubuntu 7.10 kernel 2.6.22-14 generic ubuntu 7.10 (recovery mode) ubunto 7.10 (memtest) Windows XP Windows XP The Windows option will be listed twice for some reason while thet points to the same installation and same option. When first loading ubuntu and the screen goes dark that will be ubuntu running and configuring itself for the first time. If it simply stalls after a minute or so simply press the ctrl-alt-del key combination to either see the system restart or ubuntu start to load up. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1 Last edited by PC eye; 04-08-2008 at 11:00 PM.

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