Workstation.

just a noob · 07-21-2008, 10:14 PM

skulltrail is just a dressed up server mobo, it has more features, its the 5400 chipset as far as i know, if you feel like it, i believe you can sli the the quadros's too, if its truly unlimited, you should get 5 ssd's for the os and software and put them in raid 5, then get a 1tb drive for storage, i dont know how well the raid controllers play with the server boards either.
p.s.-the reason i was so late getting on is my satillite internet dropped through the sky

Kesava · 07-22-2008, 02:48 AM

haha... so lets put it this way. i wouldnt like to spend over $7000 USD

now if there are 20-30 of these in a room im thinking you might want to have like a ghost image that can be quickly reinstalled whenever is necessary right?
if that did happen then it wouldnt really be possible for the users to save their work on the systems themselves right? as you never know when the computer might get re-ghosted. so what would happen about that?

would quadro sli be worth it then?

basically... in maya 3d, is the rendering gonna benefit enough to justify 2 cpu's and 2 quadro's?

just a noob · 07-22-2008, 01:27 PM

the more graphics cores there are, the less workload on the cpu's, and if you can backup everything every night or something like that a bunch of raptor x's could be justified, im thinking around 6 or there are some 15k drives around, i cant remember what they're called, but i can remember they werent cheap, so mabye 4 or them or something and a 500gb for storage
edit: what do you mean by ghosting, backing something up/cloning it, and where are these going to be used exactly?

Kesava · 07-22-2008, 01:39 PM

right now im thinking if having to systems.

one with a Quadro and more ram for Maya. and another one just for autocad.

the plan is to have like 2 labs.

with say... 20 identical systems in each.
one lab for autocad. another for maya.

for each lab you would have a hard drive image containing everything necessary installed. then whenever you needed to you could re-image the hard drive and it would be sort of fresh.

i would like each user to have to login to the system and when the saved there work it would be on their own "drive" that would be stored on the servers.

so no data was actually saved on the systems themselves. therefore allowing them to be re-imaged at any time

just a noob · 07-22-2008, 01:48 PM

seems to me the computers at school are this way, as in they only save the os word and some other programs, so if we want to save anything we have to save it to a flash drive or the server, i think another computer that can save all the information for a user would also be a good idea, probably wouldnt have to be very powerful, 4600+ and maybe a gig of ram and a couble terabyte drives would make a decent server

Kesava · 07-24-2008, 12:44 PM

how about mac's for a workstation?
would a mac pro offer decent performance?
it can have dual xeon cpu's and an FX5600

but its more expensive

i have noticed that Maya will run on mac. autocad will not.

so is there a mac equivelent of autocad that alot of mac users use that i dont know about? or arent mac's used for that sort of programming?

Kesava · 07-24-2008, 01:17 PM

also are alot of professionals trained to use maya on a mac? or is it mainly windows?

Kesava · 07-24-2008, 02:33 PM

and yet another question.

3ds max or maya?

this software will be used to make 3d versions of autodesk designs...

basically as a promotional thing.

like just imaging a house is designed in autocad... that will then be used to build it.

but then someone will come along in maya or 3ds max and make a 3d version of it so people can look at it in detail or it can appear as part of a presentation on a new house design or something...

so for that use, which would be better?

just a noob · 07-24-2008, 09:31 PM

stick with homebuilt, i know the macs are appealing, but i the only thing i would use them for is audio editing, and there are new fb-dimms out now, $260 for 4gb of fb-dimms@800mhz rather than 667mhz

Kesava · 07-25-2008, 02:44 AM

ok then yeah i wont go apple.

so 3ds Max or Maya?

which one would be better for modeling buildings and then flying a camera round the whole thing and record what the camera is seeing?

i have done this in 3ds max many times... but never used maya. so whats gonna be better for that sorta task?

07-21-2008, 10:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
just a noob Diamond Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cardboard mansion Posts: 1,599	skulltrail is just a dressed up server mobo, it has more features, its the 5400 chipset as far as i know, if you feel like it, i believe you can sli the the quadros's too, if its truly unlimited, you should get 5 ssd's for the os and software and put them in raid 5, then get a 1tb drive for storage, i dont know how well the raid controllers play with the server boards either. p.s.-the reason i was so late getting on is my satillite internet dropped through the sky __________________ FUGGER/K\|ngp\|n '08

07-22-2008, 02:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kesava Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: India Age: 17 Posts: 3,352	haha... so lets put it this way. i wouldnt like to spend over $7000 USD now if there are 20-30 of these in a room im thinking you might want to have like a ghost image that can be quickly reinstalled whenever is necessary right? if that did happen then it wouldnt really be possible for the users to save their work on the systems themselves right? as you never know when the computer might get re-ghosted. so what would happen about that? would quadro sli be worth it then? basically... in maya 3d, is the rendering gonna benefit enough to justify 2 cpu's and 2 quadro's? __________________ Following my advice will harm your computer. Cpu:Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz @ 3.4Ghz Hsf:Zalman CNPS 9700 LED Ram:Generic 2 Gb 800 Mhz Gpu:XFX 8800 GT 512mb @ 700/1750/2000 Mobo:Gigabyte P31-DS3L OS:OSX 10.5.2 3dMark06:13518 MSN=kesava8@hotmail.com AIM=kesava8

07-22-2008, 01:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
just a noob Diamond Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cardboard mansion Posts: 1,599	the more graphics cores there are, the less workload on the cpu's, and if you can backup everything every night or something like that a bunch of raptor x's could be justified, im thinking around 6 or there are some 15k drives around, i cant remember what they're called, but i can remember they werent cheap, so mabye 4 or them or something and a 500gb for storage edit: what do you mean by ghosting, backing something up/cloning it, and where are these going to be used exactly? __________________ FUGGER/K\|ngp\|n '08 Last edited by just a noob; 07-22-2008 at 01:33 PM.

07-22-2008, 01:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kesava Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: India Age: 17 Posts: 3,352	right now im thinking if having to systems. one with a Quadro and more ram for Maya. and another one just for autocad. the plan is to have like 2 labs. with say... 20 identical systems in each. one lab for autocad. another for maya. for each lab you would have a hard drive image containing everything necessary installed. then whenever you needed to you could re-image the hard drive and it would be sort of fresh. i would like each user to have to login to the system and when the saved there work it would be on their own "drive" that would be stored on the servers. so no data was actually saved on the systems themselves. therefore allowing them to be re-imaged at any time __________________ Following my advice will harm your computer. Cpu:Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz @ 3.4Ghz Hsf:Zalman CNPS 9700 LED Ram:Generic 2 Gb 800 Mhz Gpu:XFX 8800 GT 512mb @ 700/1750/2000 Mobo:Gigabyte P31-DS3L OS:OSX 10.5.2 3dMark06:13518 MSN=kesava8@hotmail.com AIM=kesava8

07-22-2008, 01:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
just a noob Diamond Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cardboard mansion Posts: 1,599	seems to me the computers at school are this way, as in they only save the os word and some other programs, so if we want to save anything we have to save it to a flash drive or the server, i think another computer that can save all the information for a user would also be a good idea, probably wouldnt have to be very powerful, 4600+ and maybe a gig of ram and a couble terabyte drives would make a decent server __________________ FUGGER/K\|ngp\|n '08

07-24-2008, 12:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Kesava Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: India Age: 17 Posts: 3,352	how about mac's for a workstation? would a mac pro offer decent performance? it can have dual xeon cpu's and an FX5600 but its more expensive i have noticed that Maya will run on mac. autocad will not. so is there a mac equivelent of autocad that alot of mac users use that i dont know about? or arent mac's used for that sort of programming? __________________ Following my advice will harm your computer. Cpu:Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz @ 3.4Ghz Hsf:Zalman CNPS 9700 LED Ram:Generic 2 Gb 800 Mhz Gpu:XFX 8800 GT 512mb @ 700/1750/2000 Mobo:Gigabyte P31-DS3L OS:OSX 10.5.2 3dMark06:13518 MSN=kesava8@hotmail.com AIM=kesava8 Last edited by Kesava; 07-24-2008 at 01:07 PM.

07-24-2008, 01:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
Kesava Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: India Age: 17 Posts: 3,352	also are alot of professionals trained to use maya on a mac? or is it mainly windows? __________________ Following my advice will harm your computer. Cpu:Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz @ 3.4Ghz Hsf:Zalman CNPS 9700 LED Ram:Generic 2 Gb 800 Mhz Gpu:XFX 8800 GT 512mb @ 700/1750/2000 Mobo:Gigabyte P31-DS3L OS:OSX 10.5.2 3dMark06:13518 MSN=kesava8@hotmail.com AIM=kesava8

07-24-2008, 02:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
Kesava Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: India Age: 17 Posts: 3,352	and yet another question. 3ds max or maya? this software will be used to make 3d versions of autodesk designs... basically as a promotional thing. like just imaging a house is designed in autocad... that will then be used to build it. but then someone will come along in maya or 3ds max and make a 3d version of it so people can look at it in detail or it can appear as part of a presentation on a new house design or something... so for that use, which would be better? __________________ Following my advice will harm your computer. Cpu:Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz @ 3.4Ghz Hsf:Zalman CNPS 9700 LED Ram:Generic 2 Gb 800 Mhz Gpu:XFX 8800 GT 512mb @ 700/1750/2000 Mobo:Gigabyte P31-DS3L OS:OSX 10.5.2 3dMark06:13518 MSN=kesava8@hotmail.com AIM=kesava8

07-24-2008, 09:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
just a noob Diamond Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cardboard mansion Posts: 1,599	stick with homebuilt, i know the macs are appealing, but i the only thing i would use them for is audio editing, and there are new fb-dimms out now, $260 for 4gb of fb-dimms@800mhz rather than 667mhz __________________ FUGGER/K\|ngp\|n '08

07-25-2008, 02:44 AM	#20 (permalink)
Kesava Diamond Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: India Age: 17 Posts: 3,352	ok then yeah i wont go apple. so 3ds Max or Maya? which one would be better for modeling buildings and then flying a camera round the whole thing and record what the camera is seeing? i have done this in 3ds max many times... but never used maya. so whats gonna be better for that sorta task? __________________ Following my advice will harm your computer. Cpu:Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz @ 3.4Ghz Hsf:Zalman CNPS 9700 LED Ram:Generic 2 Gb 800 Mhz Gpu:XFX 8800 GT 512mb @ 700/1750/2000 Mobo:Gigabyte P31-DS3L OS:OSX 10.5.2 3dMark06:13518 MSN=kesava8@hotmail.com AIM=kesava8

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