Thinking of replacing my aging 1.2ghz AMD Duron PC need advice though

kiis102 · 04-22-2006, 05:42 PM

Hey guys

Im from UK, i have a AMD Duron processor PC right now which i brought about 6/7years back and is starting to get past its time and i feel a upgrade coming on with a budget of around £800 which has to include a monitor.

My Current PC spec is as follows:
AMD Duron 1200mhz (1.2ghz) Processor
632mb SDRAM (1x512 + 1x128)
Nvidea TNT2 Riva Model64 Pro 32mb Graphics card
290gb Hard Drive (1x250gb + 1x40gb)
Via AC'97 sound card

Ive upgraded since i got my PC - The hard drive (put in 250gb as shown above) + 512mb memory + USB2.0 card with 4 slots + Ethernet card and the Nvidea 32mb card so now im out of PCI slots on my motherboard i cant upgrade anything really.

Ok to the new system im looking at after spending a few hours on Ebuyer.com and Amazon.co.uk last night.

Processor - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=91327
Processor - 1 x AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ / 2.2 GHz Dual-Core - Socket 939 - L2 2 MB - Box
EBuyer Price: £317.75

Motherboard - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...681149-2459833
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe - Mainboard - ATX - nForce4 SLI - Socket 939 - SATA (RAID), Serial ATA-300 - 2 x Gigabit Ethernet - FireWire - 8-channel audio
Amazon Price: £103.12

Case - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=101935
Thermaltake VA3000SWA Tsunami Silver Aluminium Mid-Tower Case With Side Window - No PSU

Hard Drive - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=103062
Maxtor 7V300F0 300GB SATA300 7200rpm 16mb Cache - OEM
EBuyer Price: £82.28
EBuyer Price: £73.14

Memory - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=78548
Viking 512mb DDR PC3200 400MHz 184pin Memory Module
EBuyer Price: £29.49 x 2 = £58.98

Fan - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...681149-2459833
Antec Smart Cool 120mm Fans
Amazon Price: £9.44 x 3 = £28.32

PSU - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=89518
Xpro 460w Quiet PSU
EBuyer Price: £29.99

Monitor - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=98788
Acer AL1916WS 19" LCD Widescreen
EBuyer Price: £173.00

Total = £866.58 (Price Inc all Del which is Free and VAT)

This seems like a good system to put together but i just got a few queries right now.

1. Does that case support the motherboard i chose ? (If not is there any nice looking cases for about £60ish or below that will be compatible?)

2. How many fans do i actually need ? (I put down 3 above but im not actually sure)

3. Will the above PSU work ? Im not actually sure what kind of PSU i need but i want it to be quite and under £30 if possible, also that don't push the electric bill up) I was told the PSU i chose above is crappy lol and i need a more reliable one.

4. Can i get the overall cost down ? Or find the parts cheaper else where but from a trustable source? Cause i want to get the overall cost down to about £800 or Below

thats all If someone can help me out i'll be greatful thanks.

TheChef · 04-22-2006, 07:52 PM

First and foremost, you forgot a video card.

1. They're compatible.

2. The case will come with as many fans as you need.

3. The PSU will work. It's not "bad" but there are better ones.

4. If it were me, I'd drop to an X2 3800+ processor (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=94640), drops your price by over 100, allows for a decent video card and better PSU.

Have a look here too, should give you some good ideas:
Computer Specs 101

kiis102 · 04-22-2006, 08:09 PM

Well i really want the 4400+ processor which i had a look on eBay and is £250 and of course i need a video card but i also want a TV card too. Can you suggest a decent PSU preferbly quite.

W00t if the motherboard comes with the fans then i can save £30 straight away.

The main question i had was mainly wheather the motherboard would fit in the case. The case i really want though is the one shown on this listing - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-AMD-ATHLON...QQcmdZViewItem -I know its like £100 but it looks mega cool.

TheChef · 04-22-2006, 08:53 PM

Yes, it would fit in the case. Both the motherboard and case are standard-ATX form factor. Why are you intent on the 4400?

The case comes with fans, not the motherboard.

Have a look at this one. It's a little over your price limit, but it has dual rails and +12v @ 34a combined. Hiper is also fairly reputable.

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uid=149&stid=2

Did you look at the last link I gave you in post #2? That has good ideas for your price range.

kiis102 · 04-22-2006, 09:00 PM

Yup had a look at the 3800+ but thought id get a higher model so i won't need to upgrade the processor for a few years and it will still be able to play future progs.

Does the processor fan & heatsink come with any of the listed items above?

My friend suggested this PSU to me - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=90616 bit pricy but did say it would be worth the cost if i upgrade or add things into the system in the future.

Bobo · 04-22-2006, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiis102

Yup had a look at the 3800+ but thought id get a higher model so i won't need to upgrade the processor for a few years and it will still be able to play future progs.

You really aren't going to see much of a difference in the processors. In a few years they probably won't even be selling dual core processors for skt 939, because AM2 is due to come out soon. You will not see very much of a performance loss at all, just less bragging rights.

mrjack · 04-22-2006, 11:20 PM

And after a couple of years you could just overclock the CPU.

kiis102 · 04-23-2006, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo

You really aren't going to see much of a difference in the processors. In a few years they probably won't even be selling dual core processors for skt 939, because AM2 is due to come out soon. You will not see very much of a performance loss at all, just less bragging rights.

Just had a look on Google for AMD AM2 and the info dont seem much different from SKT939 cept it supports DDR2 Memory. I may actually wait for a AM2 motherboard though to make sure i get the most up to date motherboard and processor. I think the 4400+ is only $10 - $15 more for the AM2 version so its all good

The new AM2 motherboard from MSI sure does look good - http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/227/k9n026dm.jpg no info on price yet :|

Bobo · 04-23-2006, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiis102

Just had a look on Google for AMD AM2 and the info dont seem much different from SKT939 cept it supports DDR2 Memory.

Umm....maybe the small fact that AM2 isn't socket 939? It is a 940-pin socket.

Quote:

The new AM2 motherboard from MSI sure does look good - http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/227/k9n026dm.jpg no info on price yet :|

Well that board is going to be expensive, it is SLI

kiis102 · 04-23-2006, 02:14 AM

May stick with my original board then lol all i want is a Mobo with 4-8 USB2.0 ports + 2/3 PCI-E slots + 3 or 4 PCI slots lol

04-22-2006, 05:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
kiis102 Bronze Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 62	Thinking of replacing my aging 1.2ghz AMD Duron PC need advice though Hey guys Im from UK, i have a AMD Duron processor PC right now which i brought about 6/7years back and is starting to get past its time and i feel a upgrade coming on with a budget of around £800 which has to include a monitor. My Current PC spec is as follows: AMD Duron 1200mhz (1.2ghz) Processor 632mb SDRAM (1x512 + 1x128) Nvidea TNT2 Riva Model64 Pro 32mb Graphics card 290gb Hard Drive (1x250gb + 1x40gb) Via AC'97 sound card Ive upgraded since i got my PC - The hard drive (put in 250gb as shown above) + 512mb memory + USB2.0 card with 4 slots + Ethernet card and the Nvidea 32mb card so now im out of PCI slots on my motherboard i cant upgrade anything really. Ok to the new system im looking at after spending a few hours on Ebuyer.com and Amazon.co.uk last night. Processor - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=91327 Processor - 1 x AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ / 2.2 GHz Dual-Core - Socket 939 - L2 2 MB - Box EBuyer Price: £317.75 Motherboard - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...681149-2459833 ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe - Mainboard - ATX - nForce4 SLI - Socket 939 - SATA (RAID), Serial ATA-300 - 2 x Gigabit Ethernet - FireWire - 8-channel audio Amazon Price: £103.12 Case - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=101935 Thermaltake VA3000SWA Tsunami Silver Aluminium Mid-Tower Case With Side Window - No PSU Hard Drive - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=103062 Maxtor 7V300F0 300GB SATA300 7200rpm 16mb Cache - OEM EBuyer Price: £82.28 EBuyer Price: £73.14 Memory - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=78548 Viking 512mb DDR PC3200 400MHz 184pin Memory Module EBuyer Price: £29.49 x 2 = £58.98 Fan - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...681149-2459833 Antec Smart Cool 120mm Fans Amazon Price: £9.44 x 3 = £28.32 PSU - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=89518 Xpro 460w Quiet PSU EBuyer Price: £29.99 Monitor - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=98788 Acer AL1916WS 19" LCD Widescreen EBuyer Price: £173.00 Total = £866.58 (Price Inc all Del which is Free and VAT) This seems like a good system to put together but i just got a few queries right now. 1. Does that case support the motherboard i chose ? (If not is there any nice looking cases for about £60ish or below that will be compatible?) 2. How many fans do i actually need ? (I put down 3 above but im not actually sure) 3. Will the above PSU work ? Im not actually sure what kind of PSU i need but i want it to be quite and under £30 if possible, also that don't push the electric bill up) I was told the PSU i chose above is crappy lol and i need a more reliable one. 4. Can i get the overall cost down ? Or find the parts cheaper else where but from a trustable source? Cause i want to get the overall cost down to about £800 or Below thats all If someone can help me out i'll be greatful thanks.

04-22-2006, 07:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
TheChef Diamond Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Age: 17 Posts: 1,383	First and foremost, you forgot a video card. 1. They're compatible. 2. The case will come with as many fans as you need. 3. The PSU will work. It's not "bad" but there are better ones. 4. If it were me, I'd drop to an X2 3800+ processor (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=94640), drops your price by over 100, allows for a decent video card and better PSU. Have a look here too, should give you some good ideas: Computer Specs 101 __________________ Athlon 64 3000+ Venice -- MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Asus nVidia GeForce 6600 -- Corsair ValueSelect 1024mb Seagate 120GB Barracuda -- Xoxide X-Clear Case FOR SALE http://www.computerforum.com/showthread.php?t=47630 http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mzvideos

04-22-2006, 08:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
TheChef Diamond Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Age: 17 Posts: 1,383	Yes, it would fit in the case. Both the motherboard and case are standard-ATX form factor. Why are you intent on the 4400? The case comes with fans, not the motherboard. Have a look at this one. It's a little over your price limit, but it has dual rails and +12v @ 34a combined. Hiper is also fairly reputable. http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uid=149&stid=2 Did you look at the last link I gave you in post #2? That has good ideas for your price range. __________________ Athlon 64 3000+ Venice -- MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Asus nVidia GeForce 6600 -- Corsair ValueSelect 1024mb Seagate 120GB Barracuda -- Xoxide X-Clear Case FOR SALE http://www.computerforum.com/showthread.php?t=47630 http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mzvideos

04-22-2006, 11:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
mrjack VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Age: 17 Posts: 2,325	And after a couple of years you could just overclock the CPU. __________________ Main rig: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3GHz \| MSI P7N Zilent 2x2048Mb OCZ Titanium 800MHz DDR2 Samsung Spinpoint T166 320Gb SATAII Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250Gb SATAII Western Digital Caviar SE 160Gb SATAII MSI NX8800GT OC 512Mb @ 660MHz/950MHz Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio \| Antec Truepower Trio 550W

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04-22-2006, 08:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
kiis102 Bronze Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 62	Well i really want the 4400+ processor which i had a look on eBay and is £250 and of course i need a video card but i also want a TV card too. Can you suggest a decent PSU preferbly quite. W00t if the motherboard comes with the fans then i can save £30 straight away. The main question i had was mainly wheather the motherboard would fit in the case. The case i really want though is the one shown on this listing - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-AMD-ATHLON...QQcmdZViewItem -I know its like £100 but it looks mega cool.

04-22-2006, 09:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
kiis102 Bronze Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 62	Yup had a look at the 3800+ but thought id get a higher model so i won't need to upgrade the processor for a few years and it will still be able to play future progs. Does the processor fan & heatsink come with any of the listed items above? My friend suggested this PSU to me - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=90616 bit pricy but did say it would be worth the cost if i upgrade or add things into the system in the future.

04-23-2006, 02:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
kiis102 Bronze Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 62	May stick with my original board then lol all i want is a Mobo with 4-8 USB2.0 ports + 2/3 PCI-E slots + 3 or 4 PCI slots lol