PCIe and PCIe 2.0

lovely? · 05-13-2008, 05:27 AM

another thing, is according to that chart, he wont lose gobs of framerates, it will actually be quite decent still.

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 05:42 AM

Without an SLI setup on that board all that is available is the 8 lines and not any further towards the 16x capability of even a single 1.1 model card. Now compare that to what would be lost with a brand new high end 2.0 card to see how that analogy hits the mark especially for planning out a gaming build.

Are you going to rush out and spend $300+ on a new high end 2.0 card while a single $125 1.1 card can't even benefit from the lack of performance on a specific board? The best move with intent on the latest card is to go with a board that actually offers support for the new line as well as seeing all 16 lines available when using a single card by itself since there is no plans on SLI.

Unfortunately that vendor only offers a limited selection of boards to begin with. The Asus M3A however is a PCI-E 2.0 board while seeing an AMD not nForce chipset as seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=65&id=1172

The memory standard is 1066/800/667/533 over the MSI model's 800/667/533 as another plus to add along with the one main item of concern namely support for the 9800 GTX. I can imagine the price factor of 89.99 over 49 pounds is the main drawback however. That's where shopping around to look at what other vendors have for specials could be a help.

StrangleHold · 05-13-2008, 05:49 AM

PC eye he already has the board (read man). Hes updating his video card. He can always use the card if he updates his board at a later date. Its true it will hinder the performance of the card but your example is way off the mark. And you can keep saying the same crap over and over, it doesnt change anything.

jutnm · 05-13-2008, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrangleHold

PC eye he already has the board (read man). Hes updating his video card. He can always use the card if he updates his board at a later date. Its true it will hinder the performance of the card but your example is way off the mark. And you can keep saying the same crap over and over, it doesnt change anything.

no efense to PC EYE, i dont really quite understand what he says some times , no effense again. but all in lames term. becaue my board is a bit old and has only PCiE 1.0 quality, getn a PCIe 2.0 card will be hindered by the mobo and i wont get the true quality and performance of the GPU

StrangleHold · 05-13-2008, 06:19 AM

Not for sure if its a PCIe 1.0-1.1 or 1.1a but the biggest hit you will take is that it only has 8 lanes instead of 16. With a 9800 you probable will get a performance hit but if you have the bucks go for it. You can always update your board later. Just make sure you have a good enough P/S. It might be a good idea to email them and make sure its 8 lane compatible.

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 06:28 AM

Like I mentioned from the start the card will run but in a very limited capacity seeing an even larger performance drop then a 1.1 card due to the bus and the SLI mandate that board seems to have to go past the 8x mode when a single card is used. When you finally are able to upgrade then the full potential of the newer high end card will then start to be seen.

The question now is where you will find a 9800 GTX card since the top end card found at the UK vendor you posted is the PNY 8800 GT 512mb model seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=92&id=1168 Newegg doesn't ship out of the US.

StrangleHold · 05-13-2008, 06:38 AM

Why do you keep saying SLI. His board is not a SLI board. Its limited to 8 lanes because it has a nforce 405 chip. Has nothing to do if it has SLI or not. A 405 chip cant run SLI.

jutnm · 05-13-2008, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

Like I mentioned from the start the card will run but in a very limited capacity seeing an even larger performance drop then a 1.1 card due to the bus and the SLI mandate that board seems to have to go past the 8x mode when a single card is used. When you finally are able to upgrade then the full potential of the newer high end card will then start to be seen.

The question now is where you will find a 9800 GTX card since the top end card found at the UK vendor you posted is the PNY 8800 GT 512mb model seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=92&id=1168 Newegg doesn't ship out of the US.

oooo ok i understand that part, but naw i live in CALI USA, i just wanted to show u the board i have since newegg doesnt hold that product anymore. But im going with EVGA

heard good things aboutem

PC eye · 05-14-2008, 11:19 PM

eVGA makes some great cards as well as BGF and MSI. Once you are ready to upgrade the board and have the money for that the price will most likely have come down even further on that same model. $300+ is seen now since the line just came out but will drop once the next line is seen. In a couple of months the same card could seen for $250- or less if you catch a sale at that time.

You may as well want to plan ahead since the upgrade of board may likely see a cpu and memory change on top of the new card. That way you end up with a good mix for a new card to go with. That's when you will see the full potential once on a board that sees all 16 not just the 8x mode available.

For the present board while not being an SLI capable model with only one slot you can see where it would take SLI to go above the 8x mode. But you shop around a little to see if you spot a deal on a PCI-E 2.0 board in the meantime.

As for an older board no longer seen at newegg just run a search and you'll usually find a link to the manufacturer's own product or support page for looking up a particular model. Then you have the specifications there to look over since vendors sometimes make a goof when printing those up.

jutnm · 05-15-2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

eVGA makes some great cards as well as BGF and MSI. Once you are ready to upgrade the board and have the money for that the price will most likely have come down even further on that same model. $300+ is seen now since the line just came out but will drop once the next line is seen. In a couple of months the same card could seen for $250- or less if you catch a sale at that time.

You may as well want to plan ahead since the upgrade of board may likely see a cpu and memory change on top of the new card. That way you end up with a good mix for a new card to go with. That's when you will see the full potential once on a board that sees all 16 not just the 8x mode available.

For the present board while not being an SLI capable model with only one slot you can see where it would take SLI to go above the 8x mode. But you shop around a little to see if you spot a deal on a PCI-E 2.0 board in the meantime.

As for an older board no longer seen at newegg just run a search and you'll usually find a link to the manufacturer's own product or support page for looking up a particular model. Then you have the specifications there to look over since vendors sometimes make a goof when printing those up.

but the boards for socket AM2 that hold PCIE2.0 are to expensive, but i found the perfect card that can give me the great graphics(9600GT)

thanks for all ur help thouhg PC Eye

05-13-2008, 05:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
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05-13-2008, 05:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,730	Without an SLI setup on that board all that is available is the 8 lines and not any further towards the 16x capability of even a single 1.1 model card. Now compare that to what would be lost with a brand new high end 2.0 card to see how that analogy hits the mark especially for planning out a gaming build. Are you going to rush out and spend $300+ on a new high end 2.0 card while a single $125 1.1 card can't even benefit from the lack of performance on a specific board? The best move with intent on the latest card is to go with a board that actually offers support for the new line as well as seeing all 16 lines available when using a single card by itself since there is no plans on SLI. Unfortunately that vendor only offers a limited selection of boards to begin with. The Asus M3A however is a PCI-E 2.0 board while seeing an AMD not nForce chipset as seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=65&id=1172 The memory standard is 1066/800/667/533 over the MSI model's 800/667/533 as another plus to add along with the one main item of concern namely support for the 9800 GTX. I can imagine the price factor of 89.99 over 49 pounds is the main drawback however. That's where shopping around to look at what other vendors have for specials could be a help. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

05-13-2008, 05:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a realm of unknown Wonders Posts: 7,542	PC eye he already has the board (read man). Hes updating his video card. He can always use the card if he updates his board at a later date. Its true it will hinder the performance of the card but your example is way off the mark. And you can keep saying the same crap over and over, it doesnt change anything. __________________ NZXT Apollo Athlon 64 X2 5600-3.3ghz. Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 1066-944mhz. 4gbs. PNY 8800GT/VD964 Cooler W/D Sata 3.0 500gb RE2 Humans are curious creatures and by nature insane. Lock us all in a room together and within hours we're dividing into groups, creating Gods and plotting on how to kill one another.

05-13-2008, 06:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a realm of unknown Wonders Posts: 7,542	Not for sure if its a PCIe 1.0-1.1 or 1.1a but the biggest hit you will take is that it only has 8 lanes instead of 16. With a 9800 you probable will get a performance hit but if you have the bucks go for it. You can always update your board later. Just make sure you have a good enough P/S. It might be a good idea to email them and make sure its 8 lane compatible. __________________ NZXT Apollo Athlon 64 X2 5600-3.3ghz. Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 1066-944mhz. 4gbs. PNY 8800GT/VD964 Cooler W/D Sata 3.0 500gb RE2 Humans are curious creatures and by nature insane. Lock us all in a room together and within hours we're dividing into groups, creating Gods and plotting on how to kill one another. Last edited by StrangleHold; 05-13-2008 at 06:22 AM.

05-13-2008, 06:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,730	Like I mentioned from the start the card will run but in a very limited capacity seeing an even larger performance drop then a 1.1 card due to the bus and the SLI mandate that board seems to have to go past the 8x mode when a single card is used. When you finally are able to upgrade then the full potential of the newer high end card will then start to be seen. The question now is where you will find a 9800 GTX card since the top end card found at the UK vendor you posted is the PNY 8800 GT 512mb model seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=92&id=1168 Newegg doesn't ship out of the US. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

05-13-2008, 06:38 AM	#17 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a realm of unknown Wonders Posts: 7,542	Why do you keep saying SLI. His board is not a SLI board. Its limited to 8 lanes because it has a nforce 405 chip. Has nothing to do if it has SLI or not. A 405 chip cant run SLI. __________________ NZXT Apollo Athlon 64 X2 5600-3.3ghz. Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 1066-944mhz. 4gbs. PNY 8800GT/VD964 Cooler W/D Sata 3.0 500gb RE2 Humans are curious creatures and by nature insane. Lock us all in a room together and within hours we're dividing into groups, creating Gods and plotting on how to kill one another. Last edited by StrangleHold; 05-13-2008 at 06:42 AM.

05-14-2008, 11:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,730	eVGA makes some great cards as well as BGF and MSI. Once you are ready to upgrade the board and have the money for that the price will most likely have come down even further on that same model. $300+ is seen now since the line just came out but will drop once the next line is seen. In a couple of months the same card could seen for $250- or less if you catch a sale at that time. You may as well want to plan ahead since the upgrade of board may likely see a cpu and memory change on top of the new card. That way you end up with a good mix for a new card to go with. That's when you will see the full potential once on a board that sees all 16 not just the 8x mode available. For the present board while not being an SLI capable model with only one slot you can see where it would take SLI to go above the 8x mode. But you shop around a little to see if you spot a deal on a PCI-E 2.0 board in the meantime. As for an older board no longer seen at newegg just run a search and you'll usually find a link to the manufacturer's own product or support page for looking up a particular model. Then you have the specifications there to look over since vendors sometimes make a goof when printing those up. __________________ Turning the Tongue into a Device Controller http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sma...ory?id=5647175 Is EBay going out of the Auction Business? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5626840&page=1

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