New computer

mrjack · 07-20-2006, 05:34 PM

Due to circumstances, being that my computer has probably decided the DIMM slots where unnecessary or mutinous and had to go

. I'm going to test my pc with new memory sticks and if it doesn't work I'm gonna get a temporary rig. The pc would consist of the following parts:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+
1Gb DDR400 CL3 KIT (lifetime warranty)
MSI K8N Neo2
SATA HDD, not sure which one yet.

The MSI K8N Neo2 is there because of the AGP Club3D Radeon X800RX I still have. And I'm gonna use the Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W I already have.

Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible? Cause I don't know too much about SATA yet, but I remember reading something about them being backwards compatible with the SATA/150 ports.

It's gonna cost about 300€, due to the high prices in Finland, but what do you guys think about it? And what HDD do you recommend for about 50-60€? Only from these companies, thank you, Multitronic and Digicomp. The links should lead to the English sites.

PC eye · 07-21-2006, 12:07 AM

Currently sitting on top of an AMD64 3500+ here is a Zalman cooler seeing a max temp of 43C when loaded with the model seen at ZALMAN CNPS9500 LED 92mm 2 Ball Blue LED Light Cooling Fan with Heatsink - Retail at Newegg.com
The MSI line has some good models along with Asus. I am presently caught on deciding with another Asus or MSI board for a new build. What brand memory are you planning to run? I've had some good results just running 2gb of Kingston Value Ram here for loads like gaming, video captures/edits, and full load of media playback. As far as the difference between SATA and SATA II,

"Sunday, June 26, 2005
SATA II does not mean 3Gb/s

Fast WD, the first to introduce an 8 MB buffer, has advanced the caching algorithms of this new and improved Caviar family of hard drives, resulting in next-generation high performance performance that beats all competing 8 MB-cache drives. Features: 160 GB, 7,200 RPM, For Desktop Computer, Internal Enclosure, Serial ATA Interface, 3.5" x 1/3H.

Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160 GB Hard Drive

The term SATA II has grown in popularity as the moniker for the SATA 3Gb/s data transfer rate, causing great confusion with customers because, quite simply, it’s a misnomer.

The first step toward a better understanding of SATA is to know that SATA II is not the brand name for SATA’s 3Gb/s data transfer rate, but the name of the organization formed to author the SATA specifications. The group has since changed names, to the Serial ATA International Organization, or SATA-IO.

The 3Gb/s capability is just one of many defined by the former SATA II committee, but because it is among the most prominent features, 3Gb/s has become synonymous with SATA II. Hence, the source of the confusion." blog.ActiveServers - SATA II does not mean 3Gb/s

StrangleHold · 07-21-2006, 12:45 AM

Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible?

If your saying SATA 3gb. then yes it is!

PC eye · 07-21-2006, 01:50 AM

I'm still waiting to see if a friend finally gets a WD 200gb SATA drive partitioned and formatted on a board with an ide controller. When first tried there was no success in using the drive there as a stand alone primary. The SATA II drive being backward compatible is the same general comparison to whether an ATA133 drive is backward capable to an ATA100 or 66 board. Western Digital is certainly a preference for drives here both ide and SATA. Maxtor used to be total %**@ and still has problems at times when the Windows installer fails to detect the drive.

Maxtor has had to come out with some speicific drivers to correct this. Seagate on the other hand doesn't get the complaints it did at one time from certain techs I've known through the years. I hope you don't run into the same problem with that board where you have to grab a psu with a 24/4pin not 20/4pin plug connector. The SLI ready supplies will have the 24pin type. Otherwise you won't get the new board running. For an alternative that will work take a look at the TP II 480w model at Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-480 480W Power Supply - Retail at Newegg.com

mrjack · 07-21-2006, 11:18 AM

Well, I tested the new memory with my old mobo and it seems like the DIMM slots are busted so I will be getting the new computer. Here are the specs of my new computer:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+, around 90-95€ probably
MSI K8N Neo2 FX, about 60€
1Gb Kingston ValueRam DDR400 CL3 Kit
Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160Gb SATA/3Gb 8Mb cache, ca. 60€
LG DVD DL burner
Club3D Radeon X800RX 256Mb GDDR3
Maxtor DiamondMax 9+ 80Gb UltraAta/133
Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W

The good thing about the MSI mobos is the D-Bracket which comes standard with most of 'em, so you have diagnostic LEDs on which you can see what's wrong with the computer if it won't start or work properly.

And about the SATAII thing, usually people immediately understand it's the SATA/3Gb you're referring to when you say SATAII.

Bobo · 07-21-2006, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrangleHold

Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible?

If your saying SATA 3gb. then yes it is!

Are you talking to yourself?

Quote:

And about the SATAII thing, usually people immediately understand it's the SATA/3Gb you're referring to when you say SATAII.

They are the same thing for all intents and purposes

PC eye · 07-21-2006, 07:19 PM

After looking at the specifications on different brands of boards the conclusion of MSI being the brand looked into if not going with another Asus model on a new build. When looking at Abit, DFI, Gigabyte, and several others the thing that keeps standing out is Asus and MSI always seeming to be one step ahead of the other makes. While Asus and MSI were seeing 400mhz fsbs the others were still 333mhz. On newer models Asus and MSI often see 3 instead of 2 pci slots on their PCI-Express model boards. You should see a good board there. I preferred a model with the nForce 4 chipset however.

The 2gb of Kingston Value Ram have worked here quite well. Just be sure the Antec model supply has the 24/4pin connector. When a board quit lately I ran into that with the replacement. The TP II 430w model had 20/4 not 24/4! Had to run out and buy locally there.

mrjack · 07-22-2006, 01:11 PM

I'm still trying to build up the self-confidence to install the CPU and HSF myself, I'm mostly worried about applying the right amount of thermal paste and putting on the HSF. Cause I'm usually a bit "too" careful when it comes to electronics, cause I don't want to break anything.

And I noticed that the MSI K8N Neo2 FX has a FSB of 800 so the HT would be 1600, not 2000 like it usually is nowadays. Will this cause a big hit in performance?

And another concerne is that I'm not sure what stepping the CPU is, E6 or E3. Cause the K8N Neo2 FX only supports the E6 CPU's after a BIOS update, but how am I going to update the BIOS if the mobo doesn't support the CPU and start?

StrangleHold · 07-22-2006, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrjack

Due to circumstances, being that my computer has probably decided the DIMM slots where unnecessary or mutinous and had to go

. I'm going to test my pc with new memory sticks and if it doesn't work I'm gonna get a temporary rig. The pc would consist of the following parts:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+
1Gb DDR400 CL3 KIT (lifetime warranty)
MSI K8N Neo2
SATA HDD, not sure which one yet.

The MSI K8N Neo2 is there because of the AGP Club3D Radeon X800RX I still have. And I'm gonna use the Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W I already have.

Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible? Cause I don't know too much about SATA yet, but I remember reading something about them being backwards compatible with the SATA/150 ports.

It's gonna cost about 300€, due to the high prices in Finland, but what do you guys think about it? And what HDD do you recommend for about 50-60€? Only from these companies, thank you, Multitronic and Digicomp. The links should lead to the English sites.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StrangleHold
Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible?

If your saying SATA 3gb. then yes it is!

Are you talking to yourself?

No did you even read the post!

mrjack · 07-22-2006, 10:15 PM

Your post would make a lot more sence if you would quote properly. Same goes for your previous one, but Bobo's just yanking your chain. I'm sure he understands what you were saying in your previous post.

07-20-2006, 05:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrjack VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Age: 18 Posts: 2,504	New computer Due to circumstances, being that my computer has probably decided the DIMM slots where unnecessary or mutinous and had to go . I'm going to test my pc with new memory sticks and if it doesn't work I'm gonna get a temporary rig. The pc would consist of the following parts: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 1Gb DDR400 CL3 KIT (lifetime warranty) MSI K8N Neo2 SATA HDD, not sure which one yet. The MSI K8N Neo2 is there because of the AGP Club3D Radeon X800RX I still have. And I'm gonna use the Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W I already have. Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible? Cause I don't know too much about SATA yet, but I remember reading something about them being backwards compatible with the SATA/150 ports. It's gonna cost about 300€, due to the high prices in Finland, but what do you guys think about it? And what HDD do you recommend for about 50-60€? Only from these companies, thank you, Multitronic and Digicomp. The links should lead to the English sites. __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.45GHz \| MSI P7N Zilent 2x2048Mb OCZ Titanium 800MHz DDR2 Western Digital Caviar 160Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 320Gb SATAII Western Digital Caviar 500Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 750Gb SATAII MSI NX8800GT OC 512Mb Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio Antec Truepower Trio 550W Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit Last edited by mrjack; 07-20-2006 at 05:45 PM.

07-21-2006, 12:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 9,718	Anyway, I was wondering are the SATAII backwards compatible? If your saying SATA 3gb. then yes it is! __________________ NZXT Apollo S75QB 750W Phenom II (X4) 720BE 3.5ghz. Gigabyte GA MA790X UD4P G Skill DDR2 1066 4gb. PNY 8800GT Seagate 7200.12 500gb. It's so easy to be wicked without knowing it, isn't it?

07-21-2006, 11:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
mrjack VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Age: 18 Posts: 2,504	Well, I tested the new memory with my old mobo and it seems like the DIMM slots are busted so I will be getting the new computer. Here are the specs of my new computer: AMD Athlon 64 3500+, around 90-95€ probably MSI K8N Neo2 FX, about 60€ 1Gb Kingston ValueRam DDR400 CL3 Kit Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160Gb SATA/3Gb 8Mb cache, ca. 60€ LG DVD DL burner Club3D Radeon X800RX 256Mb GDDR3 Maxtor DiamondMax 9+ 80Gb UltraAta/133 Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W The good thing about the MSI mobos is the D-Bracket which comes standard with most of 'em, so you have diagnostic LEDs on which you can see what's wrong with the computer if it won't start or work properly. And about the SATAII thing, usually people immediately understand it's the SATA/3Gb you're referring to when you say SATAII. __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.45GHz \| MSI P7N Zilent 2x2048Mb OCZ Titanium 800MHz DDR2 Western Digital Caviar 160Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 320Gb SATAII Western Digital Caviar 500Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 750Gb SATAII MSI NX8800GT OC 512Mb Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio Antec Truepower Trio 550W Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit Last edited by mrjack; 07-21-2006 at 11:24 AM.

07-22-2006, 01:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
mrjack VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Age: 18 Posts: 2,504	I'm still trying to build up the self-confidence to install the CPU and HSF myself, I'm mostly worried about applying the right amount of thermal paste and putting on the HSF. Cause I'm usually a bit "too" careful when it comes to electronics, cause I don't want to break anything. And I noticed that the MSI K8N Neo2 FX has a FSB of 800 so the HT would be 1600, not 2000 like it usually is nowadays. Will this cause a big hit in performance? And another concerne is that I'm not sure what stepping the CPU is, E6 or E3. Cause the K8N Neo2 FX only supports the E6 CPU's after a BIOS update, but how am I going to update the BIOS if the mobo doesn't support the CPU and start? __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.45GHz \| MSI P7N Zilent 2x2048Mb OCZ Titanium 800MHz DDR2 Western Digital Caviar 160Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 320Gb SATAII Western Digital Caviar 500Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 750Gb SATAII MSI NX8800GT OC 512Mb Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio Antec Truepower Trio 550W Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit Last edited by mrjack; 07-22-2006 at 01:13 PM.

07-22-2006, 10:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
mrjack VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Age: 18 Posts: 2,504	Your post would make a lot more sence if you would quote properly. Same goes for your previous one, but Bobo's just yanking your chain. I'm sure he understands what you were saying in your previous post. __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.45GHz \| MSI P7N Zilent 2x2048Mb OCZ Titanium 800MHz DDR2 Western Digital Caviar 160Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 320Gb SATAII Western Digital Caviar 500Gb SATAII Samsung Spinpoint F1 750Gb SATAII MSI NX8800GT OC 512Mb Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio Antec Truepower Trio 550W Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit

07-21-2006, 12:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
PC eye banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 21,093	Currently sitting on top of an AMD64 3500+ here is a Zalman cooler seeing a max temp of 43C when loaded with the model seen at ZALMAN CNPS9500 LED 92mm 2 Ball Blue LED Light Cooling Fan with Heatsink - Retail at Newegg.com The MSI line has some good models along with Asus. I am presently caught on deciding with another Asus or MSI board for a new build. What brand memory are you planning to run? I've had some good results just running 2gb of Kingston Value Ram here for loads like gaming, video captures/edits, and full load of media playback. As far as the difference between SATA and SATA II, "Sunday, June 26, 2005 SATA II does not mean 3Gb/s Fast WD, the first to introduce an 8 MB buffer, has advanced the caching algorithms of this new and improved Caviar family of hard drives, resulting in next-generation high performance performance that beats all competing 8 MB-cache drives. Features: 160 GB, 7,200 RPM, For Desktop Computer, Internal Enclosure, Serial ATA Interface, 3.5" x 1/3H. Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160 GB Hard Drive The term SATA II has grown in popularity as the moniker for the SATA 3Gb/s data transfer rate, causing great confusion with customers because, quite simply, it’s a misnomer. The first step toward a better understanding of SATA is to know that SATA II is not the brand name for SATA’s 3Gb/s data transfer rate, but the name of the organization formed to author the SATA specifications. The group has since changed names, to the Serial ATA International Organization, or SATA-IO. The 3Gb/s capability is just one of many defined by the former SATA II committee, but because it is among the most prominent features, 3Gb/s has become synonymous with SATA II. Hence, the source of the confusion." blog.ActiveServers - SATA II does not mean 3Gb/s

07-21-2006, 01:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
PC eye banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 21,093	I'm still waiting to see if a friend finally gets a WD 200gb SATA drive partitioned and formatted on a board with an ide controller. When first tried there was no success in using the drive there as a stand alone primary. The SATA II drive being backward compatible is the same general comparison to whether an ATA133 drive is backward capable to an ATA100 or 66 board. Western Digital is certainly a preference for drives here both ide and SATA. Maxtor used to be total %**@ and still has problems at times when the Windows installer fails to detect the drive. Maxtor has had to come out with some speicific drivers to correct this. Seagate on the other hand doesn't get the complaints it did at one time from certain techs I've known through the years. I hope you don't run into the same problem with that board where you have to grab a psu with a 24/4pin not 20/4pin plug connector. The SLI ready supplies will have the 24pin type. Otherwise you won't get the new board running. For an alternative that will work take a look at the TP II 480w model at Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-480 480W Power Supply - Retail at Newegg.com

07-21-2006, 07:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
PC eye banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 21,093	After looking at the specifications on different brands of boards the conclusion of MSI being the brand looked into if not going with another Asus model on a new build. When looking at Abit, DFI, Gigabyte, and several others the thing that keeps standing out is Asus and MSI always seeming to be one step ahead of the other makes. While Asus and MSI were seeing 400mhz fsbs the others were still 333mhz. On newer models Asus and MSI often see 3 instead of 2 pci slots on their PCI-Express model boards. You should see a good board there. I preferred a model with the nForce 4 chipset however. The 2gb of Kingston Value Ram have worked here quite well. Just be sure the Antec model supply has the 24/4pin connector. When a board quit lately I ran into that with the replacement. The TP II 430w model had 20/4 not 24/4! Had to run out and buy locally there.

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