Gta Iv

g25racer · 05-06-2008, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramodkk

And you are?

just kidding!

Wh wh what? Have you played Call of Duty 4 - Multiplayer?

I dont really play shooter games but COD4 has to be my favorite next to rainbob six vegas 2!!

g25racer · 05-06-2008, 09:19 PM

LOL dumb keyboard! I meant Rainbow

JlCollins005 · 05-06-2008, 09:22 PM

thats a sweet setup Q

ramodkk · 05-06-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g25racer

LOL dumb keyboard! I meant Rainbow

Blame the keyboard!

But yes, nice getup G25Racer

tlarkin · 05-06-2008, 09:26 PM

I have been playing games since about 83, and I played the first FPS ever, wolfenstein and right behind it Doom and Doom II, then the quake series, then Half life, so on and so forth.

Better graphics and game engines don't always mean better games. Game play is a huge factor. I have already seen it all.

I have been playing games enough now where I pick up a game, play it for a week, decide I don't like it (with out even beating it) and trade it in for another. There are some games that I can pop back in and play over and over again, and those games are:

mario bros (classic, grew up on it)
zelda
fallout series
half life
tetris (never gets old, even 20 years later)
possibly KOTOR (real time RPG, cool concept and I grew up on star wars)

Other than that, there is no game that I will play 10 to 15 to 20 years from now besides those games. I still boot up Fall out ever now and then and that game is over a decade old. I still boot up the Original Zelda from time to time as well. I love Half life and all the mods.

Every other game I just play in passing. I don't see myself busting out any of the GTA games 10 years from now playing it. I mean I played the original over head GTA that looked like you were racing around a bunch of RC cars.

I mean I used to love the final fantasy games, and now they just plain bore the crap out of me. 8 sucked, 9 was mediocre, 10 was way boring and dragged on and I hated half the character's voices, and never played a final fantasy since. 7 was ground breaking because of the cinematic scenes, but still the best final fantasy ever was on SNES story line wise, and was III in the US and I think IV in Japan.

When games rely on technology over innovation or think that technology is the only innovation out there, it just lacks a lot of robustness games used to have when technology was lesser and you had to rely on other things. I am not saying every game out there is crap, I am just saying that most of them are these days.

As for a rating system. If you are going to be a critic and create system of ratings between 1 and 10, 1 being nothing but flaws, 10 being flawless you should stand by it. Once you lower your standards you just become used to lower standards.

It is just like Microsoft windows. People, expect it not to work right out the box because that is how MS deploys their product. Therefore, when you look at any other OS, you get that same low standard of it having bugs for the first year, when in fact they really don't have a fraction of the bugs windows may have. Nothing man made is perfect, that is for sure, but if you don't hold up to your standards then your standards are pointless.

The driving mechanic alone in GTA should not give it a 10. It is horrid. After playing games like Burnout and GT, you would think that a platformer can make a better driving system than what is in GTA 4 given today's games.

g25racer · 05-06-2008, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramodkk

Blame the keyboard!

But yes, nice getup G25Racer

Yeah why not? LOL

Thanks

hermeslyre · 05-06-2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin

As for a rating system. If you are going to be a critic and create system of ratings between 1 and 10, 1 being nothing but flaws, 10 being flawless you should stand by it. Once you lower your standards you just become used to lower standards.

Who is the critic who created this system, pray? Certainly not a video game reviewer, comparing things to a scale of 1 to 10 has probably been done for thousands of years. It's old. When a video game reviewer first writes a review and states that his system of score does not contain a flawless or perfect numerical/characterized equivalent, on the basis there is none such, I'm obliged to agree and accept that. Not doing so is simply a stiffening of the joints. I don't agree a person going this route is breeding a comfort of lower standards, I think this person is being realistic and taking naught in waste. These are opinions we are talking about, remember, and flaws are never universal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin

Nothing man made is perfect, that is for sure, but if you don't hold up to your standards then your standards are pointless.

Reviewers are standing up to their standards, It's other people who say that they aren't, not even knowing what their standard is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin

The driving mechanic alone in GTA should not give it a 10. It is horrid. After playing games like Burnout and GT, you would think that a platformer can make a better driving system than what is in GTA 4 given today's games.

I've heard the complaint. Some people can't get used to it, but the majority of people seem to (only form what I've read and from the few people i know who own it). I haven't tried it yet, obviously, but I'm not afraid of adapting a new driving technique.

g25racer · 05-06-2008, 09:53 PM

Tlarkin, you def have a lot to say, dont you? First of all! All of the GTA's, burnout's, and the GT's I believe, are not even close to a racing simulator but, I think they are still fun to play. The only games I think are real sim games are GTR, LFS, Rfactor, GTL, Grand Prix legends, and Dirt is pushing it. Any of the NFS games or Test Drive's are not even close to racing sims. Im sorry but its the truth! They are fun though. AS for GTA well, thats not even considered a race sim. Its more of a solo adventurous game. IDK the technical term but im sure there is one for GTA's place.

g25racer · 05-06-2008, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hermeslyre

I've heard the complaint. Some people can't get used to it, but the majority of people seem to (only form what I've read and from the few people i know who own it). I haven't tried it yet, obviously, but I'm not afraid of adapting a new driving technique.

Me either! I think we all had to change driving techniques when going from NFS: Carbon to NFS: Pro street or Most wanted. LOL Carbon was fun but way too much of an arcade style game.

hermeslyre · 05-06-2008, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g25racer

I think we all had to change driving techniques when going from NFS: Carbon to NFS: Pro street or Most wanted.

lol, we all? I've only played NFS:most wanted, a long time ago. Thought it was awesome. The burnout series are my favorite racing games, utter speed, precision control, damn purty crashes.

05-06-2008, 09:19 PM	#22 (permalink)
g25racer Diamond Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hamilton, MI Posts: 3,852	LOL dumb keyboard! I meant Rainbow __________________ CPU - AMD Athlon 64x2 5200+ @ 2.6ghz Ram - 2GB Stock clock HD - 320gb seagate & Samsung 750gb 32mb cache GPU - XFX 8600GT XXX Zalman @ 680 or 700mhz PSU - Ultra X-finity 600watt OS - Vista Home Premium(32) & Ubuntu (8.04) Ultimate Ed Audio - JVC 460watts Control - Logitech G25 Wheel & Logitech Rumblepad 2 Games - GTR2 and LFS -- Race Sim's for Life --

05-06-2008, 09:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
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05-06-2008, 09:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
tlarkin VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 6,327	I have been playing games since about 83, and I played the first FPS ever, wolfenstein and right behind it Doom and Doom II, then the quake series, then Half life, so on and so forth. Better graphics and game engines don't always mean better games. Game play is a huge factor. I have already seen it all. I have been playing games enough now where I pick up a game, play it for a week, decide I don't like it (with out even beating it) and trade it in for another. There are some games that I can pop back in and play over and over again, and those games are: mario bros (classic, grew up on it) zelda fallout series half life tetris (never gets old, even 20 years later) possibly KOTOR (real time RPG, cool concept and I grew up on star wars) Other than that, there is no game that I will play 10 to 15 to 20 years from now besides those games. I still boot up Fall out ever now and then and that game is over a decade old. I still boot up the Original Zelda from time to time as well. I love Half life and all the mods. Every other game I just play in passing. I don't see myself busting out any of the GTA games 10 years from now playing it. I mean I played the original over head GTA that looked like you were racing around a bunch of RC cars. I mean I used to love the final fantasy games, and now they just plain bore the crap out of me. 8 sucked, 9 was mediocre, 10 was way boring and dragged on and I hated half the character's voices, and never played a final fantasy since. 7 was ground breaking because of the cinematic scenes, but still the best final fantasy ever was on SNES story line wise, and was III in the US and I think IV in Japan. When games rely on technology over innovation or think that technology is the only innovation out there, it just lacks a lot of robustness games used to have when technology was lesser and you had to rely on other things. I am not saying every game out there is crap, I am just saying that most of them are these days. As for a rating system. If you are going to be a critic and create system of ratings between 1 and 10, 1 being nothing but flaws, 10 being flawless you should stand by it. Once you lower your standards you just become used to lower standards. It is just like Microsoft windows. People, expect it not to work right out the box because that is how MS deploys their product. Therefore, when you look at any other OS, you get that same low standard of it having bugs for the first year, when in fact they really don't have a fraction of the bugs windows may have. Nothing man made is perfect, that is for sure, but if you don't hold up to your standards then your standards are pointless. The driving mechanic alone in GTA should not give it a 10. It is horrid. After playing games like Burnout and GT, you would think that a platformer can make a better driving system than what is in GTA 4 given today's games. Last edited by tlarkin; 05-06-2008 at 09:29 PM.

05-06-2008, 09:53 PM	#28 (permalink)
g25racer Diamond Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hamilton, MI Posts: 3,852	Tlarkin, you def have a lot to say, dont you? First of all! All of the GTA's, burnout's, and the GT's I believe, are not even close to a racing simulator but, I think they are still fun to play. The only games I think are real sim games are GTR, LFS, Rfactor, GTL, Grand Prix legends, and Dirt is pushing it. Any of the NFS games or Test Drive's are not even close to racing sims. Im sorry but its the truth! They are fun though. AS for GTA well, thats not even considered a race sim. Its more of a solo adventurous game. IDK the technical term but im sure there is one for GTA's place. __________________ CPU - AMD Athlon 64x2 5200+ @ 2.6ghz Ram - 2GB Stock clock HD - 320gb seagate & Samsung 750gb 32mb cache GPU - XFX 8600GT XXX Zalman @ 680 or 700mhz PSU - Ultra X-finity 600watt OS - Vista Home Premium(32) & Ubuntu (8.04) Ultimate Ed Audio - JVC 460watts Control - Logitech G25 Wheel & Logitech Rumblepad 2 Games - GTR2 and LFS -- Race Sim's for Life --

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