ATTN: All gamers and parents...

tlarkin · 05-16-2008, 09:07 PM

This book seems to be the first non biased actual study of the relation between growing up and playing violent video games...

I am going to buy it with in the next few weeks and see if I can't pick it up locally at a used book store first.

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-Ch...0968391&sr=8-1

GameMaster · 05-16-2008, 09:09 PM

Let me guess: It's not good to play violent games especially not Grand Theft Auto

tlarkin · 05-16-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Let me guess: It's not good to play violent games especially not Grand Theft Auto

Did you actually read the review? No it doesn't say that at all. In fact the more I read about the more I want to go pick it up. They didn't conclude a one prescription fix to violent or addictive video games and they studied it from all aspects.

lovely? · 05-16-2008, 09:46 PM

A review I read on it makes it seem like a very good read. The conclusion to parents is to simply relax and let their children play the games, because real world tests do not conclude that violent video games play out in real life. In fact, since the introduction of video games, violence has dropped significantly.

But the politicians and anti-game authorities need to stop preying on mothers and fathers that are worried about their child's well-being by telling them that video games will hurt their child. It's wrong.

The book also sheds light on all of the agenda driven studies done before by scientists and politicians that were payed or influenced by some type of anti-gaming propaganda. It's very interesting and I'm definitely gonna pick this book up.

tlarkin · 05-16-2008, 10:20 PM

Yeah, the beginning of the book apparently just debunks all those bogus studies to begin with, then goes on to say what they found in different social and family situations with people playing games.

PunterCam · 05-16-2008, 10:27 PM

Whether they cause violent behaviour or not, kids shouldn't be given free reign to play games.

It's fairly obvious that it's gonna stunt social development, and there are far more entertaining things to do in the real world. The number of friends I have who have either kids of their own, or young brothers, and let them play games for 6 hours or more a day is astounding, and wrong. Now it's become an easy way for parents to keep their kids entertained, and I don't think it's right.

tlarkin · 05-16-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PunterCam

Whether they cause violent behaviour or not, kids shouldn't be given free reign to play games.

It's fairly obvious that it's gonna stunt social development, and there are far more entertaining things to do in the real world. The number of friends I have who have either kids of their own, or young brothers, and let them play games for 6 hours or more a day is astounding, and wrong. Now it's become an easy way for parents to keep their kids entertained, and I don't think it's right.

Actually, this book found the opposite, that in many situations gaming helped develop kids social skills a lot. For one, some games have tons of AI interaction, where you are in social situations. This allows for the gamer to be in no pressure situation and can solve and interact in virtual social environment. Since games are obviously popular amongst kids, it also gives them something to be social about while at school with other kids playing the certain game. However, they found this most common with kids who weren't hard core gamers, just ones who tended to play casually.

There is a duality though, and those addicted to the online games probably do suffer a lot from social interactions, and are probably socially awkward. Those that play 5 to 9 hours a day have an addiction, and yeah that can develop into other problems.

I need to go buy this damn book, but no one locally has it and I hate chain book stores, so looks like Amazon.com will get my money.

lovely? · 05-17-2008, 12:13 AM

barnes and noble is allright, i think i'll be getting it there.

would you call me addicted? i just played for two hours, im not gonna play again or on the weekend, but sometimes i can play for up to four-six hours at night once or twice a week if there is nothing to do.

PunterCam · 05-17-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tlarkin

Actually, this book found the opposite, that in many situations gaming helped develop kids social skills a lot. For one, some games have tons of AI interaction, where you are in social situations. This allows for the gamer to be in no pressure situation and can solve and interact in virtual social environment. Since games are obviously popular amongst kids, it also gives them something to be social about while at school with other kids playing the certain game. However, they found this most common with kids who weren't hard core gamers, just ones who tended to play casually.

There is a duality though, and those addicted to the online games probably do suffer a lot from social interactions, and are probably socially awkward. Those that play 5 to 9 hours a day have an addiction, and yeah that can develop into other problems.

I need to go buy this damn book, but no one locally has it and I hate chain book stores, so looks like Amazon.com will get my money.

Casual or social gaming is completely fine - I spent loads of my youth playing mariokart and goldeneye with mates, great fun - but I think any argument trying to justify gaming as a substitute to real world interaction is completely stupid.
The argument for interaction with ai characters in a no pressure environment is understandable, but the world is a pressure environment; knowing how to react and being able to are two very different things.

I haven't read the book, but I hope it simply presents common sense, and not a completely one sided ¨gaming will allow your child to become a rocket scientist, sports superstar, and world famous musician all at once¨ argument.

Yoonsi · 05-17-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PunterCam

Casual or social gaming is completely fine - I spent loads of my youth playing mariokart and goldeneye with mates, great fun - but I think any argument trying to justify gaming as a substitute to real world interaction is completely stupid.
The argument for interaction with ai characters in a no pressure environment is understandable, but the world is a pressure environment; knowing how to react and being able to are two very different things.

I haven't read the book, but I hope it simply presents common sense, and not a completely one sided ¨gaming will allow your child to become a rocket scientist, sports superstar, and world famous musician all at once¨ argument.

Ah but if you have more fun in the game than in reality, why not spend more time in the game?

(I really dont know hehe)

I think it looks interesting, I'm going to try and get my hands on a copy.

05-16-2008, 09:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
tlarkin VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 6,056	ATTN: All gamers and parents... This book seems to be the first non biased actual study of the relation between growing up and playing violent video games... I am going to buy it with in the next few weeks and see if I can't pick it up locally at a used book store first. http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-Ch...0968391&sr=8-1

05-16-2008, 09:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
lovely? Diamond Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Age: 15 Posts: 3,737	A review I read on it makes it seem like a very good read. The conclusion to parents is to simply relax and let their children play the games, because real world tests do not conclude that violent video games play out in real life. In fact, since the introduction of video games, violence has dropped significantly. But the politicians and anti-game authorities need to stop preying on mothers and fathers that are worried about their child's well-being by telling them that video games will hurt their child. It's wrong. The book also sheds light on all of the agenda driven studies done before by scientists and politicians that were payed or influenced by some type of anti-gaming propaganda. It's very interesting and I'm definitely gonna pick this book up. __________________ E4500 @ 2.93GHZ ASUS P5K-DELUXE 2GB OCZ Reaper CL3 @ 800MHZ 3-4-4-15 eVGA 8800GT OZC GameXStream 700W PSU 320GB WD Caviar SATA, 80GB WD Caviar IDE Sometimes scientists make things alot harder than they need to. All they've gotta do is put a big spring on the ground where they think it's gonna land, or send a mission to the moon to erect a sign that says "Welcome to Earth". Last edited by lovely?; 05-16-2008 at 09:48 PM.

05-16-2008, 10:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
PunterCam Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 425	Whether they cause violent behaviour or not, kids shouldn't be given free reign to play games. It's fairly obvious that it's gonna stunt social development, and there are far more entertaining things to do in the real world. The number of friends I have who have either kids of their own, or young brothers, and let them play games for 6 hours or more a day is astounding, and wrong. Now it's become an easy way for parents to keep their kids entertained, and I don't think it's right. __________________ 2006 Mac Pro Dual, dual core xeons @ 2.0Ghz each 2Gb Ram (I'm too poor) NVidia Geforce 7300Gt 256mb Onboard Sound - optical out to Logitech Z5500 Digidesign MBox2 output to PMCs 250Gb Drive running both Mac OSX and Windows on seperate partitions, 400Gb Seagate Drive for Windows, 400Gb WD Drive for OSX 24¨ Acer AL2416W (not nearly as bad as you'd think) Various Lacie external drives

05-17-2008, 12:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
lovely? Diamond Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Age: 15 Posts: 3,737	barnes and noble is allright, i think i'll be getting it there. would you call me addicted? i just played for two hours, im not gonna play again or on the weekend, but sometimes i can play for up to four-six hours at night once or twice a week if there is nothing to do. __________________ E4500 @ 2.93GHZ ASUS P5K-DELUXE 2GB OCZ Reaper CL3 @ 800MHZ 3-4-4-15 eVGA 8800GT OZC GameXStream 700W PSU 320GB WD Caviar SATA, 80GB WD Caviar IDE Sometimes scientists make things alot harder than they need to. All they've gotta do is put a big spring on the ground where they think it's gonna land, or send a mission to the moon to erect a sign that says "Welcome to Earth".

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05-16-2008, 10:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
tlarkin VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 6,056	Yeah, the beginning of the book apparently just debunks all those bogus studies to begin with, then goes on to say what they found in different social and family situations with people playing games.