Windows Vista

randruff · 10-11-2005, 02:36 PM

Ok, disclaimer first, this is my opinion but please feel free to contradict/criticize me as I hope I am wrong.

What is all of the hype over Windows Vista about? I am lost, I dont get it. Microsoft basically took a retractable baton and shoved it up all of our, the consumers, arses. I cannot beleive the amount of DRM that is being integrated into the hardware level. So, my Samsung LCD I bought this summer and my new box I just built last night may not comply with DRM standards because companies like the MPAA and RIAA put too much pressure on Microsoft? I'm sorry but that is a bunch of bull$h!t. Microsoft has no business policing/guiding/controlling/dictating how we, as consumers, use our PC's that we have shelled out hard earned money for. I guess I just view this next OS as being very corporate interest friendly and a big FU to the consumer/user. Personally, I do plan to hold off and use XP for as long as possible. As I stated above, if I am wrong in any way please correct me, I would love to hear none of this is true. I personally have not tried any of the Betas and im sure it will have alot of useful features but I am really am not comfortable with the whole "Microsoft giving into movie/music industry demands to control content in which we pay for" thing. Didn't the DMCA already do that?

geese · 10-11-2005, 07:56 PM

What you are saying is very through, however most people are not aware of the implications / dangers of DRM. Many people believe that there are some good to DRM, but we should ask ourselves – who should control what we do with our computers that we bought with our own money? Should it be us or some large corporation?

I use Linux and support Open Source, thats just my little stand against it.

computerhakk · 10-11-2005, 08:10 PM

yea dont worry about it.. im sure most people agree if they have looked into vista or seen its requirements.

i've tried the betas.. and to be honest it really isn't worth it..its pretty much the same thing with all the nifty NEW gui and SPECIAL effects. microsoft is trying to approach windows with a MAC like look and interface because they have never been able to get to the level that MAC is when it comes to the look of windows. so thats why all these nifty ifty stuff is being added on..

the betas, its nice, its just a new sleaker cleaner interface to windows with specialties like.. 3D windows, transparent windows, new icons, larger cleaner more organized workspace, a so-call "widget" side bar also known as the gadget bar/side bar.. new "solitaire" bg, wow?!.. there is nothing special about it..

just the fact that you need a "SPECIAL" computer that can actually run it..

so im sure most people will be holding off for vista for a while.. a long while.. as u can see, most companied and organizations still run WINDOWS 98. as most people will say its the best windows OS... so yea

i do agree on that tho..

[-0MEGA-] · 10-11-2005, 08:17 PM

all your looking at is the GUI, they say that there will be improved search features, so it doesnt take so long to find stuff. But the thing about DRM not letting you use an LCD, how is that possible? you cant pirate an LCD, lol

NeuromancerWGDD'U · 10-12-2005, 09:14 AM

Anyone wanna guess the specs required of video cards trying to run Longhorn? Just for the desktop: 256 megs of ram! That's just the friggin' desktop! It shouldn't be this difficult. If the desktop alone is requiring 256 megs of video RAM, imagine what kind of quality we can be expecting in games. You know what they're saying, too? 256 mb is for MODERATE settings! To run it smoothly at full-blown quality a video card posessing more RAM will be required.

Vista will also be requiring heinous amounts of system RAM. For the 32-bit release the minimum, MINIMUM, required is: 512. For the 64-bit release the required will be 1 gig of RAM! "Wow, 1 gig of DDR RAM!?" you may be saying, "Could it really require that much?" Nope. It requires 1 GIG of DDR3 RAM! Daaaamn, that's not even close to being out there! Anyone else feelin' like sharing outrage with big billy via nailbat?

The replacing of a monitor mentioned previously is actually, partially, accurate. To "prevent pirating" movies in HD-DVD and Blu-Ray format will require a special type of monitor to play properly. Current monitors will be able to play thoroughly fuzzed-up versions of movies. That's right, to play movies on your computer you will need a special monitor. This, however, is (imagine this) not Microsoft's doing. This is just a property of the encoding methods for the new-gen DVD's.

So...while I'd really love to "upgrade" to Longhorn (I don't care what they're officially calling it, Longhorn just sounds a little less....retarded than "Vista"), I really don't feel like shelling out several hundred dollars for a second-rate OS just to have to shell out several hundred more for a new video card, motherboard, processor, hard-drive, and monitor (which would ALL have to be upgraded, and I just built my computer a year ago). I'm not going to assist big Billy in giving everybody the finger. I'm sticking with XP/98SE and Linux, and unless everybody suddenly gets a few thousand extra dollars and a mortal fear of keepin' it, I think I won't be the only one doing so.

randruff · 10-12-2005, 07:23 PM

Well, it is nice to know that there are people out there who feel the way i do about this. I dont know if anyone in here reads digg.com but when people digg stories about "OMG!!!! WINDOWS VISTA BETA 0.45.35.645324234234234234!!!!!!!", it makes my blood boil. By running that peice of stinky morning after a long night of drinking $h!t they call Vista, people are ultimately restricting themselves and what their computers are capable of.

Jiffyman · 10-12-2005, 10:38 PM

Yea and what is up with the system requirements of this os they are outrageous and to think that I have been waiting for this os since I first herd of it. 256 meg of video memory for the desktop I can bearly afford a 32 meg card let alone a 256 meg card and then to get all the features of the desktop you need more!.Microsoft better pull their head out of their ass and do someting good with this os if I'm ever gonna buy it. I don't care if I sound stupid or what.

vortmax · 10-13-2005, 06:21 AM

i was kind of excited about the new file system they are implementing but the whole GUI reeks of the windows ME flop. Maybe they'll come out with an enterprise version that will be streamlined like they did with NT origionally.

I am curious to see what the 3d menus are like, but I don't need shadows and transparency. It's just a waste of computing power. That's why I stuck with 2000 until I couldn't stand the compatibility issues and turn off all the candy coating on XP pro. I would seriously stick with Suse (already dual boot it) if more companies ported out to it.

Blue · 10-13-2005, 04:33 PM

Kinda scary posting in a thread where everyone is worked up,they might just take my head off LOL.

You guys this is great and all but for the most part this forum is intended I'm sure to help educate people and with that said it wouldn't hurt your cause at all to post a few links where people can read this information in other places and decide what is credible and what is not.

Without interjecting anything really useful myself I will say that some things mentioned are things people complained about for years that Microsoft should do/implement and now they are and they are frigging idiots for it? Or is it too little too late? Now I must admit some of that stuff you guys mentioned sound a little scary but without links your not educating anyone but rather repeating what you read/heard somewhere. Post the links and let US decide if the information is credible.

randruff · 10-13-2005, 04:46 PM

You are 100% correct Blue. I'll post some links below:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25169 (this guy is really biased but he gets his point across)

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/04...ta_demand.html

http://crn.com/sections/breakingnews...leId=167101066

These are a few short articles explaining the DRM standard for watching HD movies. The whole DRM scheme is what really pisses me off. Can any of you guys post links showing the system req's?

10-11-2005, 02:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
randruff Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 30 min south of iraq....oops....Detroit. Age: 27 Posts: 742	Windows Vista - RANT Ok, disclaimer first, this is my opinion but please feel free to contradict/criticize me as I hope I am wrong. What is all of the hype over Windows Vista about? I am lost, I dont get it. Microsoft basically took a retractable baton and shoved it up all of our, the consumers, arses. I cannot beleive the amount of DRM that is being integrated into the hardware level. So, my Samsung LCD I bought this summer and my new box I just built last night may not comply with DRM standards because companies like the MPAA and RIAA put too much pressure on Microsoft? I'm sorry but that is a bunch of bull$h!t. Microsoft has no business policing/guiding/controlling/dictating how we, as consumers, use our PC's that we have shelled out hard earned money for. I guess I just view this next OS as being very corporate interest friendly and a big FU to the consumer/user. Personally, I do plan to hold off and use XP for as long as possible. As I stated above, if I am wrong in any way please correct me, I would love to hear none of this is true. I personally have not tried any of the Betas and im sure it will have alot of useful features but I am really am not comfortable with the whole "Microsoft giving into movie/music industry demands to control content in which we pay for" thing. Didn't the DMCA already do that? __________________ Asus A8N SLI Deluxe AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2GB OCZ Platinum PC3200 - Dual Channel 2x WD 74GB Raptor 10,000RPM - RAID 0 eVGA geForce 7800GTX Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Logitech Z-5500 Digital THX 5.1 1010W 19' Samsung 915N 8ms Raidmax 520W PSU

10-11-2005, 07:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
geese Bronze Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: West Indies Posts: 68	What you are saying is very through, however most people are not aware of the implications / dangers of DRM. Many people believe that there are some good to DRM, but we should ask ourselves – who should control what we do with our computers that we bought with our own money? Should it be us or some large corporation? I use Linux and support Open Source, thats just my little stand against it. __________________ AMD 64 3200+ 939-pin * MSI K8N NEO4-F * 1GB RAM * 120GB HD * NEC 16X DVD+/-RW * GF6200 256M PCI-E * Thermaltake Venus 12 CPU fan OS - SuSE Pro 9.3 Registered Linux user # 395739

10-11-2005, 08:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
computerhakk VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: THOJhakk county Posts: 3,635	yea dont worry about it.. im sure most people agree if they have looked into vista or seen its requirements. i've tried the betas.. and to be honest it really isn't worth it..its pretty much the same thing with all the nifty NEW gui and SPECIAL effects. microsoft is trying to approach windows with a MAC like look and interface because they have never been able to get to the level that MAC is when it comes to the look of windows. so thats why all these nifty ifty stuff is being added on.. the betas, its nice, its just a new sleaker cleaner interface to windows with specialties like.. 3D windows, transparent windows, new icons, larger cleaner more organized workspace, a so-call "widget" side bar also known as the gadget bar/side bar.. new "solitaire" bg, wow?!.. there is nothing special about it.. just the fact that you need a "SPECIAL" computer that can actually run it.. so im sure most people will be holding off for vista for a while.. a long while.. as u can see, most companied and organizations still run WINDOWS 98. as most people will say its the best windows OS... so yea i do agree on that tho.. __________________ "Remember, wrong advice may be worse than no advice at all." ::COMPUTERHAKK:::

10-11-2005, 08:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
[-0MEGA-] Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Concord, NH Age: 20 Posts: 27,082	all your looking at is the GUI, they say that there will be improved search features, so it doesnt take so long to find stuff. But the thing about DRM not letting you use an LCD, how is that possible? you cant pirate an LCD, lol __________________ Desktop // Laptop Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 4.0GHz // Core 2 Duo P8400 2.26GHz Asus Rampage Formula X48 // Intel PM45 ATI 4870X2 2GB GDDR5 // 512MB GDDR3 9800M GTS 4GB (2x 2GB) DDR2 940 // 4GB DDR3 800 750GB SATAII w/32MB // 200GB SATAII 7200RPM Creative SB X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty SilverStone 750W +12V@60A 3DMark06: 21391 // 9179

10-12-2005, 09:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
NeuromancerWGDD'U Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I miss Oregon... Age: 19 Posts: 477	Anyone wanna guess the specs required of video cards trying to run Longhorn? Just for the desktop: 256 megs of ram! That's just the friggin' desktop! It shouldn't be this difficult. If the desktop alone is requiring 256 megs of video RAM, imagine what kind of quality we can be expecting in games. You know what they're saying, too? 256 mb is for MODERATE settings! To run it smoothly at full-blown quality a video card posessing more RAM will be required. Vista will also be requiring heinous amounts of system RAM. For the 32-bit release the minimum, MINIMUM, required is: 512. For the 64-bit release the required will be 1 gig of RAM! "Wow, 1 gig of DDR RAM!?" you may be saying, "Could it really require that much?" Nope. It requires 1 GIG of *DDR3* RAM! Daaaamn, that's not even close to being out there! Anyone else feelin' like sharing outrage with big billy via nailbat? The replacing of a monitor mentioned previously is actually, partially, accurate. To "prevent pirating" movies in HD-DVD and Blu-Ray format will require a special type of monitor to play properly. Current monitors will be able to play thoroughly fuzzed-up versions of movies. That's right, to play movies on your computer you will need a special monitor. This, however, is (imagine this) not Microsoft's doing. This is just a property of the encoding methods for the new-gen DVD's. So...while I'd really love to "upgrade" to Longhorn (I don't care what they're officially calling it, Longhorn just sounds a little less....retarded than "Vista"), I really don't feel like shelling out several hundred dollars for a second-rate OS just to have to shell out several hundred more for a new video card, motherboard, processor, hard-drive, and monitor (which would ALL have to be upgraded, and I just built my computer a year ago). I'm not going to assist big Billy in giving everybody the finger. I'm sticking with XP/98SE and Linux, and unless everybody suddenly gets a few thousand extra dollars and a mortal fear of keepin' it, I think I won't be the only one doing so. __________________ My little machine: S423 Pentium 4 1.3Ghz, 4x256 16-bit RIMM RAM, 32MB TNT2 video card. I think it may be time to upgrade... The upgrade! My machine will soon be a 939 X2 4000+, 4x512 DDR400, and an 8600GTS. Last edited by NeuromancerWGDD'U; 10-12-2005 at 09:19 AM.

10-12-2005, 07:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
randruff Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 30 min south of iraq....oops....Detroit. Age: 27 Posts: 742	Well, it is nice to know that there are people out there who feel the way i do about this. I dont know if anyone in here reads digg.com but when people digg stories about "OMG!!!! WINDOWS VISTA BETA 0.45.35.645324234234234234!!!!!!!", it makes my blood boil. By running that peice of stinky morning after a long night of drinking $h!t they call Vista, people are ultimately restricting themselves and what their computers are capable of. __________________ Asus A8N SLI Deluxe AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2GB OCZ Platinum PC3200 - Dual Channel 2x WD 74GB Raptor 10,000RPM - RAID 0 eVGA geForce 7800GTX Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Logitech Z-5500 Digital THX 5.1 1010W 19' Samsung 915N 8ms Raidmax 520W PSU

10-12-2005, 10:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jiffyman Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA Age: 17 Posts: 678	Yea and what is up with the system requirements of this os they are outrageous and to think that I have been waiting for this os since I first herd of it. 256 meg of video memory for the desktop I can bearly afford a 32 meg card let alone a 256 meg card and then to get all the features of the desktop you need more!.Microsoft better pull their head out of their ass and do someting good with this os if I'm ever gonna buy it. I don't care if I sound stupid or what. __________________ Mother board: Gigabyte S-series GA-MA69GM-S2H Additional Specs Down There: http://www.gigabyte.co.nz/Products/M...ProductID=2579 Processor: AMD A64 X2 4200+ Dual-Core RAM: 2gig DDR2 800mhz Last edited by Jiffyman; 10-12-2005 at 10:41 PM.

10-13-2005, 06:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
vortmax Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 26 Posts: 619	i was kind of excited about the new file system they are implementing but the whole GUI reeks of the windows ME flop. Maybe they'll come out with an enterprise version that will be streamlined like they did with NT origionally. I am curious to see what the 3d menus are like, but I don't need shadows and transparency. It's just a waste of computing power. That's why I stuck with 2000 until I couldn't stand the compatibility issues and turn off all the candy coating on XP pro. I would seriously stick with Suse (already dual boot it) if more companies ported out to it. __________________ Asus A7N8x delux Nforce 2 AMD Athlon 2800+ (barton core) 512 meg Corsair DDR 400 Gainward G-force FX 5200 Dell 6000i Intel Pentium M 725 (1.60 GHz/2MB Cache/400MHz FSB) ATI MOBILITY RADEON X300 64MB HyperMemory 1 gig DDR2 PC2-3200 Music server: AMD K6 500 MHz 128 Meg RAM Onkyo HT-R520 Reciever 6.1 DTS ES & Dolby Digital EX

10-13-2005, 04:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Blue VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London Ontario Age: 35 Posts: 3,555	Kinda scary posting in a thread where everyone is worked up,they might just take my head off LOL. You guys this is great and all but for the most part this forum is intended I'm sure to help educate people and with that said it wouldn't hurt your cause at all to post a few links where people can read this information in other places and decide what is credible and what is not. Without interjecting anything really useful myself I will say that some things mentioned are things people complained about for years that Microsoft should do/implement and now they are and they are frigging idiots for it? Or is it too little too late? Now I must admit some of that stuff you guys mentioned sound a little scary but without links your not educating anyone but rather repeating what you read/heard somewhere. Post the links and let US decide if the information is credible. __________________ FOLDING FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND :F@H Team 44358

10-13-2005, 04:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
randruff Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 30 min south of iraq....oops....Detroit. Age: 27 Posts: 742	You are 100% correct Blue. I'll post some links below: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25169 (this guy is really biased but he gets his point across) http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/04...ta_demand.html http://crn.com/sections/breakingnews...leId=167101066 These are a few short articles explaining the DRM standard for watching HD movies. The whole DRM scheme is what really pisses me off. Can any of you guys post links showing the system req's? __________________ Asus A8N SLI Deluxe AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2GB OCZ Platinum PC3200 - Dual Channel 2x WD 74GB Raptor 10,000RPM - RAID 0 eVGA geForce 7800GTX Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Logitech Z-5500 Digital THX 5.1 1010W 19' Samsung 915N 8ms Raidmax 520W PSU

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