PCIe and PCIe 2.0

jutnm · 05-13-2008, 01:55 AM

so im looking to upgrading my VideoCard to this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130350

but my mobo is not really old, i got it last year , but its not PCIe2.0 - can i still use this videocard on my MOBO even if it doesnt specify 2.0

my mobo is
MSI K9N6GM VClass SERIES
http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=65&id=1167

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 02:01 AM

The card itself will still work on a PCI-E 1.0-1.1 board while not seeing it's full potential since cards are backwards compatible by design to allow for replacement on older systems. Once you eventually upgrade the board, cpu, memory, etc. you could then see more out of a newer model card.

jutnm · 05-13-2008, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

The card itself will still work on a PCI-E 1.0-1.1 board while not seeing it's full potential since cards are backwards compatible by design to allow for replacement on older systems. Once you eventually upgrade the board, cpu, memory, etc. you could then see more out of a newer model card.

so ur saying is , it wont show its true potential, but will it still be great ?

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 03:16 AM

I don't quite think you would see the performance you would out of an 8800GTS 640mb 1.0-1.1 card while you would have the latest DX10 ready card onhand. The 2.0 and eventually 3.0 to be realized would see the full performance value there while the card should work as a good mid range until then.

MSI Reminds You...
• K9N6SGM-V doesn't support ATI X550, x1050, X700, X800, X850 and X1800XL series graphic cards.
http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/index.p...=1&cat2_no=171#

That shows right there that the board itself is leaning on the Radeon 2xxx and 3xxx series cards for ATI and 8xxx series NVidia models while being by the looks so far as a 1.1 model.

Slots •One PCI Express X16 slot (Run at x8 mode) (Due to the specification of the chipset, ATI X8xx, X7xx, X5xx, and X3xx series graphic card will not be supported.) •One PCI Express X1 slots •Two 32-bit Master 3.3v/5v PCI Bus slots
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...SGM-V&class=mb

jutnm · 05-13-2008, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

I don't quite think you would see the performance you would out of an 8800GTS 640mb 1.0-1.1 card while you would have the latest DX10 ready card onhand. The 2.0 and eventually 3.0 to be realized would see the full performance value there while the card should work as a good mid range until then.

MSI Reminds You...
• K9N6SGM-V doesn't support ATI X550, x1050, X700, X800, X850 and X1800XL series graphic cards.
http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/index.p...=1&cat2_no=171#

That shows right there that the board itself is leaning on the Radeon 2xxx and 3xxx series cards for ATI and 8xxx series NVidia models while being by the looks so far as a 1.1 model.

Slots •One PCI Express X16 slot (Run at x8 mode) (Due to the specification of the chipset, ATI X8xx, X7xx, X5xx, and X3xx series graphic card will not be supported.) •One PCI Express X1 slots •Two 32-bit Master 3.3v/5v PCI Bus slots
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...SGM-V&class=mb

im sorry for my imcompetance but are u trying to say "NO you wont get good performance out of it since ur PCIE is 1.0 ............

"

StrangleHold · 05-13-2008, 04:17 AM

Simple version. You have a PCIe X16 slot that only has 8 lanes instead of 16 plus its not PCIe 2.0. So both factors together might hinder the performance of the card. But to say you would get better performance with a 8800GTS 640mb card is completely unknown and stupid to say.

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 04:24 AM

The card will likely backwards itself to the 1.0-1.1 and run like a half way decent card but won't see the performance gain you would be looking for. That would come with the 2.0 bus where the full potential for any of the newer cards coming out.

The older model Radeons are definitely ruled out as the MIS specifications point out while not mentioning any of the older NVidia models. In fact the "runs in 8x mode" suggests that a 1.0-1.1 card would run like an AGP 8x card on that model board. The 9800 GTX would certainly seem to be overkill there.

StrangleHold · 05-13-2008, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

In fact the "runs in 8x mode" suggests that a 1.0-1.1 card would run like an AGP 8x card on that model board. The 9800 GTX would certainly seem to be overkill there.

You cant compare AGP X8 to PCIe with 8 lanes. The bandwidth of PCIe 8 lanes stomps the bandwidth of AGP X8, there no comparison.

PC eye · 05-13-2008, 04:43 AM

The point there is that the board won't even offer the best value for a 1.1 card seeing it limited to the 8x mode for a PCI-E 16x capable card. You may as well liken it to running an AGP card in that sense since the performance value isn't there to start with. I think a good look at some other boards offering more would be the thought along those lines.

StrangleHold · 05-13-2008, 04:59 AM

All thats true but PCIe X8 has alot more bandwidth than AGP X8. But just to (make up) statistics isnt the way to do it PC eye.

05-13-2008, 01:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
jutnm Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anahiem Hills Posts: 1,456	PCIe and PCIe 2.0 so im looking to upgrading my VideoCard to this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130350 but my mobo is not really old, i got it last year , but its not PCIe2.0 - can i still use this videocard on my MOBO even if it doesnt specify 2.0 my mobo is MSI K9N6GM VClass SERIES http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scr..._id=65&id=1167 __________________ 1. AMD ATHLON 4600 X2 ~ 2.4 GHz 2. HIS ATI RADEON 1650 IceQ Pro Turbo 512Mb <> PNY 9600GT 3. 2 Gb of RAM A~DATA PC6400 4. MOBO-MSI K9N6GM VClass SERIES 5. 550 WATT LOGYSIS PSU 6. MAXTOR 320 GB HDD 7. Windows Vista ULTIMATE 8. Logitech 5.1 X-530 Surround Sound System 9.Ultra eTorque ATX Case (provided by gf "P) Last edited by jutnm; 05-13-2008 at 01:58 AM.

05-13-2008, 02:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,998	The card itself will still work on a PCI-E 1.0-1.1 board while not seeing it's full potential since cards are backwards compatible by design to allow for replacement on older systems. Once you eventually upgrade the board, cpu, memory, etc. you could then see more out of a newer model card. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 03:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,998	I don't quite think you would see the performance you would out of an 8800GTS 640mb 1.0-1.1 card while you would have the latest DX10 ready card onhand. The 2.0 and eventually 3.0 to be realized would see the full performance value there while the card should work as a good mid range until then. MSI Reminds You... • K9N6SGM-V doesn't support ATI X550, x1050, X700, X800, X850 and X1800XL series graphic cards. http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/index.p...=1&cat2_no=171# That shows right there that the board itself is leaning on the Radeon 2xxx and 3xxx series cards for ATI and 8xxx series NVidia models while being by the looks so far as a 1.1 model. Slots •One PCI Express X16 slot (Run at x8 mode) (Due to the specification of the chipset, ATI X8xx, X7xx, X5xx, and X3xx series graphic card will not be supported.) •One PCI Express X1 slots •Two 32-bit Master 3.3v/5v PCI Bus slots http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...SGM-V&class=mb __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 04:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a realm of unknown Wonders Posts: 6,813	Simple version. You have a PCIe X16 slot that only has 8 lanes instead of 16 plus its not PCIe 2.0. So both factors together might hinder the performance of the card. But to say you would get better performance with a 8800GTS 640mb card is completely unknown and stupid to say. __________________ NZXT Apollo Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 800 2gb XFX 8800GT Spinpoint F1 500gb. Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

05-13-2008, 04:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,998	The card will likely backwards itself to the 1.0-1.1 and run like a half way decent card but won't see the performance gain you would be looking for. That would come with the 2.0 bus where the full potential for any of the newer cards coming out. The older model Radeons are definitely ruled out as the MIS specifications point out while not mentioning any of the older NVidia models. In fact the "runs in 8x mode" suggests that a 1.0-1.1 card would run like an AGP 8x card on that model board. The 9800 GTX would certainly seem to be overkill there. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 04:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,998	The point there is that the board won't even offer the best value for a 1.1 card seeing it limited to the 8x mode for a PCI-E 16x capable card. You may as well liken it to running an AGP card in that sense since the performance value isn't there to start with. I think a good look at some other boards offering more would be the thought along those lines. __________________ Youtube falls short of Google's expectations http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5336532 Congress studies how people track your online use http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Ahe...ory?id=5337932

05-13-2008, 04:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a realm of unknown Wonders Posts: 6,813	All thats true but PCIe X8 has alot more bandwidth than AGP X8. But just to (make up) statistics isnt the way to do it PC eye. __________________ NZXT Apollo Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 800 2gb XFX 8800GT Spinpoint F1 500gb. Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

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