confussed with sata...

Xycron · 12-31-2005, 11:36 PM

I'm super confussed with sata, Do all harddrives with with sata if you have the cables and your motherboard supports it?

I just got a new WD 7200rom 8mb cache 120gb harddrive to compete with everyone else who lives here and i'm super confuseed

**Cromewell** · 12-31-2005, 11:45 PM

can you reword the question, I'm not sure I understand what you typed out

Xycron · 12-31-2005, 11:48 PM

Do all hardrive's work with sata as long as your motherboard is compatible and you have a sata cable?

Basicaly i got a new WD 120GB harddrive and dont know if i can use a sata conection or not. I know my mobo supports it, but if it will work with the ahrddrive is what i dont know.

**Cromewell** · 12-31-2005, 11:52 PM

Oh ok. The harddrive needs to have an SATA connection or you need an PATA->SATA adapter

Xycron · 12-31-2005, 11:53 PM

Are there PATA-SATA adapters on newegg? Abd will it work the same speed as a SATA with the adapter? Or will it still be as fast as the ide-e cable?

on newegg all i could find were sata power connetors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812189005

**Cromewell** · 12-31-2005, 11:55 PM

Doesn't matter, it's only as fast as the harddrive sustained speed which isn't near the max transfer speed of ATA133 let alone SATA.

Xycron · 01-01-2006, 12:27 AM

Then what's the point of a sata cable :?

**Cromewell** · 01-01-2006, 01:03 AM

It's sort of like the point of PCIe, most games don't use the full AGP8x bandwidth let alone all that PCIe offers.
At this point it's basically just a smaller cable.

Xycron · 01-01-2006, 01:21 AM

but that's MOST games, would this be a MOST of the time deal with a HDD?

Theoretically in my case if I were to use my harddrive, with the adapter to SATA, and theoretically If my harddrive was able to surpass the data transfer of a IDEE cable, would it even be able to use the spee d of the sata? or woud the past that its IDEE and has to use the adapter still slow it down to the IDEE speed anyways?

Also you say at this point? Arn'tharddrive's basically at there maximun potientail :? beucase it's mechanicaly and can only move so fast.

**ceewi1** · 01-01-2006, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xycron

but that's MOST games, would this be a MOST of the time deal with a HDD?

I believe that burst speeds on high quality hard drives can sometimes exceed ATA133, but I seriously doubt you'd notice the difference since average speeds are much lower, and your drive wouldn't fall into this catagory anyway.

Quote:

Theoretically in my case if I were to use my harddrive, with the adapter to SATA, and theoretically If my harddrive was able to surpass the data transfer of a IDEE cable, would it even be able to use the spee d of the sata? or woud the past that its IDEE and has to use the adapter still slow it down to the IDEE speed anyways?

No, you'd still be stuck at ATA133, and actually take a performance hit as the adapter has to translate the data

From seagate:

Quote:

Originally Posted by seagate

Disc drive data rates have not exceeded ATA100 limits yet, so why should I switch to SATA?
The maximum internal data rate on an IDE disc drive today is around 72 Mbytes/sec. The ATA/100 data transfer rate has not been reached, but one of the reasons IDE performance is where it is today is the expandable data path PATA has allowed. That data path in PATA has reached its limit. SATA allows disc drives to continue to offer performance and reliability at cost parity to PATA. In addition, SATA interface requires less voltage, meaning better power consumption and management in both desktop and mobile applications. The thinner cable allows for flexible designs and improved airflow in smaller form factors.

Will I see a performance difference in SATA drives?
You may see a 1 to 5 percent performance increase from a PATA drive to a Serial drive but, the main performance benefit is in the long run--because of SATA, the hard drive throughput will not bottleneck system performance. In the meantime, system integrators and OEMs will enjoy a big reduction in assembly time and reductions in handling damage due to connector and pin issues.

12-31-2005, 11:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Xycron banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,099	confussed with sata... I'm super confussed with sata, Do all harddrives with with sata if you have the cables and your motherboard supports it? I just got a new WD 7200rom 8mb cache 120gb harddrive to compete with everyone else who lives here and i'm super confuseed

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Cromewell Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Age: 25 Posts: 10,117	Oh ok. The harddrive needs to have an SATA connection or you need an PATA->SATA adapter __________________ You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til ya understand who's in ruttin' command here. I must plug a couple comics because they are good :D: www.ctrlaltdel-online.com www.userfriendly.org

12-31-2005, 11:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cromewell Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Age: 25 Posts: 10,117	Doesn't matter, it's only as fast as the harddrive sustained speed which isn't near the max transfer speed of ATA133 let alone SATA. __________________ You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til ya understand who's in ruttin' command here. I must plug a couple comics because they are good :D: www.ctrlaltdel-online.com www.userfriendly.org

01-01-2006, 01:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
Cromewell Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Age: 25 Posts: 10,117	It's sort of like the point of PCIe, most games don't use the full AGP8x bandwidth let alone all that PCIe offers. At this point it's basically just a smaller cable. __________________ You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til ya understand who's in ruttin' command here. I must plug a couple comics because they are good :D: www.ctrlaltdel-online.com www.userfriendly.org

12-31-2005, 11:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
Xycron banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,099	Do all hardrive's work with sata as long as your motherboard is compatible and you have a sata cable? Basicaly i got a new WD 120GB harddrive and dont know if i can use a sata conection or not. I know my mobo supports it, but if it will work with the ahrddrive is what i dont know.

12-31-2005, 11:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Xycron banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,099	Are there PATA-SATA adapters on newegg? Abd will it work the same speed as a SATA with the adapter? Or will it still be as fast as the ide-e cable? on newegg all i could find were sata power connetors http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812189005

01-01-2006, 12:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
Xycron banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,099	Then what's the point of a sata cable :?

01-01-2006, 01:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
Xycron banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,099	but that's MOST games, would this be a MOST of the time deal with a HDD? Theoretically in my case if I were to use my harddrive, with the adapter to SATA, and theoretically If my harddrive was able to surpass the data transfer of a IDEE cable, would it even be able to use the spee d of the sata? or woud the past that its IDEE and has to use the adapter still slow it down to the IDEE speed anyways? Also you say at this point? Arn'tharddrive's basically at there maximun potientail :? beucase it's mechanicaly and can only move so fast. Last edited by Xycron; 01-01-2006 at 01:26 AM.

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