Japan Vs. Germany, History rewrite

v0031 · 10-16-2005, 11:36 AM

If Janpan won the WWⅡ in Asia Pacific,and Germany won in Europe, then the two powers fighted each other in order to rule the world. Who would win and why.

History rewrite or "rewrote"?

elmarcorulz · 10-16-2005, 11:40 AM

are all these questions for your homeowrk? becuase if they are, arent you supposed ot be doing them by yourself?

**jancz3rt** · 10-16-2005, 11:41 AM

If they won, then you and I would not be here talking about this

JAN

Shambree · 10-16-2005, 12:18 PM

I dont think either power would be in the position to fight eachother considering the massive loss of life which both sides would have suffered fighting off the allie's

Trizoy · 10-16-2005, 12:59 PM

Its an english language question guys...

[-0MEGA-] · 10-16-2005, 01:25 PM

do you expect us to give you a 1 page response? because i have better things to do with my time. lol

skidude · 10-16-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by v0031

History rewrite or "rewrote"?

Neither, it would be history rewritten.

bigsaucybob · 10-16-2005, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0031

then the two powers fighted each other

wait wat grade are u in?

**apj101** · 10-16-2005, 03:33 PM

There are hypothetical questions and then there are some just silly ones.
To start with neither force had aspirations of globalization. And a single world superpower would not have been an option for either country. Japans dabble in ww2 was not through some clandestine attempt to dominate globally, but was due to US denying Japan's claim to the German concessions in Shantung, and FDR's unwitting halt on oil import to Japan and Japan occupied regions of china (along with other reasons). Japan struck out for oil from Holland occupied Indonesia, and the pacific fleet was all that stood in her way, thus was born the Great East Asian War (what the US called the pacific war)

But let’s assume you’re right and for some reason the two forces turned from each other. How might that go? Well prior to this hypothetical war, and post the end of allied-German aggression, we can assume that japans war party under Hideki Tojo would have finished the occupation of china, and taken the oil rich regions of Indonesia from the Dutch. They would probably occupy US bases in the Philippines, which may have served as a useful platform (or target)

Germany would occupy Russia along with its former USSR states; it would also be suffering from the same isolation from its Siberian arm the Russians still complain about today

. Germany (and maybe Italian, since your question makes no mention of Italy I ignore it for the most part) forces would have taken india, and most of africa through a collapse of Indian defended lybia and syria, and also taken the dutch south african colonies. Most of the middle east would also have fallen to germany including the oil fields of iraq which again were being defended by indian troops (i had to look it up but it was the Fifth Indian Division defending iraq during the early war). And the UK would of course be German as well, with hitler controlling the north sea oil and it rigs. That was the great thing about german occupation it left a relative great deal of infa structure in place (the blitz aside).

One big question is what about the US, who would occupy this vast area? German occupation of russia would require cooperation of russian authorities more so than any other nation, and it is questionable if they would have to resources to govern the US as well. But the same can be said for japan. But the US plays a role as to whether this war would see action in the deep east pacific. But other than occupation of the some western state platforms i can’t see the US providing any more than financial aspect. So let’s not get too bogged down with the US right now.

Japans main problems would have come from there newly acquired indonesia and its exposure to indian ocean. And given germanys sea based strength, matched only by the recently (and hypothetically) defeated British fleet, japan would suffer greatly at the hands of the germans. Syberia and mongolia would prove difficult to move large numbers of troops through for the germans and as such any attack on japan ocupied china would require movements through the ex soviet state of Kazakhstan. Whereas china would prefer to be fighting on its eastern border with india et al as a path into the middle east. If the germans could get the indian divisions to fight for them as well as we did (we meaning the british) then china would be in poor shape, but remember Britain had a history with india. Overall i feel that Germanys encroaching of indonesia would strangle japan petroleum reserves, which once depleted would struggle to recover without the china oil pipe line proposed by peace party prime minister Konoye.

And thus japan would probably strave to death, unable to fend off the german fleet which would primarily be based out of the gulfs.

But that’s just my opinion and all I can be arsed to think on the matter right now.

Lorand · 10-16-2005, 03:57 PM

Wow, apj, that was a very deep analysis.

One more thing can be added: nobody would occupy US because after it lost the war it became the poorest region of the world.

10-16-2005, 11:36 AM	#1 (permalink)
v0031 Bronze Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Japan Vs. Germany, History rewrite If Janpan won the WWⅡ in Asia Pacific,and Germany won in Europe, then the two powers fighted each other in order to rule the world. Who would win and why. History rewrite or "rewrote"?

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10-16-2005, 03:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
apj101 Administrator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 9,166	There are hypothetical questions and then there are some just silly ones. To start with neither force had aspirations of globalization. And a single world superpower would not have been an option for either country. Japans dabble in ww2 was not through some clandestine attempt to dominate globally, but was due to US denying Japan's claim to the German concessions in Shantung, and FDR's unwitting halt on oil import to Japan and Japan occupied regions of china (along with other reasons). Japan struck out for oil from Holland occupied Indonesia, and the pacific fleet was all that stood in her way, thus was born the Great East Asian War (what the US called the pacific war) But let’s assume you’re right and for some reason the two forces turned from each other. How might that go? Well prior to this hypothetical war, and post the end of allied-German aggression, we can assume that japans war party under Hideki Tojo would have finished the occupation of china, and taken the oil rich regions of Indonesia from the Dutch. They would probably occupy US bases in the Philippines, which may have served as a useful platform (or target) Germany would occupy Russia along with its former USSR states; it would also be suffering from the same isolation from its Siberian arm the Russians still complain about today . Germany (and maybe Italian, since your question makes no mention of Italy I ignore it for the most part) forces would have taken india, and most of africa through a collapse of Indian defended lybia and syria, and also taken the dutch south african colonies. Most of the middle east would also have fallen to germany including the oil fields of iraq which again were being defended by indian troops (i had to look it up but it was the Fifth Indian Division defending iraq during the early war). And the UK would of course be German as well, with hitler controlling the north sea oil and it rigs. That was the great thing about german occupation it left a relative great deal of infa structure in place (the blitz aside). One big question is what about the US, who would occupy this vast area? German occupation of russia would require cooperation of russian authorities more so than any other nation, and it is questionable if they would have to resources to govern the US as well. But the same can be said for japan. But the US plays a role as to whether this war would see action in the deep east pacific. But other than occupation of the some western state platforms i can’t see the US providing any more than financial aspect. So let’s not get too bogged down with the US right now. Japans main problems would have come from there newly acquired indonesia and its exposure to indian ocean. And given germanys sea based strength, matched only by the recently (and hypothetically) defeated British fleet, japan would suffer greatly at the hands of the germans. Syberia and mongolia would prove difficult to move large numbers of troops through for the germans and as such any attack on japan ocupied china would require movements through the ex soviet state of Kazakhstan. Whereas china would prefer to be fighting on its eastern border with india et al as a path into the middle east. If the germans could get the indian divisions to fight for them as well as we did (we meaning the british) then china would be in poor shape, but remember Britain had a history with india. Overall i feel that Germanys encroaching of indonesia would strangle japan petroleum reserves, which once depleted would struggle to recover without the china oil pipe line proposed by peace party prime minister Konoye. And thus japan would probably strave to death, unable to fend off the german fleet which would primarily be based out of the gulfs. But that’s just my opinion and all I can be arsed to think on the matter right now. __________________ What did one snow man say to the other? can you smell carrot? The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights. How you do anything, is how you do everything! Last edited by apj101; 10-16-2005 at 08:27 PM.

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10-16-2005, 11:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
elmarcorulz VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Age: 21 Posts: 6,033	are all these questions for your homeowrk? becuase if they are, arent you supposed ot be doing them by yourself?

10-16-2005, 12:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Shambree Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Age: 20 Posts: 172	I dont think either power would be in the position to fight eachother considering the massive loss of life which both sides would have suffered fighting off the allie's

10-16-2005, 12:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Trizoy VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mountain View, Ca Posts: 4,663	Its an english language question guys...

10-16-2005, 03:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lorand VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bucharest Age: 41 Posts: 3,042	Wow, apj, that was a very deep analysis. One more thing can be added: nobody would occupy US because after it lost the war it became the poorest region of the world.