X2 5800+ vs 9550 Agena

Twist86 · 07-23-2008, 02:42 PM

Well my rig has just about seen its last days I wanted to upgrade its CPU though before I say good bye to it. Mainly making sure I have a good enough CPU for Far Cry 2 when it gets released.

I was curious my board cannot handle 125w+ CPUs so I am stuck with getting either a X2 5800+ or a Phenom 9550.

My board supports
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...&cat3_no=#menu

I attempted to OC my 2.3ghz X2 4400+ but for some reason the over clock worked like a charm all day but when the PC was turned off for more then a hour I was unable to boot back up having to pop the battery out.

So which would you recommend? I would think the Phenom since 4 cores vs 2 but would my rig really see the potential of it? Or should I shoot for a tri core?

Also I hear ppl talking about cooling phenoms with a Arctic 64 Pro is this for real? If so whats your temps. ATM my 64 with 100% CPU use for 1-2 hours using heavyload) gives about 42c temps in a 84F room.

Garethman!!` · 07-23-2008, 03:14 PM

I would get a Phenom 9550 due to the extra cores.

Twist86 · 07-24-2008, 12:32 PM

I thought so too but I was reading a few other posts and few people said with 5800/6000 that it wasn't worth getting anything lower then the 9750 phenom because of the low clock speed of anything below it.

Reason I was curious why a 2.8ghz-3ghz dual core was better then a quad.

simpletron · 07-24-2008, 02:51 PM

if that is your motherboard then you can get X2 6000+ 89 watts and X4 9750 95 watts. between these two I would get the 9750. be careful buying because there are 125 watt versions of these also, which are not supported.

the reason a faster dual core can be better than a slower quad is that a lot of application can only utilize one or two cores of a processor. a quad core would have two cores working and two cores idle while running an application that can only utilize two cores. so in this case a faster dual core is faster at that application than a quad core. future applications will utilize more cores and so in the future the dual core would have to be almost twice to make for the lack of cores. for example I would take a x2 6000+ over a x4 9150e because even in four threaded applications, the x4 9150e might not beat the x2 6000+ because of the significantly lower clock speed. my thinking is the x4 9750 is fast enough in two or less threaded applications and is faster than x2 6000+ in four threaded applications, so it is better in the long run.

here is 6000+ 89 watts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103233
I found the 9750 95 watts but they were at stores I'm not fimilar with so I'm going give a link to the amd specs page.
http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...il.aspx?id=401

Twist86 · 07-25-2008, 05:21 AM

I see thank you very much for clearing that up simpletron.

I was not aware anything higher then the 9550 was under 125w this is a lovely surprise since 2.3ghz to 2.4ghz even if it only uses 2 cores its faster then my current set up.

Thanks for sorting and helping me out

In 2 weeks when I get the funds I will get the 9750.

zer0_c00l · 07-25-2008, 02:45 PM

ya ,a phenom will kill a x2 in everything

07-23-2008, 02:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Twist86 Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 314	X2 5800+ vs 9550 Agena Well my rig has just about seen its last days I wanted to upgrade its CPU though before I say good bye to it. Mainly making sure I have a good enough CPU for Far Cry 2 when it gets released. I was curious my board cannot handle 125w+ CPUs so I am stuck with getting either a X2 5800+ or a Phenom 9550. My board supports http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...&cat3_no=#menu I attempted to OC my 2.3ghz X2 4400+ but for some reason the over clock worked like a charm all day but when the PC was turned off for more then a hour I was unable to boot back up having to pop the battery out. So which would you recommend? I would think the Phenom since 4 cores vs 2 but would my rig really see the potential of it? Or should I shoot for a tri core? Also I hear ppl talking about cooling phenoms with a Arctic 64 Pro is this for real? If so whats your temps. ATM my 64 with 100% CPU use for 1-2 hours using heavyload) gives about 42c temps in a 84F room. __________________ X2 5400 2.8GHz 8800GT 512mb SLI Seagate 7200RPM 16MB Cache 250gb 4x 1GB G-skill PC6400 DDR2 800 MSI K9N SLI V2 nForce 570LT Socket AM2 TX750w Corsair PSU Lite-on DVDRW LH-20A1S Windows Vista Ultimate x64 Last edited by Twist86; 07-23-2008 at 02:47 PM.

07-23-2008, 03:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Garethman!!` Diamond Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK and USA Age: 18 Posts: 1,059	I would get a Phenom 9550 due to the extra cores. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 / AMD Athlon 64 X2 TK-53 1.70GHz RAM : 8GB DDR2 PC6400 / 2GB DDR2-667 PC5300 A-DATA HDD : 750GB SATA Seagate Barracuda/ Western Digital Scorpio 250GB 7200RPM GPU : Radeon HD2900XT 512MB / Radeon Xpress 1150 128MB OS : Windows Vista Ultimate x64 / Windows Vista Home Premium PSU : Hiper 730W ATX / 80W Dell Laptop Power Brick

07-24-2008, 12:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Twist86 Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 314	I thought so too but I was reading a few other posts and few people said with 5800/6000 that it wasn't worth getting anything lower then the 9750 phenom because of the low clock speed of anything below it. Reason I was curious why a 2.8ghz-3ghz dual core was better then a quad. __________________ X2 5400 2.8GHz 8800GT 512mb SLI Seagate 7200RPM 16MB Cache 250gb 4x 1GB G-skill PC6400 DDR2 800 MSI K9N SLI V2 nForce 570LT Socket AM2 TX750w Corsair PSU Lite-on DVDRW LH-20A1S Windows Vista Ultimate x64

07-25-2008, 05:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
Twist86 Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 314	I see thank you very much for clearing that up simpletron. I was not aware anything higher then the 9550 was under 125w this is a lovely surprise since 2.3ghz to 2.4ghz even if it only uses 2 cores its faster then my current set up. Thanks for sorting and helping me out In 2 weeks when I get the funds I will get the 9750. __________________ X2 5400 2.8GHz 8800GT 512mb SLI Seagate 7200RPM 16MB Cache 250gb 4x 1GB G-skill PC6400 DDR2 800 MSI K9N SLI V2 nForce 570LT Socket AM2 TX750w Corsair PSU Lite-on DVDRW LH-20A1S Windows Vista Ultimate x64

07-25-2008, 02:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
zer0_c00l Platinum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 536	ya ,a phenom will kill a x2 in everything __________________ Mob:GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3L CPU:Intel E8400@3.7ghz/HSF T.T. BIG TYPHOON RAM:Mushkin pc6400@824mhz 4.4.4.11(2.1V) PSU: COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro 550 80% ef GPU: Saphire 4850 HDD:Seagate Cuda 250GB SATA 16mb cache Case:COOLER MASTER RC-690 Last edited by zer0_c00l; 07-28-2008 at 04:31 AM.

07-24-2008, 02:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
simpletron Bronze Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 45	if that is your motherboard then you can get X2 6000+ 89 watts and X4 9750 95 watts. between these two I would get the 9750. be careful buying because there are 125 watt versions of these also, which are not supported. the reason a faster dual core can be better than a slower quad is that a lot of application can only utilize one or two cores of a processor. a quad core would have two cores working and two cores idle while running an application that can only utilize two cores. so in this case a faster dual core is faster at that application than a quad core. future applications will utilize more cores and so in the future the dual core would have to be almost twice to make for the lack of cores. for example I would take a x2 6000+ over a x4 9150e because even in four threaded applications, the x4 9150e might not beat the x2 6000+ because of the significantly lower clock speed. my thinking is the x4 9750 is fast enough in two or less threaded applications and is faster than x2 6000+ in four threaded applications, so it is better in the long run. here is 6000+ 89 watts http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103233 I found the 9750 95 watts but they were at stores I'm not fimilar with so I'm going give a link to the amd specs page. http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...il.aspx?id=401

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