Semprons N' XP's

Seth · 03-21-2006, 09:58 AM

Hey, just wonderig with Athlon XP's having been discontinued for so long wouldn't Semprons be better performers in both office work and gaming now? Particuarly as Semprons are in socket 754 not A like the XP's?

fade2green514 · 03-22-2006, 05:55 PM

not necessarily. semprons are slower cores, but sometimes clock higher. it depends on which one, and for what interface you get it for. personally i would rather an athlon XP at 2ghz than a sempron at 2.2ghz. then again, sempron's will be compatible with pci-e and such, but theyre mostly the new aged (now 64-bit) budget processors... mostly for managed computers in a network, or a home computer that's not used for gaming.
btw nice pic, haha ATI the way its meant to be played. i like both brands

Seth · 03-23-2006, 09:29 AM

i could say the same bout ur pic.. i like both aswell. But back on topic wouldn't Semprons be better now because of new technologies and such coming out at the moment and XP's are built on old ones...

OvenMaster · 03-23-2006, 04:44 PM

Don't Semprons have the same cache sizes as XP's? I thought I'd seen somewhere that some Semprons are roughly equal to some older XP's, performance-wise.
Tom

[-0MEGA-] · 03-23-2006, 04:49 PM

Semprons have 256KB L2 Cache. And a 2800+ is clocked at 1.6Ghz.

Filip · 03-23-2006, 04:57 PM

and some of them even have 128KB like 2600+ and 3000+

4W4K3 · 03-23-2006, 06:19 PM

Just considering performance I think the XP's are better. Higher cache goes to the XP line, the Barton core had 512KB L2 cache.

The Sempron definetly has more support (someone mentioned SLi) and is on a newer socket, but that doesn't make the CPU any faster. It just means it's better for today's computers as far as support and compatibility goes.

If overclocking were added in the mix I'd rather have my old XP-M 2600+ Barton and a decent Socket462 mobo and cooling. We'd be looking @ ~2.8GHz, maybe 280FSB with a volt mod and able RAM

Clutch · 03-24-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fade2green514

personally i would rather an athlon XP at 2ghz than a sempron at 2.2ghz.

So according to what you are saying, you would rather have a 2GHz Athlon XP Palomino or Thoroughbred than a 2.2GHz Sempron?

You need to specifiy which Athlon XP core you are talking about.

fade2green514 · 03-24-2006, 10:03 PM

sempron != athlon XP.
thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better.
they name it differently on purpose.
i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express.

[-0MEGA-] · 03-24-2006, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fade2green514

sempron != athlon XP.
thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better.
they name it differently on purpose.
i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express.

Its not that far apart, your analogy would be like an Athlon 64 vs a Sempron.

and what do you mean no one uses 100% of their cpu? Whenever you game your using very close to 100%. And when your encoding a DVD its at 100%.

03-21-2006, 09:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Seth Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 244	Semprons N' XP's Hey, just wonderig with Athlon XP's having been discontinued for so long wouldn't Semprons be better performers in both office work and gaming now? Particuarly as Semprons are in socket 754 not A like the XP's? __________________ Desktop - Custom Build CPU: Intel E8200 @ 3.4Ghz Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 RAM: 2GB Corsair TwinX6400C4DHX GRAPHICS: eVGA 8800GT 512MB HDD: X2 Samsung 500GB & X1 320GB = 1.3TB CASE & Cooling: Antec 900 & Zalman 9700NT Laptop - Asus F3E-AP183C CPU: Core2 Duo T7250 @ 2.2Ghz RAM: 2GB Kingston 667 HDD: 160GB Seagate

03-22-2006, 05:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
fade2green514 Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: buffalo ny Age: 19 Posts: 3,434	not necessarily. semprons are slower cores, but sometimes clock higher. it depends on which one, and for what interface you get it for. personally i would rather an athlon XP at 2ghz than a sempron at 2.2ghz. then again, sempron's will be compatible with pci-e and such, but theyre mostly the new aged (now 64-bit) budget processors... mostly for managed computers in a network, or a home computer that's not used for gaming. btw nice pic, haha ATI the way its meant to be played. i like both brands __________________ Core 2 Duo e6300 (2.71ghz o/ced)(Q6600 soon!) Thermaltake Big Typhoon CPU cooler DFI Infinity 975X motherboard Radeon HD 4850 512mb (700mhz/2200mhz) 2x2gb G.Skill ddr2-800 4-4-4-12 (2.1v) 2x80gb WD 8mb sata2 in RAID 0 system drive 1x250gb Seagate 7200.9 storage drive Windows Vista x64

03-23-2006, 09:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
Seth Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 244	i could say the same bout ur pic.. i like both aswell. But back on topic wouldn't Semprons be better now because of new technologies and such coming out at the moment and XP's are built on old ones... __________________ Desktop - Custom Build CPU: Intel E8200 @ 3.4Ghz Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 RAM: 2GB Corsair TwinX6400C4DHX GRAPHICS: eVGA 8800GT 512MB HDD: X2 Samsung 500GB & X1 320GB = 1.3TB CASE & Cooling: Antec 900 & Zalman 9700NT Laptop - Asus F3E-AP183C CPU: Core2 Duo T7250 @ 2.2Ghz RAM: 2GB Kingston 667 HDD: 160GB Seagate

03-23-2006, 04:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
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03-23-2006, 04:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
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03-23-2006, 04:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Filip Diamond Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Croatia Age: 19 Posts: 1,977	and some of them even have 128KB like 2600+ and 3000+

03-23-2006, 06:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
4W4K3 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lewisville, TX Age: 20 Posts: 6,860	Just considering performance I think the XP's are better. Higher cache goes to the XP line, the Barton core had 512KB L2 cache. The Sempron definetly has more support (someone mentioned SLi) and is on a newer socket, but that doesn't make the CPU any faster. It just means it's better for today's computers as far as support and compatibility goes. If overclocking were added in the mix I'd rather have my old XP-M 2600+ Barton and a decent Socket462 mobo and cooling. We'd be looking @ ~2.8GHz, maybe 280FSB with a volt mod and able RAM __________________ My Computer I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe. Can I eat your brain? FOLDING FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND :F@H Team 44358

03-24-2006, 10:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
fade2green514 Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: buffalo ny Age: 19 Posts: 3,434	sempron != athlon XP. thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better. they name it differently on purpose. i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express. __________________ Core 2 Duo e6300 (2.71ghz o/ced)(Q6600 soon!) Thermaltake Big Typhoon CPU cooler DFI Infinity 975X motherboard Radeon HD 4850 512mb (700mhz/2200mhz) 2x2gb G.Skill ddr2-800 4-4-4-12 (2.1v) 2x80gb WD 8mb sata2 in RAID 0 system drive 1x250gb Seagate 7200.9 storage drive Windows Vista x64

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