Modern warfare 2 dedi server petition

Aastii · 10-18-2009, 11:56 AM

As just about all of you probably know, IW have f**ked over the PC gamers by not allowing dedicated servers and only using their IW.net system.

There is a petition going to get them to try and change their minds, you can sign up here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/dedis4mw/petition.html

Also, just about everyone who knows about this now is also cancelling the preorder, you don't get anything from it anyway, just get it straight away, which will be pointless because without dedi servers the online will be crap. Now obviously this is up to you, but I an many others are dropping the preorder, again in protest, so that is another option for you, but please please sign the petition

There are other things you can do too:

facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=160475627932

Steam Group: search boycott modern warfare 2 on groups and it comes up

put something about your view on the IW site (DON'T make another post, people are getting pissed at people making lots of threads, it will get deleted): http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13

Nevakonaza · 10-18-2009, 02:34 PM

Wow im shocked that they are doing this!

so does this mean that half the time there wont be any servers?

ive also got this game on pre-order.

Sighned anyway!

awildgoose · 10-18-2009, 02:36 PM

Yep signed.

Demala · 10-18-2009, 02:47 PM

signed.

linkin93 · 10-18-2009, 02:47 PM

signed.

MY EYES BURN

no wonder pc gaming is getting ass-raped.

ukulele_ninja · 10-18-2009, 03:28 PM

Signed too.

Glad I forego the PC version in favor of the 360 version.

Aastii · 10-18-2009, 04:25 PM

I got a visitor message asking what it is all about. If you don't know then i will put it all here:

http://bashandslash.com/index.php?op...745&Itemid=111

you can listen to the interview here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799

for those that don't want to read or listen, i will sumarise:

this is from Fourzerotwo who is basically the head developer of the multiplayer side of the game, so it is very trustworthy, it is from IW themselves. Basically, what he has said is this:

*
We're doing a lot on the backend to make the game accessible for everyone.
*
There is no delay for the PC version of MW2
*
There's prestige mode
*
Jason West at the MP event, said that he was dead on, on the matchmaking servers. We've been building a system on the backend called IW.NET.
*
You are completely reliant on IW.NET. There are no server lists. There are no dedicated servers.
*
You have private matches where you can customize the game
*
You cannot put MW2 on a dedicated server.
*
This is the first time we've ever done something like this and the team has huge plans for what IW.NET develops into.
*
Customizing your game...you have quite a few options in a private match
*
You're getting same game (as in Console), plus matchmaking and private match.
*
Server admin point-of view, NO DEDICATED SERVERS

I've summarized some of my own thoughts from the cast here:

General

* IW partnering through Steam is what you will see in the future. Matchmaking is not through Steam, but IW.NET is run in conjunction with Steam.
* GSP's will no longer be renting out servers.
* No PunkBuster. VAC will be used as an anti cheat.
* Retail distribution: Pre-orders will get a disk. Or you could order from Steam.
* DLC may now need to be paid for - not confirmed.
* Piracy was only a small reason for going to IW.NET - not the whole reason.

Clans:

* No more clan servers. Private matches, replace clan servers.
* Listen servers will connect to each other.
* IW.NET/Steam will replace the community server admin

Competitive Gaming

* Competitive gaming has changed forever.
* It might be possible in the future for IW engineers to load a "competitive" setting on IW.NET, but it is far from a guarantee. It might also never happen.

Modding

* Modding the game is now very much in question. Fourzerotwo had no info on modding. However, it appears that there will be no mods or maps for MW2.
* Modding in SpecOps? Unknown.

So what this means:

NO dedicated servers, so no clan servers, or clans.

NO being able to have clan matches/join other clan servers

NO punkbuster, instead they will be using VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat System), the same thing used in CS:S, HL:deathmatch, TF2, L4D etc

NO moderating servers

There will be private matches, but they can't be moderated by anyone and not just anyone can join, they must be invited

There is apparently also a possibility that PC gamers will now have to pay for updates, map packs, patches etc, much like console gamers do.

There is a possibility of a couple of things where EVENTUALLY there will be dedi servers. They are:

(*=low chance, *****=very high chance)

Initially there will be both dedi and matchmaking systems (**)
A few patches in the future, there will be dedi servers, similar to what L4D was initially (****)

All from the top, but not finalised yet, but I for one am dropping my preorder right now and waiting for the game to come out to see if it is all true before I get it, i'm not getting some sucky game where you have to go through a matchmaking system with no clan servers

You can read about what the community think from the IW forums here:

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/vi...1877de101050f5

Nevakonaza · 10-18-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

NO punkbuster, instead they will be using VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat System

Actualy i would favour VAC over Punkbuster....ive had a fair share of punkbuster problems in the past...and if someone manages to get hold of your cd key and hacks then punkbuster bans it....they will not reverse the ban even if you can prove it wasnt you!

I think thats a good move,but everything else theyre planning on doing must no go ahead or it will ruin the game!

no clan servers? wtf

Aastii · 10-18-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevakonaza

Actualy i would favour VAC over Punkbuster....ive had a fair share of punkbuster problems in the past...and if someone manages to get hold of your cd key and hacks then punkbuster bans it....they will not reverse the ban even if you can prove it wasnt you!

I think thats a good move,but everything else theyre planning on doing must no go ahead or it will ruin the game!

no clan servers? wtf

With PB, you can appeal against the ban if your GUID gets hacked or if some idiot moderator PB bans your account, if you can prove it wasn't you doing the bad stuff.

With VAC though, once you are banned, that is it, you can't appeal, you can't do anything.

Both perform the same job and both do it well, but I much prefer PB over VAC because you have more control over it

I really don't understand what IW are playing at the minute, especially this close to release

Nevakonaza · 10-18-2009, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aastii

With PB, you can appeal against the ban if your GUID gets hacked or if some idiot moderator PB bans your account, if you can prove it wasn't you doing the bad stuff.

Ive appealed before when my cod4 key got stolen,and someone from the us hacked with it!

on the punkbusted site you can type in your GUID and it lists what country your guid has been used in....Uk came up (obviusly me) and someone in the us! the hacker....i shown them this proof and they didnt want to know.

ended up buying a new key.....but i suppose you are right about them both been alike,ive not run into any problems with Vac though....and steam was VERY helpfull when my steam account got hacked.

10-18-2009, 11:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
Aastii Diamond Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St Helens, UK Age: 16 Posts: 3,466	Modern warfare 2 dedi server petition As just about all of you probably know, IW have fked over the PC gamers by not allowing dedicated servers and only using their IW.net system. There is a petition going to get them to try and change their minds, you can sign up here: http://www.petitiononline.com/dedis4mw/petition.html Also, just about everyone who knows about this now is also cancelling the preorder, you don't get anything from it anyway, just get it straight away, which will be pointless because without dedi servers the online will be crap. Now obviously this is up to you, but I an many others are dropping the preorder, again in protest, so that is another option for you, but please please sign the petition There are other things you can do too: facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=160475627932 Steam Group: search boycott modern warfare 2 on groups and it comes up put something about your view on the IW site** (DON'T make another post, people are getting pissed at people making lots of threads, it will get deleted): http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13 __________________ Intel E6750 @ 3.2GHz P5N-E SLI 8GB PC6400 OCZ Gold Asus 8600gt silent cooling SLI 180gb Samsung Main drive, 200GB Maxtor Backup Corsair TX850W Last edited by Aastii; 10-18-2009 at 08:53 PM.

10-18-2009, 02:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nevakonaza VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Age: 21 Posts: 12,748	Wow im shocked that they are doing this! so does this mean that half the time there wont be any servers? ive also got this game on pre-order. Sighned anyway! __________________ Desktop= Core 2 Quad Q6600 GO @ 3.4Ghz\|MSI P35 Neo-F\|[5GB OCZ Vista Gold Series -6400 oc.\|XFX HD 4890 XT 1GB GDDR5 \| X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity 7.1\|Coolermaster Dominator 690 Black (Modded)\|OCZ ModXStream Pro 600w Modular\| 250Gb & 500GB Sata2 Avermedia Volar HDTV Tuner\|Windows 7 Home X64 Asus X58 Laptop Intel M575 2Ghz \|120GB Sata HDD \|Crucial 2GB DDR2 800mhz \|15.4 inch Widescreen display]\|Intel GM965\|Vista Basic 32Bit\|DVD-RW Last edited by Nevakonaza; 10-18-2009 at 02:43 PM.

10-18-2009, 02:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
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10-18-2009, 03:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
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10-18-2009, 04:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aastii Diamond Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St Helens, UK Age: 16 Posts: 3,466	I got a visitor message asking what it is all about. If you don't know then i will put it all here: http://bashandslash.com/index.php?op...745&Itemid=111 you can listen to the interview here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799 for those that don't want to read or listen, i will sumarise: this is from Fourzerotwo who is basically the head developer of the multiplayer side of the game, so it is very trustworthy, it is from IW themselves. Basically, what he has said is this: * We're doing a lot on the backend to make the game accessible for everyone. * There is no delay for the PC version of MW2 * There's prestige mode * Jason West at the MP event, said that he was dead on, on the matchmaking servers. We've been building a system on the backend called IW.NET. * You are completely reliant on IW.NET. There are no server lists. There are no dedicated servers. * You have private matches where you can customize the game * You cannot put MW2 on a dedicated server. * This is the first time we've ever done something like this and the team has huge plans for what IW.NET develops into. * Customizing your game...you have quite a few options in a private match * You're getting same game (as in Console), plus matchmaking and private match. * Server admin point-of view, NO DEDICATED SERVERS I've summarized some of my own thoughts from the cast here: General * IW partnering through Steam is what you will see in the future. Matchmaking is not through Steam, but IW.NET is run in conjunction with Steam. * GSP's will no longer be renting out servers. * No PunkBuster. VAC will be used as an anti cheat. * Retail distribution: Pre-orders will get a disk. Or you could order from Steam. * DLC may now need to be paid for - not confirmed. * Piracy was only a small reason for going to IW.NET - not the whole reason. Clans: * No more clan servers. Private matches, replace clan servers. * Listen servers will connect to each other. * IW.NET/Steam will replace the community server admin Competitive Gaming * Competitive gaming has changed forever. * It might be possible in the future for IW engineers to load a "competitive" setting on IW.NET, but it is far from a guarantee. It might also never happen. Modding * Modding the game is now very much in question. Fourzerotwo had no info on modding. However, it appears that there will be no mods or maps for MW2. * Modding in SpecOps? Unknown. So what this means: NO dedicated servers, so no clan servers, or clans. NO being able to have clan matches/join other clan servers NO punkbuster, instead they will be using VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat System), the same thing used in CS:S, HL:deathmatch, TF2, L4D etc NO moderating servers There will be private matches, but they can't be moderated by anyone and not just anyone can join, they must be invited There is apparently also a possibility that PC gamers will now have to pay for updates, map packs, patches etc, much like console gamers do. There is a possibility of a couple of things where EVENTUALLY there will be dedi servers. They are: (=low chance, **=very high chance) Initially there will be both dedi and matchmaking systems () A few patches in the future, there will be dedi servers, similar to what L4D was initially (****) All from the top, but not finalised yet, but I for one am dropping my preorder right now and waiting for the game to come out to see if it is all true before I get it, i'm not getting some sucky game where you have to go through a matchmaking system with no clan servers You can read about what the community think from the IW forums here: http://www.infinityward.com/forum/vi...1877de101050f5 __________________ Intel E6750 @ 3.2GHz P5N-E SLI 8GB PC6400 OCZ Gold Asus 8600gt silent cooling SLI 180gb Samsung Main drive, 200GB Maxtor Backup Corsair TX850W

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