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Old 07-30-2005, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm buying a computer for about $1500. At first I was thinking of building one, but my dad told me to shop it against prebuilt ones. I have a couple of places to shop against it.

Parts from newegg:
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Mobo:
GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128283

Case:
AeroCool SPIRAL GALAXIES Black/Silver Steel/Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811196006

Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822135106

Keyboard/Mouse
Logitech Cordless Desktop Optical 967320-0403 Black PS/2 RF Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823126131

Ram
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model VS1GBKIT400 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440

Monitor
SAMSUNG 710N-BK Black 17" 12ms LCD Monitor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001171

Games:
Half Life 2 PC Game SIERRA - Retail
Guild Wars PC Game NCSOFT - Retail

PSU:
ENERMAX EG465P-VE(FC) ATX 460W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103440

Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3000BPBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103537

Video Card
XFX PVT45GUDF3 Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150091

(I have a good cd-rom drive already)
Total: $1261.81 w/o shipping
One from cyberpowersystem.com:

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CASE : ATX MEDIUM TOWER CASE 350 WATT (BLACK COLOR)

CPU : (939-pin) AMD ATHLON64 4000+ CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology

MOTHERBOARD : (Sckt939)Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-SLI nForce4 Ultra SLI Chipset Dual PCIE MB w/Gb-LAN,USB2.0,IEEE-1394,&7.1Audio

MEMORY : 1024 MB (512MBx2) PC3200 400MHz Dual Channel DDR MEMORY (Corsair Value RAM)

HARD DRIVE : Hitachi 160GB 7200RPM Serial ATA 150 8MB Cache -- Recommended

VIDEO CARD : ATI RADEON X800 256MB 16X PCI EXPRESS VIDEO CARD

Optical Drive : COMBO DRIVE (16X DVD-ROM & 52x32x52 CD-RW) (BLACK COLOR)

MONITOR & LCD : FujiPlus FP568 15" TFT LCD Monitor (2TONE - BLK/SIL)

Total: 1364.00 not including 5% off and shipping
One from Dell:

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Dell Dimension 9100
Pentium® 4 Processor 630 with HT Technology (3GHz, 800FSB)

Memory 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz- 2DIMMs

Keyboard Dell USB Keyboard

Monitors FREE UPGRADE! 17 inch E173FP Analog Flat Panel

Video Cards 256MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X850 XT

Hard Drives 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™

Mouse Dell Optical USB Mouse

Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet

CD or DVD Drive Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 48x CD-RW Drive

Sound Card Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

Speakers Dell A215 Speakers

Office Productivity Software Microsoft Works Suite 2005 - Includes Word 2002, Streets & Trips 2005

Total: $1,383.90 not including shipping
One from ibuypower.com:
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Case ( Cotytech ATX Mid-Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Silver )

Power Supply ( Enermax EG565P 535 Watt Power Supply [SLI-Ready] )

Processor ( AMD® Athlon-64 3000+ CPU w/ Hyper Transport Technology )

Free Software/Game ( Free Half Life 2 Download Coupon Free Half Life 2 download coupon with purchase of AMD-64 based systems )

Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )

Motherboard ( Abit KV-80 VIA K8M800 w/LAN, 5.1 Sound, IEEE-1394, USB 2.0 8x AGP Motherboard )

Additional Software ( MS Works Suite 2005 [Word, Works, Money, Encarta, Picture It! Premium, Streets and Trips] )

Memory ( 1024 MB [512MB X2] DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )

Video Card ( Nvidia GeForce 6600-GT 128MB w/DVI + TV Out 8x AGP Video )

Hard Drive ( 80 GB HARD DRIVE 80 GB 7200 RPM Ultra ATA-100 Hard Drive )

CD/DVD Drive ( 16x DVD-ROM Drive Silver )

Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )

Network Card ( 10/100 Network Onboard )

Floppy Drive ( Mitsumi 1.44 MB Internal Floppy Drive Silver )

Monitor ( LCD Monitor Optiquest 17" TFT LCD Monitor [Black] )

Keyboard ( Combo: Logitech Black Desktop Internet Keyboard + Optical Mouse Black )

Total: $1,145.00 w/o shipping
Which one would be the best buy for the money?
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Old 07-30-2005, 08:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Let do this by comparing the important parts

Motherboard
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GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra

Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-SLI nForce4 Ultra SLI

OEM ASUS - I believe this what dell comes with

Abit KV-80 VIA K8M800
The win goes to the 2 gigabytes motherboards. Performance they about the same between the GA-K8N Ultra-9 and Ultra-SLI. If you ever plan to use SLI then the GA-K8N Ultra-SLI better otherwise it does not matter.

CPU
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AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GHz
AMD ATHLON64 4000+
Pentium® 4 Processor 630
AMD® Athlon-64 3000+
Athlon 64 4000+ am going to say is the best cpu out of those. THe pentium would be better in mutistasking but the athlon 64 3000+ better for gaming. So secound place will be a tie between all 3.

Video card
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Geforce 6800GT
ATI RADEON X800 256MB
ATI Radeon™ X850 XT
Nvidia GeForce 6600-GT 128MB
This a tough call but I would say the x850 XT is the best video card out of those. Secound the 6800 GT.

RAM
Ram in all you getting 1gb of memory and DDR2 not really much of a advantage so I giving a tie for all of them

Other none system parts
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Monitor
1.SAMSUNG 710N-BK Black 17" 12ms LCD Monitor - Retail

Games:
Half Life 2 PC Game SIERRA - Retail
Guild Wars PC Game NCSOFT - Retail

2. FujiPlus FP568 15" TFT LCD Monitor (2TONE - BLK/SIL)

3. Monitors FREE UPGRADE! 17 inch E173FP Analog Flat Panel

4.LCD Monitor Optiquest 17" TFT LCD Monitor [Black]

Half Life 2
Here I give the win to the custom build which I think clearly have the most expensive monitor and 2 games.

CONCLUSION
The easiest decision is that number 4 the wrost so we scratch that one off.

Only thing dell got going for it is the video card. The video card is definally not worth $100 more then a 6800GT so we cross that one off.

That leaves the custom built and cyberpowersystem. It get a little tricky here. While custom build you clearly get the better monitor(I could never use a 15" monitor my self) and you get a better video card. The cyberpowersystem got the SLI motherboard going for it and the better cpu. I going to make the final decision by calculating cost differces

Highest cost wins

Custom
Athlon 64 3000+ $146
GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-9 $129
xfx 6800GT $284
17" samsung monitor $255
cheaper from other system by $103

Total: $917

Cyberpower
athlon 64 4000+ $473
x800 $194
GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-sli $134
x800 $194
15" LCD monitor $160

Total: $961

Hmm only a $50 difference that really did not help. Well it comes down to this then

1. what more important to you CPU or Video card?

2. do you want to put it togeather?

3. Could you stand using a 15" monitor?
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Old 07-30-2005, 08:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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1. what more important to you CPU or Video card?
i don't know, equal i guess

2. do you want to put it togeather?
i will if i save money doing so

3. Could you stand using a 15" monitor?
i don't know, probably not

i'll try upgrading the specs on those two and see which one turns out better
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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okay i upgraded my built computer:

Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16819103529

A lot more expensive, maybe i should spring for 3700+?

Video Card:
Leadtek PX6800GT TDH Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16814122209
It was -$20 with the mobo

Mobo:
DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136152

EDIT: yeah i did get the 3700+ because it was a lot cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...N82E1681910353
o and btw i took out the games, ill buy them later at eb or something

MORE EDITS: went back to original video card and got a different mobo:
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131517
Total: $1,388.19

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Old 08-01-2005, 02:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm buying a computer for about $1500. At first I was thinking of building one, but my dad told me to shop it against prebuilt ones. I have a couple of places to shop against it.
What are we judging these computers for?

- First impression is that it seems that the Newegg one was built with "accessories and blind-bling" in mind rather than performance.
- Box2 outdoes Box1 easily but i question why they used a SLI board when its kinda pointless given the videocard ... i am somewhat concerned about the nonlisted PSU on box2
- Box3 is not a good choice as they dont even list the mobo (it's a hacked ASUS board btw) .. they also skip out on the PSU
- Box4 is decent but the Via board+66GT wont let it outpace Box2

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Which one would be the best buy for the money?
Tentatively, box2 .. but you've not said what you're going to do with the box?

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Athlon 64 4000+ am going to say is the best cpu out of those. THe pentium would be better in mutistasking but the athlon 64 3000+ better for gaming. So secound place will be a tie between all 3.
Assuming they are all the same core generation then the 4000 is best period. if they are separated by a generation then the 4000 is best out of the box, the others are (potentially) better after OCing

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This a tough call but I would say the x850 XT is the best video card out of those. Secound the 6800 GT.
I tend to concurr but for the lack of listed motherboard ... not worth it.

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Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX - Retail

A lot more expensive, maybe i should spring for 3700+?
Not a world of difference between the 4000+ and 3700+ (assuming both San Diego)

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MORE EDITS: went back to original video card and got a different mobo:
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
You were miles better off with the DFI board
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Old 08-01-2005, 03:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Here are the parts:
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Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822135106
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=150935

CTX S761 Black 17" 16ms LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824103189
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=260139

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3700BNBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16819103539
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=120273

ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16813131517
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=110257
From newegg, i got these:

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OCZ Enhanced Latency 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Mirrored Platinum Copper Heatspreader Model OCZ4001024ELDCPE-K - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146896

ENERMAX EG465P-VE(FC) ATX 460W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103440

SAMSUNG Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model TS-H352A/BEBP - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151212

XFX PVT45GUDF3 Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150091

AeroCool AEROENGINE C-class AEROENGINE-C BS Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811196005

And the whole system is $1380
from monarchcomputer.com i got:

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1 GB DDR (2 pcs 512) PC-3200 (400) OCZ (OCZ4001024PDC-K)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=140693

Ultra X-Connect ULT31556 ATX 12V 500W w/2-80mm Fans Power Supply
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=100964

BENQ 56x CD-ROM (OEM)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=160900

ATI (Sapphire) Radeon X800 Pro 256MB DDR3/PCI-E/TV-Out/VIVO/DVI (OEM)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=190652

Antec SLK3000B ATX Mid Tower (Black) No PS
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=100587

total: $1,369.80
I also have a prebuilt one from ibuypower.com:

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Case: Raidmax Scorpio-868 ATX Mid-Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black

Processor: AMD® Athlon-64 3700+ CPU w/ Hyper Transport Technology

Free Software/Game Free Half Life 2 Download Coupon Free Half Life 2 download coupon with purchase of AMD-64 based systems

Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )

Motherboard: Asus A8V-Deluxe w/LAN, 7.1 Sound, IEEE-1394, USB 2.0 8x AGP Motherboard

Memory: 1024 MB [512MB X2] DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module Corsair XMS PRO w/ LED Lights
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 6800-GT 256MB w/DVI + TV Out 8x AGP Video

Hard Drive: 80 GB HARD DRIVE [S-ATA] Western Digital 80 GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Hard Drive

CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive: 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive Black

Sound Card 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

Speaker System: 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System

Network Card ( 10/100 Network Onboard )

Monitor ( LCD Monitor Optiquest 17" TFT LCD Monitor [Black] )

Keyboard ( Multi-Media Keyboard Black )

Mouse ( Optical Internet Mouse Black )
which one would be a better buy?
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Where to get parts from?
Why not just decide on parts and then buy it from where it's cheapest???

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which one would be a better buy?
Generically ... the cheap one
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okay i'll probably get it from newegg then
thnx for you help
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okay i'll probably get it from newegg then
Well i didnt mean that specifically ... i mean get the parts from wherever it's cheap ... on a part by part basis rather than a store by store basis
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or figure out which site specializes in what parts....

some sites give good deals on ram, Hd's, Vid cards... as "accessories" they figure you pay the premium for the mobo/processor, they can give a deal on the "accessories" so you only buy the accessories, and order your Mobo/processor from somewhere than tries to make money on the accessories, but cuts you a hellacious deal on the mobo-cpu...
good luck!

this is based on the theory that you will order it all from one place to make your life easier....

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