Help me pick some comp parts . . .

Crash5291 · 10-15-2004, 12:10 AM

Hey

i have been having troubles with my laptop for a bit (Pavilion N5495) and would like to try my hand at building a desktop. this is somthing i have not done but would like to give a shot at it

so far my list consists of:

Enermax black case Model CSX656TA-B
Enermax 460W Whisper II power supply Model "EG465P-VE FMA 1.3"
Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Mother board
Intel P4 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading - Processor
OCZ Enhanced Latency Serices 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
Maxtor Ultra Series kit 120gb Model#: L01M120
ATI AIW Radeon 9600, 128MB DDR, 128bit, 8XAGP Model#: ALL-IN-WONDER 9600
Plextor DVD +/- RW drive Model#: PX--712SA/SW-BL
Mitsumi Digital card reader/Floppy drive Model#: FA404A/404M

basicaly this ws what i can afford for now and i will add another HDD and more Ram later on (id like to see 240GB/1GB for each)

what is your thoughts on this assortment of parts?
oh i mainly plan to use it for Net, music, and some video editing

thanks all
Joe C

RHC #102

Jkun · 10-15-2004, 12:11 AM

Not to be shitty, but if someone replies to this, and ignores my (urgent), same-topic thread, I'm going to act like a twelve year old.

**Praetor** · 10-15-2004, 02:58 PM

1. If you posted in a more appropriate section, it would get dealt with faster.

2. Thread hijacking isnt nice

3. Nice mobo but you're gonna be uberlimited by the CPU. Consider upping the CPU to at least the 2.80GHz (if its a P4C) and 3.0 (if its a P4E). Now noting that you want to use it for video editing ... you might want to try and squeeze 1GB of RAM in there

Crash5291 · 10-16-2004, 06:14 AM

Whats the differance between the 2.8C and teh 2.8E? since i can get the E cheaper than the C??? (just wondering even though im thinking i will go with the 3.0E)

I'm trying to keep my budget at or under $1000-$1200 CAD

So far this is how i refined the system
Case - Same as above
Power supply - Same as above
Mobo - Same as above
CPU - Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail
Ram - Kingston 512MB DDR PC3200, Non-ECC, un Bufferd, 3-3-3 (twin sticks 1gb total)
HDD - Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD800JD, OEM Drive Only (will add more storage space later on when it fits the budget)
Video - Same as above
CD Drive - ASUS 52x32x52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive, Model CRW-5232AS, OEM Black Bulk (will get the dvd burner later when a good one will ft the budget)
all this added up in american $$ is about $850 leaving $50 for misc parts (prices from newegg)

anyways still look ok or was the old list better?
Thanks again
Joe

and to Jkun: "I'm going to act like a 12 year old." ??? i mean to start no wars or flame threads but i found that little post to be quite distasteful and much like somthing i woulds expect from a young teen not a young adult like yourself. posting like that would only encourage me to skip your post not to hurry to post in it.
anyways later all

**Praetor** · 10-16-2004, 06:02 PM

Pentium 4 - Willamette
Designation: P4-<clk> (where clk is the clock speed of the proc)
Speeds: 1.30GHz -- 2.00 GHz
Bus/FSB: 100MHz (400QDR)
L2 Cache: 256K
Process: 0.18
Interface: Socket 423 (initially) and Socket 478 (later)
Pipecount: 20
Status: Discontinued

Pentium 4 - NorthwoodA
Designation: P4A-<clk> or P4-<clk>A (where clk is the clock speed of the proc)
Speeds: 1.60GHz -- 2.60 GHz
Bus/FSB: 100MHz (400QDR)
L2 Cache: 512K
Process: 0.13
Interface: Socket 478
Pipecount: 20
Status: Discontinued

Pentium 4 - NorthwoodB
Designation: P4B-<clk> or P4-<clk>B (where clk is the clock speed of the proc)
Speeds: 2.23GHz -- 3.06 GHz
Bus/FSB: 133MHz (533QDR)
L2 Cache: 512K
Process: 0.13
Interface: Socket 478
Pipecount: 20
Status: Obsolete

Pentium 4 - NorthwoodC
Designation: P4C-<clk> or P4-<clk>C (where clk is the clock speed of the proc)
Speeds: 2.40GHz -- 3.40 GHz
Bus/FSB: 200MHz (800QDR)
L2 Cache: 512K
Process: 0.13
Interface: Socket 478
Pipecount: 20
Status: Current

Pentium 4 - Prescott
Designation: P4E-<clk> or P4-<clk>E (where clk is the clock speed of the proc)
Speeds: 2.80GHz -- 3.60 GHz
Bus/FSB: 200MHz (800QDR)
L2 Cache: 1024K
Process: 0.09
Interface: Socket 478 and Socket 775
Pipecount: 30
Status: Current

The significant difference between the P4C and the P4E is the fact that the P4E has a much longer pipeline and this has two results: (a) the longer pipecount allows the clock speeds to be scaled much higher and (b) each clock cycle becomes significantly less efficient. What this means is that comparing a P4C-3.0 and P4E-3.0 ... the NorthwoodC will win. We've seen the same thing happen between the P3-1.30Ghz and the P4-1.30 ... the Pentium3 chip won (and we've seen this approach used by AMD since damn near forever). For reference, the P3 had a 10 stage pipeline, the AthlonXPs, 15 and the Athlon64s, 17.

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(prices from newegg)

Do note that Newegg doesnt ship to Canada.

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and to Jkun: "I'm going to act like a 12 year old." ??? I mean to start no wars or flame threads but I found that little post to be quite distasteful and much like somthing I woulds expect from a young teen not a young adult like yourself. posting like that would only encourage me to skip your post not to hurry to post in it.

Bah let it drop. I'm sure it wont happen again.

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Location: Ontario, Canada

You dont happen to be near Waterloo do you?

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I'm trying to keep my budget at or under $1000-$1200 CAD

=========
CONFIG 01
=========
ASUS P4P800-SE 122
Pentium 4 3.0C GHz 512KB cache RETAIL BOX 251
Corsair Value Select 1GB Kit 259
MSI GeForceFX5900XT 128MB VIVO 269
WD 160GB 8MB 115
Pioneer DVR-108 16X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer (Black) 111
8-in-1 Memory Reader 25
ASUS 52x32x52 CD-RW Black 39
NET $1191 + tax

=========
CONFIG 02
=========
ASUS P4C800 Deluxe 212
Pentium 4 3.0C GHz 512KB cache RETAIL BOX 251
Corsair Value Select 1GB Kit 259
MSI GeForceFX-5700LE 256MB 169
WD 160GB 8MB 115
Pioneer DVR-108 16X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer (Black) 111
ASUS 52x32x52 CD-RW Black 39
8-in-1 Memory Reader 25

NET $1181 + tax

=========
CONFIG 03
=========
ASUS P4C800 Deluxe 212
Pentium 4 3.0C GHz 512KB cache RETAIL BOX 251
Corsair Value Select 1GB Kit 259
ASUS A9550GE/TD 128MB (128bit) 93
WD 160GB 8MB 115
Pioneer DVR-108 16X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer (Black) 111
8-in-1 Memory Reader 25
NET $1102 + tax

=========
CONFIG 04
=========
ASUS P4C800 Deluxe 212
Pentium 4 3.0C GHz 512KB cache RETAIL BOX 251
Corsair Value Select 1GB Kit 259
Radeon9200SE 128MB 60
WD 160GB 8MB 115
Pioneer DVR-108 16X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer (Black) 111
8-in-1 Memory Reader 25
NET $1033 + tax

*all prices in CAD

Crash5291 · 10-17-2004, 12:25 AM

Nope im 3hrs east of Toronto (1000 islands area)

where did you get the prices from for the config 1 through 4???

Thanks for the info
Joe

**Praetor** · 10-17-2004, 04:20 AM

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where did you get the prices from for the config 1 through 4???

Local stores really ... i dont buy much online

Crash5291 · 10-17-2004, 06:27 AM

i see
i just sent a e-mail to another semi-local store in hopes of even a reply

for the same HDD its $20 more, ram (brand unknown) is $31 uver your listed, $14 more for P4 3.0C, $20 more for MSI FX5700LE-TA256

Anyways thanks for all the great help
Joe C

**Praetor** · 10-17-2004, 05:49 PM

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for the same HDD its $20 more, ram (brand unknown) is $31 uver your listed, $14 more for P4 3.0C, $20 more for MSI FX5700LE-TA256

Not bad ... ive been in the business for some time so odds are i can nail prices fairly low but thats not too bad

Crash5291 · 10-22-2004, 05:13 AM

ok after a bit of looking and listening to some freinds thoughts on motherborads and CPU's i have narowed it down to these pair

Asus P4P800-SE and P4 3.0C
or
Abit KV8 and Athlon 64 3000+

what set would be better suited to gaming and video editing ?

im was to un decicive on this (and have no preferance to AMD or Intel yet so thats not helping)

im hoping to look and buy some stuff this weekend if i find it localy and at good pricing

thoughts please
Thanks
Joe

10-15-2004, 12:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
Crash5291 Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 102	Help me pick some comp parts . . . Hey i have been having troubles with my laptop for a bit (Pavilion N5495) and would like to try my hand at building a desktop. this is somthing i have not done but would like to give a shot at it so far my list consists of: Enermax black case Model CSX656TA-B Enermax 460W Whisper II power supply Model "EG465P-VE FMA 1.3" Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Mother board Intel P4 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading - Processor OCZ Enhanced Latency Serices 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 Maxtor Ultra Series kit 120gb Model#: L01M120 ATI AIW Radeon 9600, 128MB DDR, 128bit, 8XAGP Model#: ALL-IN-WONDER 9600 Plextor DVD +/- RW drive Model#: PX--712SA/SW-BL Mitsumi Digital card reader/Floppy drive Model#: FA404A/404M basicaly this ws what i can afford for now and i will add another HDD and more Ram later on (id like to see 240GB/1GB for each) what is your thoughts on this assortment of parts? oh i mainly plan to use it for Net, music, and some video editing thanks all Joe C RHC #102 Last edited by Crash5291; 10-15-2004 at 04:13 AM. Reason: to fix some wording

10-15-2004, 12:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jkun Bronze Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: RI Age: 21 Posts: 34	Not to be shitty, but if someone replies to this, and ignores my (urgent), same-topic thread, I'm going to act like a twelve year old. Last edited by Jkun; 10-15-2004 at 12:16 AM.

10-15-2004, 02:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
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10-16-2004, 06:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Crash5291 Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 102	Whats the differance between the 2.8C and teh 2.8E? since i can get the E cheaper than the C??? (just wondering even though im thinking i will go with the 3.0E) I'm trying to keep my budget at or under $1000-$1200 CAD So far this is how i refined the system Case - Same as above Power supply - Same as above Mobo - Same as above CPU - Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail Ram - Kingston 512MB DDR PC3200, Non-ECC, un Bufferd, 3-3-3 (twin sticks 1gb total) HDD - Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD800JD, OEM Drive Only (will add more storage space later on when it fits the budget) Video - Same as above CD Drive - ASUS 52x32x52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive, Model CRW-5232AS, OEM Black Bulk (will get the dvd burner later when a good one will ft the budget) all this added up in american $$ is about $850 leaving $50 for misc parts (prices from newegg) anyways still look ok or was the old list better? Thanks again Joe and to Jkun: "I'm going to act like a 12 year old." ??? i mean to start no wars or flame threads but i found that little post to be quite distasteful and much like somthing i woulds expect from a young teen not a young adult like yourself. posting like that would only encourage me to skip your post not to hurry to post in it. anyways later all

10-17-2004, 12:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
Crash5291 Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 102	Nope im 3hrs east of Toronto (1000 islands area) where did you get the prices from for the config 1 through 4??? Thanks for the info Joe

10-17-2004, 06:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
Crash5291 Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 102	i see i just sent a e-mail to another semi-local store in hopes of even a reply for the same HDD its $20 more, ram (brand unknown) is $31 uver your listed, $14 more for P4 3.0C, $20 more for MSI FX5700LE-TA256 Anyways thanks for all the great help Joe C

10-22-2004, 05:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
Crash5291 Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 102	ok after a bit of looking and listening to some freinds thoughts on motherborads and CPU's i have narowed it down to these pair Asus P4P800-SE and P4 3.0C or Abit KV8 and Athlon 64 3000+ what set would be better suited to gaming and video editing ? im was to un decicive on this (and have no preferance to AMD or Intel yet so thats not helping) im hoping to look and buy some stuff this weekend if i find it localy and at good pricing thoughts please Thanks Joe