SATA Ports

csmdew · 05-13-2008, 12:11 AM

Tried to connect my ide hd to a sata port using an adapter and it was not reconized, also tried conecting the adapter to a dvd player and it did not show up either would so would u summize that the adapter was bad. The bios setting are turned on and it is a new board with everything else working; just don't have any sata hds to try. Thought I read that when sata was connected that it became the first controller and the ide then came up as second controller. Any info on sata connections for this board is appreciated. gigabyte ga-ma770-ds3....REDDEVIL, u have the same board, right, any ideas?

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 12:39 AM

The actuality is that ide overrides sata. When going to install Windows on a sata drive while an ide drive is present guess where the boot files and information end up? on the first ide drive detected by the installer.

The adapters that work are those for running a sata drive on an ide channel unfortunately. If the board as it should has a single ide channel you would have to run the hard drive on that or in an external drive bay by way of a usb port. For an OS drive you would then plug that in on the single ide channel.

When ordering a board the single ide and floppy cables are generally included along with the board as well as a pair of red colored sata data cables with black plugs on the ends. The wider grey flat ribbon cable is there for an ide hard drive and/or any optical drives(cd, dvd) you have. That or an even better higher priced ide round cable bought separately will see the hard drive plugged in and running.

csmdew · 05-13-2008, 01:04 AM

OK, I got it backwards but here's my problem. I got the os loaded on an ide hd with 2 dvd burners that I want to put on the ide connector. So I bought a sata to ide converter to connect to hd and the sata connector but when connected I get no drive on the sata ports. Now if the ports are turned on do I need to install drivers to run them and can they be loaded from the hd that is already installed on the ide and then switch it to the sata connection. I also have those expen. rd. ide cables but never liked them even though they are suppose to be better. Did I make sense on my problem, I generally know what I need just not how to say it, thanks.

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 01:58 AM

To see Windows running on the ide drive you would have to remove one of the optical drives and best master the HD on the ide cable. If the board had two ide channels it would be no problem to add a second ribbon cable in to see both optical drives as well as the hard drive put to use.

Here I initially went with one ide cd writer but saw a sata dvd burner freeing up one connector for the now removed ide host drive until moving Vista onto one of two sata drives previously meant for storage/backup. That was to follow buying an external drive for that purpose.

As far as the onboard controllers the drivers are installed on Windows from the software disk included with the board itself. When adding a sata drive in you might have to prepare a driver floppy if you intend to see XP go onto a sata HD depending on the make and model board as far as the chipset is concerned while most boards now allow the XP installer to readily see any sata drives installed.

Eventually the current cd writer will see a sata replacement eliminating all ide drives once and for all. Your option there is to keep one optical as a spare and consider buying a sata replacement for seeing two optical drives or going with a sata HD for the OS drive. With the main trend leaning on sata most prefer the thinner data cables for increased air flow as well as no fuss with jumper settings as seen witrh ide drives.

csmdew · 05-13-2008, 02:03 AM

Then I guess these things are useless and there is no way that sata will show up with one connected, right.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=019

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 02:48 AM

That's a sata to ide converter for seeing a sata drive used on an ide channel. I think you mistook that for running an ide drive on a sata port.

Serial ATA drives are still bound very much to the ATA100 limitations even while those are on a faster bus. But there you are working with an ide drive that will simply plug into one of the connector on the standard ribbon cable where the jumper on the rear of the drive is set to master(MA, MS) or slave(SA often) as marked on the casing itself depending on the end or middle connector used.

Your option there is to master the drive at the end and use the preferred optical drive on the center connector as a slave until deciding which way you will go like replacing the hard drive with a sata model or replacing one or two optical drives with the sata version. Most will simply upgrade to a sata hard drive when they can and even consider replacing one or both of the optical drives over a period of time to go for the thinner sata type cables with the better air flow and convenience.

For the present time simply running the ide hard drive with one optical will work until you decide on what sata drives you will eventually go for. The sata to ide adapters are mainly intended for using a sata type drive on an older board that lacks any sata ports to allow use under that type of circumstance while a quick look at all newer boards out show at least 4 sata ports and now lean on only one ide channel mainly for optical drives or even slaving in an old ide HD for retrieving files from an old system.

csmdew · 05-13-2008, 03:39 AM

My problem is then why soes it say connect to ide hd and then connect to sata connector, matter of fact they even include the sata cable with the unit. They have ide to sata and sata to ide listed differently, so why are they listed then. They also sell a pcie card that allows u to connect 2 more ide devices or 2 more sata items but due to size of vid card the pcies are pretty much unaccesible. Buying the hds are not problem (cash wise) but I have several new ide hds with no home for them and I hate to waste money. This just doesn't make sense: "Quote" Attach these mini converter boards to back of all types of ATAPI, ATA/133, ATA/100, ATA/66, ATA/33, EIDE and IDE storage devices (such as Hard Disk, DVD, DVD-RAM, CD-ROM, CD-RW, MO, ?.) and make them become new Serial ATA Devices which meet new Serial ATA standards, Converts Serial ATA to parallel ATA / IDE Bridge. Plug directly to IDE hard-disk, connect it to your motherboard's SATA socket with SATA cable. Fits for 3.5" IDE Hard Driver. Supports ATA 100/1300 "quote". More research is needed I guess.

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 04:32 AM

That sounds more like an addon PCI type controller card not a converter. Since that will run both types of drives sata as well as ide the controller card itself would see a cable going out to one or two sata ports when you use sata drives with it.

For ide however that might utilize sata ports simply by it's own method of adapting ide to sata to enable use of ide drives while still going through sata ports. But that has a controller card's circuitry seen there while a direct adapter only allows a sata to be used by way of an ide channel. two different items altogether.

csmdew · 05-13-2008, 05:29 AM

The link is the item and it say converter not controller so that it what I was trying to get the info on. I bought it but no matter what I hook it it does not show up in bios, might be bad item or whatever. I'm hooked up now with a pcie controller with ide and have 1 dvd on it and the other dvd and hd on the mb ide connector. Would put both on card but cable not long enough (got at least 20 cables and no long ones). Still want to go with that converter card though and will keep trying to get it to work. thanks

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 05:51 AM

The converter won't work since that is for sata on ide while you are trying the reverse. The controller card being discussed would be a card capable of using sata ports even when an ide is present by acting as the intermediary there. The converter on the other hand is a one to one direct connection.

Often the controller cards added in are mainly for RAID where two drives see one logical drive spread across the two synced together. But they can be used to see additional ide drives added on as well. Your option with a number of ide hard drives where two can easily go on one ide channel would be to see two sata type optical drives replace the current pair since the cost on those is under $30 for just about any of them at this point. You get to put to use the ide hard drives onhand while still seeing two opticals at the same time.

05-13-2008, 12:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
csmdew Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 124	SATA Ports Tried to connect my ide hd to a sata port using an adapter and it was not reconized, also tried conecting the adapter to a dvd player and it did not show up either would so would u summize that the adapter was bad. The bios setting are turned on and it is a new board with everything else working; just don't have any sata hds to try. Thought I read that when sata was connected that it became the first controller and the ide then came up as second controller. Any info on sata connections for this board is appreciated. gigabyte ga-ma770-ds3....REDDEVIL, u have the same board, right, any ideas? __________________ MB--Gigabyte MA770 DS3 CPU--Amd 5000 Black Edition Mem--4GB Crucial PC2-6400 GPU--XFC GeForce 8600GT Case--Black Smilodon w/5 fans Last edited by csmdew; 05-13-2008 at 12:34 AM.

05-13-2008, 12:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,005	The actuality is that ide overrides sata. When going to install Windows on a sata drive while an ide drive is present guess where the boot files and information end up? on the first ide drive detected by the installer. The adapters that work are those for running a sata drive on an ide channel unfortunately. If the board as it should has a single ide channel you would have to run the hard drive on that or in an external drive bay by way of a usb port. For an OS drive you would then plug that in on the single ide channel. When ordering a board the single ide and floppy cables are generally included along with the board as well as a pair of red colored sata data cables with black plugs on the ends. The wider grey flat ribbon cable is there for an ide hard drive and/or any optical drives(cd, dvd) you have. That or an even better higher priced ide round cable bought separately will see the hard drive plugged in and running. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 01:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
csmdew Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 124	OK, I got it backwards but here's my problem. I got the os loaded on an ide hd with 2 dvd burners that I want to put on the ide connector. So I bought a sata to ide converter to connect to hd and the sata connector but when connected I get no drive on the sata ports. Now if the ports are turned on do I need to install drivers to run them and can they be loaded from the hd that is already installed on the ide and then switch it to the sata connection. I also have those expen. rd. ide cables but never liked them even though they are suppose to be better. Did I make sense on my problem, I generally know what I need just not how to say it, thanks. __________________ MB--Gigabyte MA770 DS3 CPU--Amd 5000 Black Edition Mem--4GB Crucial PC2-6400 GPU--XFC GeForce 8600GT Case--Black Smilodon w/5 fans

05-13-2008, 01:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,005	To see Windows running on the ide drive you would have to remove one of the optical drives and best master the HD on the ide cable. If the board had two ide channels it would be no problem to add a second ribbon cable in to see both optical drives as well as the hard drive put to use. Here I initially went with one ide cd writer but saw a sata dvd burner freeing up one connector for the now removed ide host drive until moving Vista onto one of two sata drives previously meant for storage/backup. That was to follow buying an external drive for that purpose. As far as the onboard controllers the drivers are installed on Windows from the software disk included with the board itself. When adding a sata drive in you might have to prepare a driver floppy if you intend to see XP go onto a sata HD depending on the make and model board as far as the chipset is concerned while most boards now allow the XP installer to readily see any sata drives installed. Eventually the current cd writer will see a sata replacement eliminating all ide drives once and for all. Your option there is to keep one optical as a spare and consider buying a sata replacement for seeing two optical drives or going with a sata HD for the OS drive. With the main trend leaning on sata most prefer the thinner data cables for increased air flow as well as no fuss with jumper settings as seen witrh ide drives. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 02:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
csmdew Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 124	Then I guess these things are useless and there is no way that sata will show up with one connected, right. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=019 __________________ MB--Gigabyte MA770 DS3 CPU--Amd 5000 Black Edition Mem--4GB Crucial PC2-6400 GPU--XFC GeForce 8600GT Case--Black Smilodon w/5 fans

05-13-2008, 02:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,005	That's a sata to ide converter for seeing a sata drive used on an ide channel. I think you mistook that for running an ide drive on a sata port. Serial ATA drives are still bound very much to the ATA100 limitations even while those are on a faster bus. But there you are working with an ide drive that will simply plug into one of the connector on the standard ribbon cable where the jumper on the rear of the drive is set to master(MA, MS) or slave(SA often) as marked on the casing itself depending on the end or middle connector used. Your option there is to master the drive at the end and use the preferred optical drive on the center connector as a slave until deciding which way you will go like replacing the hard drive with a sata model or replacing one or two optical drives with the sata version. Most will simply upgrade to a sata hard drive when they can and even consider replacing one or both of the optical drives over a period of time to go for the thinner sata type cables with the better air flow and convenience. For the present time simply running the ide hard drive with one optical will work until you decide on what sata drives you will eventually go for. The sata to ide adapters are mainly intended for using a sata type drive on an older board that lacks any sata ports to allow use under that type of circumstance while a quick look at all newer boards out show at least 4 sata ports and now lean on only one ide channel mainly for optical drives or even slaving in an old ide HD for retrieving files from an old system. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 03:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
csmdew Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 124	My problem is then why soes it say connect to ide hd and then connect to sata connector, matter of fact they even include the sata cable with the unit. They have ide to sata and sata to ide listed differently, so why are they listed then. They also sell a pcie card that allows u to connect 2 more ide devices or 2 more sata items but due to size of vid card the pcies are pretty much unaccesible. Buying the hds are not problem (cash wise) but I have several new ide hds with no home for them and I hate to waste money. This just doesn't make sense: "Quote" Attach these mini converter boards to back of all types of ATAPI, ATA/133, ATA/100, ATA/66, ATA/33, EIDE and IDE storage devices (such as Hard Disk, DVD, DVD-RAM, CD-ROM, CD-RW, MO, ?.) and make them become new Serial ATA Devices which meet new Serial ATA standards, Converts Serial ATA to parallel ATA / IDE Bridge. Plug directly to IDE hard-disk, connect it to your motherboard's SATA socket with SATA cable. Fits for 3.5" IDE Hard Driver. Supports ATA 100/1300 "quote". More research is needed I guess. __________________ MB--Gigabyte MA770 DS3 CPU--Amd 5000 Black Edition Mem--4GB Crucial PC2-6400 GPU--XFC GeForce 8600GT Case--Black Smilodon w/5 fans Last edited by csmdew; 05-13-2008 at 03:44 AM.

05-13-2008, 04:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,005	That sounds more like an addon PCI type controller card not a converter. Since that will run both types of drives sata as well as ide the controller card itself would see a cable going out to one or two sata ports when you use sata drives with it. For ide however that might utilize sata ports simply by it's own method of adapting ide to sata to enable use of ide drives while still going through sata ports. But that has a controller card's circuitry seen there while a direct adapter only allows a sata to be used by way of an ide channel. two different items altogether. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 05:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
csmdew Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 124	The link is the item and it say converter not controller so that it what I was trying to get the info on. I bought it but no matter what I hook it it does not show up in bios, might be bad item or whatever. I'm hooked up now with a pcie controller with ide and have 1 dvd on it and the other dvd and hd on the mb ide connector. Would put both on card but cable not long enough (got at least 20 cables and no long ones). Still want to go with that converter card though and will keep trying to get it to work. thanks __________________ MB--Gigabyte MA770 DS3 CPU--Amd 5000 Black Edition Mem--4GB Crucial PC2-6400 GPU--XFC GeForce 8600GT Case--Black Smilodon w/5 fans

05-13-2008, 05:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,005	The converter won't work since that is for sata on ide while you are trying the reverse. The controller card being discussed would be a card capable of using sata ports even when an ide is present by acting as the intermediary there. The converter on the other hand is a one to one direct connection. Often the controller cards added in are mainly for RAID where two drives see one logical drive spread across the two synced together. But they can be used to see additional ide drives added on as well. Your option with a number of ide hard drives where two can easily go on one ide channel would be to see two sata type optical drives replace the current pair since the cost on those is under $30 for just about any of them at this point. You get to put to use the ide hard drives onhand while still seeing two opticals at the same time. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

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