Semprons N' XP's

Clutch · 03-24-2006, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fade2green514

sempron != athlon XP.
thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better.
they name it differently on purpose.
i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express.

Ok, so let's say we have an Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino (1667@133x12.5) and a Sempron 2400+ Thoroughbred (1667@166x10).

Considering these two processors have the same amount of L2 cache (which they do, 256k), the Sempron 2400+ would clearly win, due to the FSB advantage over the Athlon XP 2000+. Not to mention that the Sempron 2400+ runs cooler than the Athlon XP 2000+.

But then again, when compared to a Barton core, the Athlon XP wins, hands down.

That's why you can't just say that the Athlon XP overall is a better chip, when it is not, in some cases.

Clutch · 03-24-2006, 11:34 PM

Oh yeah, and fade2green514, who would want to buy ram that only goes at 725MB/s (5800/8). If you didn't get my sarcasm, Gbps (as stated in your profile) is Gigabits per second, not Gigabytes per second (GB/s) which it should be.

Seth · 03-26-2006, 09:29 AM

Ok so we got alot into caches and so on but my main idea was that semprons (new ones atleast) would kill the XP's in every aspect due to their new technologies (754 and slie etc..)!!! it stands to reason that new CPU's will be better than older ones and the XP's have been a discontinued product for quite some time now!

**jancz3rt** · 03-26-2006, 03:42 PM

The Semprons for socket 754 come in two flavours. They are 64bit and 32bit versions available. The 64bit Semprons are basically A64s with less cache and perform much better than the Athlon XPs. However, socket A Semprons are basically Thoroughbred B Athlon XPs

Socket 754 32bit semprons will still perform better than the XPs. However if you can, get a Sempron 64

JAN

StrangleHold · 03-26-2006, 04:28 PM

Socket 754 32bit semprons will still perform better than the XPs. However if you can, get a Sempron 64

JAN

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Dont know about that! I have a Athlon XP 3000+ 462 and a buddy has a 754 Sempron 3100+ 32 bit, we have the same amount and size of ram, same size harddrive, but I have a better video card and mine seems faster in just about anything you do. The 754 32 bit Sempron 3100+ runs at 1.8ghz and my Athlon 462 3000+ runs at 2.167ghz, I dont think the 754s better memory controller makes up for the allmost 400 mhz losss in the cpu speed, plus the Athlon XP 3000+ has 512 of L2

Seth · 03-27-2006, 07:02 AM

So basicly the 64 bit Semprons are much better than the Xp's.. thats what i wanted to know.. So how do Sempron 64's shape up in the gaming zone?

**jancz3rt** · 03-27-2006, 01:44 PM

I have not seen any tests in particular but my friend has a socket 754 Sempron 64 OC'D to 2.7Ghz and it's a beast of a CPU. The smaller cache does not mean much when clocked at such high speeds. For your info, he has the DFI Infinity mobo for socket 754. If you are willing to consider OC'ing, it would be a very good performer and certainly a great bang for the buck! Just for comparison, with my Athlon 64 3000+ clocked @ 2.6Ghz, I get the same SUPERPI results as he does @ 2.7Ghz so there is very little performance difference (certainly less than we are made to believe).

JAN

OvenMaster · 03-27-2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jancz3rt

However, socket A Semprons are basically Thoroughbred B Athlon XPs

JAN

THAT was what I was trying to say but could not remember exactly which versions I had in mind. Thank you.
Tom

Seth · 03-28-2006, 10:05 AM

So if Semprons performe just about aswell as 64's (atleast when OC'ed) but are around $200 cheaper that isnt much insentive to go Athlon 64...atlest on my budget!

03-26-2006, 09:29 AM	#13 (permalink)
Seth Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 309	Ok so we got alot into caches and so on but my main idea was that semprons (new ones atleast) would kill the XP's in every aspect due to their new technologies (754 and slie etc..)!!! it stands to reason that new CPU's will be better than older ones and the XP's have been a discontinued product for quite some time now! __________________ Desktop - Custom Build CPU: Intel E8200 @ 3.4Ghz Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 RAM: 2GB Corsair TwinX6400C4DHX GRAPHICS: eVGA 8800GT 512MB HDD: X2 Samsung 500GB & X1 WD 750GB = 1.75TB CASE & Cooling: Antec 900 & Zalman 9700NT Laptop - Asus F3E-AP183C CPU: Core2 Duo T7250 @ 2.2Ghz RAM: 2GB Kingston 667 HDD: 160GB Seagate

03-26-2006, 03:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
jancz3rt Moderator - F@H Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Czech Republic Age: 23 Posts: 4,023	Heya The Semprons for socket 754 come in two flavours. They are 64bit and 32bit versions available. The 64bit Semprons are basically A64s with less cache and perform much better than the Athlon XPs. However, socket A Semprons are basically Thoroughbred B Athlon XPs Socket 754 32bit semprons will still perform better than the XPs. However if you can, get a Sempron 64 JAN __________________ A64 3700+ @ 2.65Ghz ::: 7300GT @ 600/1500 ::: 2GB RAM @ 440Mhz www.CZ3RT.com ::: FOLDING FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND ::: F@H Team 44358 Last edited by jancz3rt; 03-26-2006 at 03:45 PM.

03-26-2006, 04:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: And you think your safe! Posts: 8,606	Socket 754 32bit semprons will still perform better than the XPs. However if you can, get a Sempron 64 JAN [/quote] Dont know about that! I have a Athlon XP 3000+ 462 and a buddy has a 754 Sempron 3100+ 32 bit, we have the same amount and size of ram, same size harddrive, but I have a better video card and mine seems faster in just about anything you do. The 754 32 bit Sempron 3100+ runs at 1.8ghz and my Athlon 462 3000+ runs at 2.167ghz, I dont think the 754s better memory controller makes up for the allmost 400 mhz losss in the cpu speed, plus the Athlon XP 3000+ has 512 of L2 __________________ NZXT Apollo Phenom 8750BE 3.1ghz. Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 1066 4gb. PNY 8800GT/VD964 W/D RE2 Sata 3.0 500gb.

03-27-2006, 07:02 AM	#16 (permalink)
Seth Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 309	So basicly the 64 bit Semprons are much better than the Xp's.. thats what i wanted to know.. So how do Sempron 64's shape up in the gaming zone? __________________ Desktop - Custom Build CPU: Intel E8200 @ 3.4Ghz Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 RAM: 2GB Corsair TwinX6400C4DHX GRAPHICS: eVGA 8800GT 512MB HDD: X2 Samsung 500GB & X1 WD 750GB = 1.75TB CASE & Cooling: Antec 900 & Zalman 9700NT Laptop - Asus F3E-AP183C CPU: Core2 Duo T7250 @ 2.2Ghz RAM: 2GB Kingston 667 HDD: 160GB Seagate

03-27-2006, 01:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
jancz3rt Moderator - F@H Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Czech Republic Age: 23 Posts: 4,023	Heya I have not seen any tests in particular but my friend has a socket 754 Sempron 64 OC'D to 2.7Ghz and it's a beast of a CPU. The smaller cache does not mean much when clocked at such high speeds. For your info, he has the DFI Infinity mobo for socket 754. If you are willing to consider OC'ing, it would be a very good performer and certainly a great bang for the buck! Just for comparison, with my Athlon 64 3000+ clocked @ 2.6Ghz, I get the same SUPERPI results as he does @ 2.7Ghz so there is very little performance difference (certainly less than we are made to believe). JAN __________________ A64 3700+ @ 2.65Ghz ::: 7300GT @ 600/1500 ::: 2GB RAM @ 440Mhz www.CZ3RT.com ::: FOLDING FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND ::: F@H Team 44358

03-24-2006, 11:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Clutch banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 19 Posts: 572	Oh yeah, and fade2green514, who would want to buy ram that only goes at 725MB/s (5800/8). If you didn't get my sarcasm, Gbps (as stated in your profile) is Gigabits per second, not Gigabytes per second (GB/s) which it should be.

03-28-2006, 10:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
Seth Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 309	So if Semprons performe just about aswell as 64's (atleast when OC'ed) but are around $200 cheaper that isnt much insentive to go Athlon 64...atlest on my budget! __________________ Desktop - Custom Build CPU: Intel E8200 @ 3.4Ghz Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 RAM: 2GB Corsair TwinX6400C4DHX GRAPHICS: eVGA 8800GT 512MB HDD: X2 Samsung 500GB & X1 WD 750GB = 1.75TB CASE & Cooling: Antec 900 & Zalman 9700NT Laptop - Asus F3E-AP183C CPU: Core2 Duo T7250 @ 2.2Ghz RAM: 2GB Kingston 667 HDD: 160GB Seagate

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