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Old 11-03-2005, 09:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 3:50:51 PM, on 11/3/2005
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\ewido\security suite\ewidoctrl.exe
C:\Program Files\ewido\security suite\ewidoguard.exe
c:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VS7DEBUG\MDM.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
C:\Program Files\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar2.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar2.dll
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Google Search - res://c:\program files\google\GoogleToolbar2.dll/cmsearch.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Translate English Word - res://c:\program files\google\GoogleToolbar2.dll/cmwordtrans.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Backward Links - res://c:\program files\google\GoogleToolbar2.dll/cmbacklinks.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Cached Snapshot of Page - res://c:\program files\google\GoogleToolbar2.dll/cmcache.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MI1933~1\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O8 - Extra context menu item: Similar Pages - res://c:\program files\google\GoogleToolbar2.dll/cmsimilar.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Translate Page into English - res://c:\program files\google\GoogleToolbar2.dll/cmtrans.html
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0\bin\npjpi150.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0\bin\npjpi150.dll
O9 - Extra button: ATI TV - {44226DFF-747E-4edc-B30C-78752E50CD0C} - C:\Program Files\ATI Multimedia\tv\EXPLBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O16 - DPF: {17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700} (Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool) - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39204
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu...?1130909893968
O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
O23 - Service: ATI Smart - Unknown owner - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ati2sgag.exe
O23 - Service: ewido security suite control - ewido networks - C:\Program Files\ewido\security suite\ewidoctrl.exe
O23 - Service: ewido security suite guard - ewido networks - C:\Program Files\ewido\security suite\ewidoguard.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\1050\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Unknown owner - c:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe




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2 gig of ram, ati x850 pro
and its slow as shit

i just reformated 2 days ago, it was fixed for a day. and after i got done re-installing everything, like games and shit, i can hardly use the damn thing!
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't see anything that'd be slowing things down.

You can fix these.
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY... io&pf=desktop
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY... io&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY... io&pf=desktop
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TY...rio&pf=desktop


Do the Pandascan and post the results.
http://www.pandasoftware.com/products/activescan.htm
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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results were...
0 found!

whats up with that...
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Try rootkit revealer, post the results.
http://www.sysinternals.com/Files/RootkitRevealer.zip
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HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Rei nstall\ 11/2/2005 3:22 PM 0 bytes Key name contains embedded nulls (*)
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesProcessed 11/3/2005 4:33 PM 4 bytes Data mismatch between Windows API and raw hive data.
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesSuccessful 11/3/2005 4:33 PM 4 bytes Data mismatch between Windows API and raw hive data.
HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\d347prt\Cfg\0Jf 40 11/3/2005 4:30 PM 0 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\12534[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 3.55 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\181[1].jpg 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 251.80 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\adx[1].js 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 70 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\collapse_tcat[2].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 642 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\filter1[1].jpg 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 243.54 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\index[1].php 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 20.35 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\pk_home[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 397 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\pkmn_logo[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 2.53 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\pkmn_pgbg[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 387 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\rating_3[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.06 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\reply[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.22 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\report[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1014 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\style[1].css 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 470 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2PART4IC\vbulletin_menu[1].js 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 12.98 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\420dating-468x60[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 14.81 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\bud_flare[1].jpg 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 6.14 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\gray_gradient_thead[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 2.69 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\mrgreen[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 349 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\navbits_finallink[2].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.01 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\pkmn_mail[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 414 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\printer[2].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 386 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\quote[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 722 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\rating_5[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.25 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\showthread[2].htm 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 91.30 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\user_online[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.00 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\v4sheet[1].css 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 3.23 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\vbulletin_editor[1].css 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 3.13 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\53T0B8DM\Wink_anim[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.02 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\cleartest_2[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 18.81 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\gray_gradient_tcat[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 2.60 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\laugh[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 145 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\mode_linear[1].htm 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 24.92 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\mode_threaded[1].htm 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 102.50 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\navbits_start[2].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1004 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\pk_drop[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 562 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\post_old[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 522 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\rating_2[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 595 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\reputation_pos[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 501 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\subscribe[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 406 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\user_offline[2].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.00 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\vbulletin_quickreply[1].js 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 3.99 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\88SZEOYZ\w3csheet[1].css 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 3.95 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\collapse_thead[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 580 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\maryjane[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 158 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\menu_open[2].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 279 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\mode_hybrid[1].htm 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 102.50 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\pkscripts[1].js 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 10.86 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\quickreply[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.37 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\rating_1[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 541 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\rating_4[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 1.16 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\reputation_balance[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 501 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\sendtofriend[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 396 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
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C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\shim[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 63 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\smile3[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 372 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\vbulletin_global[1].js 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 17.92 KB Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\HUXP3M3R\watchplant[1].gif 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 541 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Recent\readme (2).lnk 11/2/2005 11:55 PM 347 bytes Visible in Windows API, but not in MFT or directory index.
C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Recent\README.TXT.lnk 11/3/2005 5:51 PM 623 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
D: 0 bytes Error mounting volume
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Install and run Cleanup.
http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/

I don't think that's the problem, looks like something else is slowing you down.
Try removing programs one by one until your speed picks up.
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now all that comes up is
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Rei nstall\ 11/2/2005 3:22 PM 0 bytes Key name contains embedded nulls (*)
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesProcessed 11/3/2005 6:02 PM 4 bytes Data mismatch between Windows API and raw hive data.
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesSuccessful 11/3/2005 6:02 PM 4 bytes Data mismatch between Windows API and raw hive data.
HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\d347prt\Cfg\0Jf 40 11/3/2005 4:30 PM 0 bytes Hidden from Windows API.
D: 0 bytes Error mounting volume


before doing anythingf else that is

also, it wouldnt be my new video card, would it? ati x850 pro...
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New card isn't really my area, sounds like it might be, tho. Ask in the video cards section.
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i dont think it is, because my computer has done this ever since i got it, so it must be some software...

i guess ill format, and install 1 thing at a time
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