Please read this conversation (or at least skim it to get the idea, because it is long) and make your opinion on who is right
At the same time, have a good laugh.
btw Bobo6374 is me, monkeysims123 is monkeysims, Encore4More is himself, TOOTheOtherOne is The_Other_One, and j O 19 8 78 0 is JP198780
Bobo6374(10:00:17 PM): who is here?
monkeysims123(10:00:22 PM): me and encore
Bobo6374(10:00:25 PM): ahhh....\
Bobo6374(10:00:30 PM): well i don't have much time
Encore4More(10:00:35 PM): lol
monkeysims123(10:00:35 PM): bobo, tell encore that 4gb is an overkill
Encore4More(10:00:39 PM): lol
Encore4More(10:00:42 PM): 4gb is overkill
Encore4More(10:00:44 PM): right now
Bobo6374(10:00:46 PM): 4gb is total overkill
Encore4More(10:00:46 PM): dude
monkeysims123(10:00:52 PM): and will be when vista comes
Bobo6374(10:00:56 PM): and by the time it will be needed, the rest of the computer will be crap
Encore4More(10:00:58 PM): OMG
monkeysims123(10:01:17 PM): vista is going to be reliant on more than ram
Encore4More(10:01:18 PM): listen people freaked out when they heard of 2GB harddrives
Encore4More(10:01:31 PM): only 8 years ago
Encore4More(10:01:40 PM): in 8 years, we got 250 times as good
monkeysims123(10:01:47 PM): what the hell do harddrives have to do with ram?
Encore4More(10:01:54 PM): fine
Bobo6374(10:01:58 PM): yeah and did the motherboards, ram, and video cards from 8 years ago survive until now>?
Bobo6374(10:02:01 PM): no, i didn't think so
Encore4More(10:02:06 PM): no
Encore4More(10:02:18 PM): but my mobo came stocked with 32MB ram
Encore4More(10:02:23 PM): and is upgradable to 512
Encore4More(10:02:29 PM): a ram amount still used today
Encore4More(10:02:36 PM): who is the new dude?
Bobo6374(10:03:08 PM): in 3 years, when 4gb will be standard, the ram will be running atlike 800mhz, at which point you would have to upgrade the rest of thestuff to have current ram
Bobo6374(10:03:19 PM): or you could just get 4gb in that time, which the motherboard still supports
Encore4More(10:03:32 PM): in 3 years the guy is gona build a new Puter
Encore4More(10:03:37 PM): ok, my P3 system
Encore4More(10:03:40 PM): i still use
Encore4More(10:03:42 PM): to this day
Encore4More(10:03:52 PM): mainly because i don't have the currency to buy a new system
Encore4More(10:04:00 PM): but it was manufatured in 2000
Encore4More(10:04:05 PM): actually 1999 i think
Encore4More(10:04:20 PM): it cam stock with 32MB of ram
Bobo6374(10:04:22 PM): if the guy is going to biuld a new computer in 3 years, then whatis the point in making it easier to upgrade to something that he willnever need?
Encore4More(10:04:37 PM): he would upgrade late to mid next year
Encore4More(10:04:39 PM): hold on
Encore4More(10:04:41 PM): im not done
Bobo6374(10:04:43 PM): exactly, to 2gb
Encore4More(10:05:00 PM): if u read
Bobo6374(10:05:06 PM): i don't read
monkeysims123(10:05:11 PM): me niether
monkeysims123(10:05:13 PM): neither
Bobo6374(10:05:18 PM): :-D
Encore4More(10:05:22 PM): u would see that mid next year he upgrades to 4gb
Encore4More(10:05:28 PM): but that is only if u read
Bobo6374(10:05:31 PM): why would he?
monkeysims123(10:05:39 PM): he wont need it
Encore4More(10:05:41 PM): BECAUSE did u look at the chart
Encore4More(10:05:44 PM): and see how fast
Encore4More(10:05:47 PM): ram progresses
monkeysims123(10:05:50 PM): WHAT CHART!!!!!!1
Bobo6374(10:05:53 PM): i don't give a shit about the chart
Encore4More(10:05:54 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:05:57 PM): even tho there isn't one
Encore4More(10:06:00 PM): u didn't read
Encore4More(10:06:08 PM): did u look at my articles?
Encore4More(10:06:13 PM): i researched?
Encore4More(10:06:15 PM): did u?
Encore4More(10:06:24 PM): did u research?
monkeysims123(10:06:25 PM): no we dont read your articles cause they're wrong most of the time
Bobo6374(10:06:27 PM): next year, having 4gb isn't going to do diddlycrap if he still has a 7900gt and that processor
monkeysims123(10:06:40 PM): thank you
Bobo6374(10:06:45 PM): we aren't talking about articles and their relevance, we are talking about the balancedness of the system
Encore4More(10:06:49 PM): he would upgrade...
Encore4More(10:06:55 PM): yes balanced
Encore4More(10:07:01 PM): i am using my system as an anology
monkeysims123(10:07:05 PM): he wont need to upgrade!
Bobo6374(10:07:07 PM): no, having 4gb with those parts isn't balanced
Bobo6374(10:07:20 PM): we should have praetor in this
monkeysims123(10:07:24 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:07:28 PM): just to see what he would say
Encore4More(10:07:28 PM): let me use my system, because it is a relic of the past...
Encore4More(10:07:32 PM): n0ow let met tlk
monkeysims123(10:07:34 PM): i can get the_other_one
Bobo6374(10:07:41 PM): exactly why you shouldn't be using it, because it is a relic of the past
Encore4More(10:07:47 PM): i will get the other 1
Encore4More(10:08:18 PM): hey
Encore4More(10:08:19 PM): wait
Encore4More(10:08:22 PM): let me ask him first
Encore4More(10:08:54 PM): do you think 4GB ram will be used at then end of next year, in gaming systems with vista? judging by how RAM has progressed?
Bobo6374(10:08:56 PM): lol...fighting over who gets him
Bobo6374(10:09:08 PM): nonono that isn't the question
Encore4More(10:09:13 PM): yes
Encore4More(10:09:14 PM): it is
Encore4More(10:09:17 PM): the quiestion
Bobo6374(10:09:26 PM): it could be used, of course, but the thing is that it won't be good in that system
Encore4More(10:09:33 PM): o it wont be
monkeysims123(10:09:42 PM): not with that cpu and video card
Encore4More(10:09:45 PM): that is why he has an AM2 mobo that is xtremely upgradable
monkeysims123(10:10:03 PM): just about every mobo will support 4gb
monkeysims123(10:10:13 PM): does*
Encore4More(10:10:14 PM): that isn't why
Encore4More(10:10:25 PM): it is upgradable because it supports AM3
TOOTheOtherOne(10:10:26 PM): I ran vista on a system with 1G without any problems, and my current system has never used over 1G of memory. So no, I see no reason they'll need 4G
Encore4More(10:10:37 PM): i ran XP
Encore4More(10:10:40 PM): with 256mb
Encore4More(10:10:42 PM): no problem
monkeysims123(10:10:43 PM): thank you T_O_o'
Encore4More(10:10:48 PM): how come we have 2gb?
TOOTheOtherOne(10:10:50 PM): I ran XP with 64M
Encore4More(10:10:51 PM): now
Bobo6374(10:10:54 PM): he should start now with 2x512, to have dual channel, then laterhe could add another 1gb or another 2gb and still be in dual channel
monkeysims123(10:11:01 PM): right
monkeysims123(10:11:07 PM): no 1gb stick encore
monkeysims123(10:11:14 PM): 2*512
Encore4More(10:11:17 PM): monkeysims123: bobo, tell encore that 4gb is an overkill
Encore4More(10:11:18 PM): Encore4More:do you think 4GB ram will be used at then end of next year, in gaming systems with vista? judging by how RAM has progressed?
Bobo6374(10:11:20 PM): to have a total of either 2gb or 3gb, if he really needs that much in the future
Encore4More(10:11:20 PM): huh?
Bobo6374(10:11:37 PM): i was responding to my other post
Bobo6374(10:11:56 PM): he should start now with 2x512, to have dual channel, then laterhecould add another 1gb or another 2gb and still be in dual channelto have a total of either 2gb or 3gb, if he really needs that much in the futu
Bobo6374(10:12:04 PM): that is what i was trying to say but you type too fast
Encore4More(10:12:06 PM): Encore4More:do you think 4GB ram will be used at then end of next year, in gaming systems with vista? judging by how RAM has progressed?
Bobo6374(10:12:12 PM): no
monkeysims123(10:12:14 PM): NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Encore4More(10:12:16 PM): monkeysims123: bobo, tell encore that 4gb is an overkill
Encore4More(10:12:17 PM): Bobo6374: nonono that isn't the question
Encore4More(10:12:28 PM): wait wait
Bobo6374(10:12:33 PM): it is the question now, but not the original question
Encore4More(10:12:58 PM): wait what is the question now and what is the original question?
Bobo6374(10:13:11 PM): i don't even know, you started the whole thing
monkeysims123(10:13:31 PM): you should know your own question
Encore4More(10:13:53 PM): actually monkeysims did...
Encore4More(10:13:53 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:13:54 PM): we first started on whether he should get 2x512 or 1x1gb
Bobo6374(10:14:03 PM): then we went to the balancedness of the system
Encore4More(10:14:08 PM): yes
Bobo6374(10:14:12 PM): and now whether or not 4gb will be used by next year
Encore4More(10:14:17 PM): yes
Bobo6374(10:14:27 PM): and we haven't answered any of them
monkeysims123(10:14:29 PM): but it wont nesicarlly be neded
monkeysims123(10:14:31 PM): needed
TOOTheOtherOne(10:14:37 PM): People, 2G isn't even needed now, why on earth would 4G be required?
Bobo6374(10:14:41 PM): exactly
monkeysims123(10:14:45 PM): correct
Encore4More(10:14:46 PM): 2g?
Encore4More(10:14:47 PM): yes
monkeysims123(10:14:52 PM): 512mb is good enough
Encore4More(10:14:53 PM): 1g lags in BF2
Encore4More(10:15:01 PM): WE ARE TALIIING ABOUT A GAMING SYSTEM
Encore4More(10:15:02 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:15:02 PM): with what system?
Bobo6374(10:15:12 PM): what system lags in bf2 with 1gb?
TOOTheOtherOne(10:15:19 PM): Agreed... therea re many other factors than just RAM causing lags
monkeysims123(10:15:27 PM): gpu, cpu
Bobo6374(10:15:32 PM): hdd
Bobo6374(10:15:40 PM): (not as big a factor of course)
Encore4More(10:15:40 PM): 3800+ X2 &7600GT
Encore4More(10:15:41 PM): 1gb
Encore4More(10:15:43 PM): dualchannel
Bobo6374(10:16:00 PM): but he will have a 7900, not a 7600
Bobo6374(10:16:06 PM): there is a big difference between the 2
Encore4More(10:16:10 PM): still, new games are comming out
Bobo6374(10:16:31 PM): which is why he would upgrade to 2gb or 3gb later
Bobo6374(10:16:49 PM): but still have a better (dual-channeled) and balanced system now,
Bobo6374(10:17:02 PM): byebye the other one
Encore4More(10:17:28 PM): i made a chart on how much RAM was used over the last 5 years, how much ram system has... if u logically continue you will see that 4GB will next year, be like what 2gb is now...
Encore4More(10:17:30 PM): i.e.
Bobo6374(10:17:44 PM): but nobody needs 2gb right now
monkeysims123(10:17:45 PM): Encore, build your own rig and then talk to me
Encore4More(10:18:10 PM): Bobo6374: but nobody needs 2gb right now
j O 19 8 78 0(10:18:15 PM): i only internet, soo i wont even need 512 RAM, but might upgrade
Bobo6374(10:18:22 PM): well i shouldn't say nobody
Encore4More(10:18:27 PM): peopel with the specs i told u do
Encore4More(10:18:32 PM): if they want to play BF2
Encore4More(10:18:42 PM): people that want ot multi task do
Bobo6374(10:18:47 PM): i have 1gb and i am running 12 windows right now with f@h in the background, i don't even come close to using 1gb
Encore4More(10:19:04 PM): 12 windows?
Bobo6374(10:19:12 PM): yes, 12 windows
Encore4More(10:19:12 PM): that doesn't mean anything
Encore4More(10:19:18 PM): what are the tasks?
monkeysims123(10:19:19 PM): i have 8 running and am only using 300mb of ram
Bobo6374(10:19:19 PM): it means something
Encore4More(10:19:24 PM): ket me say this
Encore4More(10:19:35 PM): would u turn down 2gb because u don't need it?
Encore4More(10:19:40 PM): let*
Encore4More(10:19:50 PM): monkeysims123: i have 8 running and am only using 300mb of ram
Bobo6374(10:19:53 PM): yes, because i wouldn't waste money right now on it
Encore4More(10:19:53 PM): u are lying
Encore4More(10:20:09 PM): i am using exactly 300MB
monkeysims123(10:20:10 PM): nope
Encore4More(10:20:17 PM): and i just have aim and mozilla on
monkeysims123(10:20:18 PM): of your 384mb
Encore4More(10:20:24 PM): yep
Bobo6374(10:20:26 PM): i am using 466mb
monkeysims123(10:20:35 PM): your comp is old though encore
Encore4More(10:20:39 PM): so?
Bobo6374(10:20:42 PM): and uses slow ram
Encore4More(10:20:44 PM): so?
monkeysims123(10:20:51 PM): it will use up more
Bobo6374(10:20:51 PM): remember that not only ram quantity increases, but also speed
j O 19 8 78 0(10:20:58 PM): my computers are old 2
Bobo6374(10:21:02 PM): which is why he would get ddr2-800
monkeysims123(10:21:09 PM): correct
Encore4More(10:21:23 PM): no
Encore4More(10:21:26 PM): my dad has 2gb ram
Bobo6374(10:21:33 PM): so does my dad
Encore4More(10:21:38 PM): wait
Bobo6374(10:21:44 PM): but it is pc133, with a piii processor
Encore4More(10:21:47 PM): why does anyone need more then 1gb?
Encore4More(10:21:59 PM): because some games recomend 1gb?
Bobo6374(10:22:02 PM): my dad runs ansys, which can use up to 128gb or ram
Encore4More(10:22:26 PM): how many ppl on CF have 2gb of ram?
monkeysims123(10:22:27 PM): ansys utilizes whatever ram amount you have doesnt it
Bobo6374(10:22:34 PM): pretty much
Encore4More(10:22:38 PM): yep
monkeysims123(10:22:40 PM): not many have 2gb
Encore4More(10:22:43 PM): no
monkeysims123(10:22:50 PM): most have 1gb
Encore4More(10:22:51 PM): praetor has 2gb
Bobo6374(10:22:55 PM): that's praetor
Encore4More(10:22:56 PM): obviously he sees some bonus to it
Bobo6374(10:23:11 PM): then why don't you ask him what that bonus is?
Bobo6374(10:23:18 PM): also notice the rest of his computer
Encore4More(10:23:19 PM): i really want to
Encore4More(10:23:29 PM): yea he has a nice puter
Bobo6374(10:23:31 PM): it is considerably better than what this person is building, and more suited to have 2gb
Bobo6374(10:23:44 PM): by this person i mean whoever started the $800 computer thread
Encore4More(10:23:55 PM): Bobo6374: it is considerably better than what this person is buildin
Encore4More(10:23:56 PM): no
Encore4More(10:24:01 PM): he has the same graphics card
Encore4More(10:24:11 PM): and socket 939
Encore4More(10:24:19 PM): x2
Encore4More(10:24:21 PM): 4200+
Bobo6374(10:24:24 PM): but doesn't he have a high x2?
Bobo6374(10:24:26 PM): and raid?
Encore4More(10:24:33 PM): that is the harddrives!!!
Encore4More(10:24:40 PM): u said considerally better
Bobo6374(10:24:40 PM): idk...he changes his computer so often, he used to have a 4800