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Old 08-05-2004, 02:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Building my own computer

ow does this look for a setup?
Im not much of a gamer, just want a typical good computer. Thoughts on the motherboard + proscessor?

Case:
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3825
45.89

CD R/W:
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3820
30.89

DVD R/W:
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5755
128.89
OR
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=6306
95.89

Video Card:
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5286
39.89

Hard Drive:
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=1955
75.89

Processer: Either the #1 combo or #2 combo...suggestions?
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=6257 (1)
138.89

http://www.essencompu.com/nUpplysingar.asp?ID=3749 (2)
228.00


Motherboard: Either the #1 combo or #2 combo...suggestions?
http://www.essencompu.com/nUpplysingar.asp?ID=5192 (1)
179.89

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4813 (2)
95.89

Memory

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=1825
95.89

XP:
http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=1211
89.00

Im a newbe...go easy on me



What do you think?
THanks! Mike
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Old 08-05-2004, 04:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Found the same specs/brand harddrive on new egg for 63.00 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...144-122&depa=1

On the cdrom lite-on is considered one of the best but that sony cd-R is at a good price.

I sure you can find a cheaper dvd on new egg i wouldnt get that sony DvdR for that price. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-934&depa=1

For 44 bucks you can get 9200 se on newegg.

You may want to shop around and compare prices newegg.com,
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Old 08-05-2004, 04:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the headsup on prices.
Any suggestions on the Mothorboard / proscessor choices. I have 2 there?

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Old 08-05-2004, 05:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Oh Oh I beat you to it Praetor ! Praetor has spec'd out a nice budget computer here http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/93097 , Use that to help you on what parts to choose.
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Old 08-05-2004, 05:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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- You could do better than the Sony burner: too much price not enough performace. You'd be much better off with something like the LiteOn 52x32x52 or the ASUS 52x32x52
- As for the DVD burner... assuming you got one of the above burners, you've got yourself a very solid 2-sheep burner so just grab either a Pioneer107 or if you want DL support, the LiteOn SOHW-832S is a nice one (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-946&depa=1)
- For the CPU, you're prolly best off staying away from the Prescott, more cost and hassle than performance gains.
- As for the mobo there's no competeition between those two since they arent using the same chipset, the ABIT is using the Canterwood while the ASUS is back with the SpringdaleG (which isnt as good). Also note that the IC7 Max3 has an OTES system which works (ideally) if the case supports it. If you dont want/need the OTES, the IC7 Max2 is the same board just without the OTES
- You might consider either more memory or faster memory
- Nice call on the video card although I think if you dont intend to do gaming at all you should get something really cheap like a TNT2 which can prolly be had for like $15USD
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- For the CPU, you're prolly best off staying away from the Prescott, more cost and hassle than performance gains.
- As for the mobo there's no competeition between those two since they arent using the same chipset, the ABIT is using the Canterwood while the ASUS is back with the SpringdaleG (which isnt as good). Also note that the IC7 Max3 has an OTES system which works (ideally) if the case supports it. If you dont want/need the OTES, the IC7 Max2 is the same board just without the OTES
- You might consider either more memory or faster memory

Not to sound stupid. what is OTES? Man I thought I knew a little about computers...then I came here!
Guys basically here I am looking to build a decent computer for every day "stuff" no gaming or that stuff. But don't want a cookie cutter compaq POS I dont want to spend a ton either.
And what do I look for to know if the case will support the mobo? Sorry fot the lamo questions..
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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OTES
OTES is an Abit specific feature for cooling capacitors and such on their P4 boards (see http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/...es=1&model=130 for the product info/spec). It stands for outside thermal exhaust system and in short it just means that instead of "normally" just having a fan blow down on a heatsink and getting the heat off the heatsink by moving it to the case, it immediately ejects the heat from the case. If you look at the below picture you'll see a funky fan contraption right above/left-of the PS2 connectors.

That fan (attemtps to) remove the heat generated in the capactitors and coils and such so that the mobo has a clean supply of power etc. Why isnt this found on other boards? Probably because it's more of a novelty feature -- if it was absolutely critical or yielded undeniable massive performance/reliability issues than it would have been implemented on a lot more mobos.

Now the downside is that (in most cases), if you look at the back of your case, you'll realize the OTES system will actually vent heat out... directly into the backplate of the case (i dont have concrete evidence of this but i'll get to that in a sec). The reason I say this is because, comparing it to "standard" mobos, the PS2 connectors shown there are fairly normal meaning that the PS2 connectors are not "shifted to allow for room"; if someone knows better I'd like some confirmation/correction on that. The second reason I say that is because if I recall correctly, some cases are "OTES-qualified" whereas some other arent so that would suggest that some cases have "non-standard" backplates to accomodate the exhaust system (of course you can always cut the case a bit)

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Guys basically here I am looking to build a decent computer for every day "stuff" no gaming or that stuff. But don't want a cookie cutter compaq POS I dont want to spend a ton either.
Ok in that case I'd say that the IC7 Max3, although a superb board, might be a bit of overkill for you. A mobo based on the I865 (or variants) chipset would be a better choice performance/price-wise. Two such boards are the Abit AI7 and the ASUS P4P800 boards both of which are based on the i865PE chipset which for all intents and purposes is absolutely identical to the i875 used on the IC7/P4C800 flagship boards. Now if you arent gonna be OCing or doing hardcore gaming you might consider not getting the IC7Max3 and rid yourself of the potential hassle of figuring out about the case
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Then you dont really need to get into 64's. Go with a Athlon XP, the chips will be much cheaper and the mobo's more reliable and stable (since they have been out longer and problems have been worked out). If you just want something to surf around on the web and do some everyday stuff but want it to last a long time go with a 3000+. That will last you quite a while. Go with a ABit or ASUS mobo.
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Old 08-05-2004, 05:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Wow.
You guys know your $hit

thanks SO much for the great info. I will poke around, and maybe re-vamp my plans...and run them by again!

Is NewEgg about the best place to shop?

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Yes, newegg has great prices, and extremely fast shipping. Their RMA service is on point too.
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