Pentium 4 Vs. Celeron

ckfordy · 01-30-2006, 04:17 AM

i would think the pentium 4 would be better then the celeron. even if the celeron has a higher clockspeed it doesnt mean anything.

**Praetor** · 01-30-2006, 04:25 PM

@StarwarsMan: as per my original question, what cores are involved? All these comments about which is better than which is based on nothing since well we dont know what chips are involved (which begs the question: what technical information are responses based on?)

Also to directly answer your own question, why not just do benchmarks with the two chips?

You'd get a literal answer pretty quick

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I've found out that the celerons take longer to load things and are a bit choppy in video and other things

They do?

Verve · 01-30-2006, 08:05 PM

Ok, I'll try to get a benchmark program. Also, how do I find out which chip I am using? Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is new territory to me.

icemakr · 01-30-2006, 08:09 PM

There should be something in cpuz that says codename, that should tell you what chip you are using, or the codename for it anyway.

fade2green514 · 01-30-2006, 11:04 PM

yea, the celeron is probably in a better system with more ram a newer socket (maybe) and faster hard drives. wether the cpu is better or not who knows... but id bet ANYTHING a p3 at 2ghz would beat a p4 at 2.53ghz.
PIII>P4 no doubt. theyre bringing P3 architecture back to the desktop btw, and pentium m IS pentium 3 architecture.

**Praetor** · 01-31-2006, 12:08 AM

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Also, how do I find out which chip I am using?

If you dont know which chip is in the box then how did you post

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I have two computers, one is a (Gateway) Pentium 4 1.8 ghz, and the other is a (Dell) Celeron 2.4 ghz.

Ohh i get it... codename ... look in CPUz, where it says "code"

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PIII>P4 no doubt.

Thats a bit broad.

Verve · 01-31-2006, 04:05 PM

ah, ok I get it. The code name. Here it is:

P4: Williamette
Celeron: Northwood

suprasteve · 01-31-2006, 05:17 PM

ok well hopefully I can set you guys traight as to where celeron's come from (assuming I wasn't misinformed). During the manufacturing process, many things don't come out just perfectly. When there are slight issues with a processor, Intel basically "shuts down" the parts that don't work on a P4 assuming the problem can be shut off, and rebadges it as a celeron, I don't exactly know how this process works, but it's probably easier to describe in the terms of video cards because the same concept applies for pixel pipelines. If during the processing of a 16 pipeline card, one of the pipelines didn't come out right, the company turns off 4 pipelines (they're grouped in 4's) in which the bad pipeline was included and sell the card as a different model with 12 pipelines. Hence why you can unlock shut off pipelines in some circumstances (don't think you'd want to do this with processors though).

Pr0 · 01-31-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Starwarsman

Ok here's my situation. I have two computers, one is a (Gateway) Pentium 4 1.8 ghz, and the other is a (Dell) Celeron 2.4 ghz. My question is, which one is better? Celeron is older technology right? Aren't Pentium 4's supposed to be faster/more reliable?

The reason I want to know is, I play several games, and I want to hook my good video card to the better system. The Celeron seems a bit "shifty" to me, I don't know it just seems wierd (It could be the fact that its a new computer). Thanks.

The p4 has fewer cycles, but doing more work per cycle, where the celeron has more cycles but is doing less per cycle.

So you choose which one is best for you more cycles or more work per cycle.

**Cromewell** · 01-31-2006, 08:29 PM

Not in this case, I would consider a Northwood Celeron to be equal to a Willamette P4 even though it has less cache. The Celeron is actaully using newer technology than your P4

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theyre bringing P3 architecture back to the desktop btw, and pentium m IS pentium 3 architecture.

Actually the PIII is what's called P6 architecture and P4s use NetBurst

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Verve Diamond Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Age: 18 Posts: 2,497	Ok, I'll try to get a benchmark program. Also, how do I find out which chip I am using? Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is new territory to me. __________________ Formerly Starwarsman HP DV6885 Special Edition Core2Duo T8100 @ 2.1 GHz 3GB DDR2 Ram 250GB SATA HDD Geforce 8400m GS Vista Home Premium SP1 The Masterplan

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Verve Diamond Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Age: 18 Posts: 2,497	ah, ok I get it. The code name. Here it is: P4: Williamette Celeron: Northwood __________________ Formerly Starwarsman HP DV6885 Special Edition Core2Duo T8100 @ 2.1 GHz 3GB DDR2 Ram 250GB SATA HDD Geforce 8400m GS Vista Home Premium SP1 The Masterplan

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01-30-2006, 04:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
ckfordy banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Madison, Minnesota Age: 18 Posts: 2,744	i would think the pentium 4 would be better then the celeron. even if the celeron has a higher clockspeed it doesnt mean anything.

01-31-2006, 05:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
suprasteve Diamond Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,355	ok well hopefully I can set you guys traight as to where celeron's come from (assuming I wasn't misinformed). During the manufacturing process, many things don't come out just perfectly. When there are slight issues with a processor, Intel basically "shuts down" the parts that don't work on a P4 assuming the problem can be shut off, and rebadges it as a celeron, I don't exactly know how this process works, but it's probably easier to describe in the terms of video cards because the same concept applies for pixel pipelines. If during the processing of a 16 pipeline card, one of the pipelines didn't come out right, the company turns off 4 pipelines (they're grouped in 4's) in which the bad pipeline was included and sell the card as a different model with 12 pipelines. Hence why you can unlock shut off pipelines in some circumstances (don't think you'd want to do this with processors though).