Nvidia or ATI

**mep916** · 03-19-2008, 05:16 AM

Sorry guys.

elitehacker · 03-19-2008, 05:27 AM

I would really have to check out the HD3850 or HD3870 out for myself. Although the reviews I have been reading are not convincing,
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703&p=8
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...conclusion.php
I quote in the later review, "in gaming the GT is the better performer every time.", so yeah. I doubt AMD/ATI can compete effectively with Nvidia anyway, the market share that Nvidia and Intel has in the graphics and CPU market respectively makes it extremely hard for AMD/ATi to match them. Nvidia is making heaps in profits. The fact that the 8800GTX was the fastest card for more than a year shows the lack of competition from ATi.

ThatGuy16 · 03-19-2008, 07:06 AM

After using both the 8800GT and the 3870, i wouldn't say those benchmarks are reliable.

The 3870 and GT are very close in performance single vs single as well. You make it sound like they are 1 billion FPS behind and are $5 hunks of junk

Lack of competition? Have you seen what these 3870's and 3870X2s have been doing, yeah... crunching 3Dmark records. And nvidia new 9 series isn't looking promising, as its still using the G92 core. At the $600 price tag, i hope they pray that the nvidia fanboys will break their wallets for their "new" technology. At least ATI can construct two GPU's on a single PCB.

Market share, what the hell does that have to do with their quality and performance of products? Last time i checked, this isn't AMD cpu's vs Intel cpu's. By the way, if those "reviews" said the sky was purple, would you believe it? right... you would have to go and see for yourself.

Like i said before, this thread is made for people to base their choices and opinions, not for your to troll everyone to selects ATI.

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Sorry guys.

elitehacker · 03-19-2008, 11:56 AM

Regarding two GPUs on the same PCB, Nvidia did that with the 7900X2 and the 9600GT does not have a $600 price tag. The only series 9 card is a mid range one, which should be between the 8600GT and the 8800GT in terms of performance so its not going to take the speed crown. ATI is not $5 hunks of junk, all I'm saying is that Nvidia is more competitive in terms of performance. Also, market share does has something to do with their quality and performance of their products, if there is no money coming in, how can they innovate and develope new technologies?
I"m merely expressing my point of view, and I have supported my view with evidence and reviews. Obviously you can't trust everything single word of the reviews, but they seems to be done it a fair manner, that's why I have read multiple reviews and not just one.
When I get a graphics card I don't just blindly shell out extra for Nvidia, I would rather pay less and get more, I"m sure that's what every consumer's end goal is. I spend 3 weeks researching the cards before I bought my 512MB 8800GTS in Jan 2008.

I'm actually fustrated at how lacking ATi is, I really want them to do better. For all those who have done economics will know that competition fosters innovation and also price wars which both benefit the consumer. I really don't want Nvidia to become a monopoly because that will mean higher prices and slower developement. I don't have a vested interest in Nvidia ( I wish I do seeing how well they are doing at the moment

), that's why I"m very disappointed with AMD/ATi because they seem to have abandoned the high end of the market and just focus on mainstream budget end.

**mep916** · 03-19-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elitehacker

Regarding two GPUs on the same PCB, Nvidia did that with the 7900X2 and the 9600GT does not have a $600 price tag. The only series 9 card is a mid range one,

He's referring to the 9800 GX2. It is $600 and it's predecessor was called the 7950 GX2.

maroon1 · 03-19-2008, 02:40 PM

Who cares if 9800GX2 has 2 PCB or not ? Why would a consumer care about that when 9800GX2 performs better ?

9800GX2 performs much better than HD3870 X2, just check the latest benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3266&p=4
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...raphics_card/9
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/articl...2&pagenumber=5

ThatGuy16 · 03-19-2008, 07:58 PM

I didn't say it didn't perform better, i think $400 for the X2 is a far better deal than $600 on that GX2. I'm still waiting on some personal benchmarks, to see exactly if that extra $200 is worth it. Also about it being on separate PCB's, have you ever thought about custom or after market cooling solutions on a dual PCB card, its possible, but would be far more difficult.

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I'm actually fustrated at how lacking ATi is, I really want them to do better. For all those who have done economics will know that competition fosters innovation and also price wars which both benefit the consumer. I really don't want Nvidia to become a monopoly because that will mean higher prices and slower developement. I don't have a vested interest in Nvidia ( I wish I do seeing how well they are doing at the moment ), that's why I"m very disappointed with AMD/ATi because they seem to have abandoned the high end of the market and just focus on mainstream budget end.

I'm extremely impressed with ATI lately. I had planned on getting a 8800GT myself before the 3870's caught my eye, but i also wanted a dual card setup and didn't want to be bothered with another crappy nvidia chipset..

CMF175 · 03-19-2008, 08:11 PM

i just had my new pc option was a nvida 8500gt 512mb very good card i think but im not a pc gamer though

elitehacker · 03-20-2008, 01:14 AM

I have to admit ATi has lifted their game lately since the X1K but they still have a long way to go, they are fighting an uphill battle. I'm considering a dual card setup and if I do decide to get one then it will DEFINITELY be Crossfire, SLi is so disappointing.

The_Beast · 03-20-2008, 01:21 AM

I'm not an ATI guy but I just bought a 2600XT

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elitehacker Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 19 Posts: 2,399	Regarding two GPUs on the same PCB, Nvidia did that with the 7900X2 and the 9600GT does not have a $600 price tag. The only series 9 card is a mid range one, which should be between the 8600GT and the 8800GT in terms of performance so its not going to take the speed crown. ATI is not $5 hunks of junk, all I'm saying is that Nvidia is more competitive in terms of performance. Also, market share does has something to do with their quality and performance of their products, if there is no money coming in, how can they innovate and develope new technologies? I"m merely expressing my point of view, and I have supported my view with evidence and reviews. Obviously you can't trust everything single word of the reviews, but they seems to be done it a fair manner, that's why I have read multiple reviews and not just one. When I get a graphics card I don't just blindly shell out extra for Nvidia, I would rather pay less and get more, I"m sure that's what every consumer's end goal is. I spend 3 weeks researching the cards before I bought my 512MB 8800GTS in Jan 2008. I'm actually fustrated at how lacking ATi is, I really want them to do better. For all those who have done economics will know that competition fosters innovation and also price wars which both benefit the consumer. I really don't want Nvidia to become a monopoly because that will mean higher prices and slower developement. I don't have a vested interest in Nvidia ( I wish I do seeing how well they are doing at the moment ), that's why I"m very disappointed with AMD/ATi because they seem to have abandoned the high end of the market and just focus on mainstream budget end. Last edited by elitehacker; 03-19-2008 at 12:04 PM.

03-19-2008, 02:40 PM	#776 (permalink)
maroon1 Diamond Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Somewhere in Hell !!! Posts: 2,538	Who cares if 9800GX2 has 2 PCB or not ? Why would a consumer care about that when 9800GX2 performs better ? 9800GX2 performs much better than HD3870 X2, just check the latest benchmarks http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3266&p=4 http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...raphics_card/9 http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/articl...2&pagenumber=5 __________________ Free softwares: Avast! antivirus - FireFox - FDM - OpenOffice - CCleaner Last edited by maroon1; 03-19-2008 at 02:51 PM.

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03-19-2008, 05:27 AM	#772 (permalink)
elitehacker Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 19 Posts: 2,399	I would really have to check out the HD3850 or HD3870 out for myself. Although the reviews I have been reading are not convincing, http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703&p=8 http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...conclusion.php I quote in the later review, "in gaming the GT is the better performer every time.", so yeah. I doubt AMD/ATI can compete effectively with Nvidia anyway, the market share that Nvidia and Intel has in the graphics and CPU market respectively makes it extremely hard for AMD/ATi to match them. Nvidia is making heaps in profits. The fact that the 8800GTX was the fastest card for more than a year shows the lack of competition from ATi.

03-20-2008, 01:14 AM	#779 (permalink)
elitehacker Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 19 Posts: 2,399	I have to admit ATi has lifted their game lately since the X1K but they still have a long way to go, they are fighting an uphill battle. I'm considering a dual card setup and if I do decide to get one then it will DEFINITELY be Crossfire, SLi is so disappointing.

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