Bobo

Please read this conversation (or at least skim it to get the idea, because it is long) and make your opinion on who is right

At the same time, have a good laugh.

btw Bobo6374 is me, monkeysims123 is monkeysims, Encore4More is himself, TOOTheOtherOne is The_Other_One, and j O 19 8 78 0 is JP198780


Bobo6374(10:00:17 PM): who is here?
monkeysims123(10:00:22 PM): me and encore
Bobo6374(10:00:25 PM): ahhh....\
Bobo6374(10:00:30 PM): well i don't have much time
Encore4More(10:00:35 PM): lol
monkeysims123(10:00:35 PM): bobo, tell encore that 4gb is an overkill
Encore4More(10:00:39 PM): lol
Encore4More(10:00:42 PM): 4gb is overkill
Encore4More(10:00:44 PM): right now
Bobo6374(10:00:46 PM): 4gb is total overkill
Encore4More(10:00:46 PM): dude
monkeysims123(10:00:52 PM): and will be when vista comes
Bobo6374(10:00:56 PM): and by the time it will be needed, the rest of the computer will be crap
Encore4More(10:00:58 PM): OMG
monkeysims123(10:01:17 PM): vista is going to be reliant on more than ram
Encore4More(10:01:18 PM): listen people freaked out when they heard of 2GB harddrives
Encore4More(10:01:31 PM): only 8 years ago
Encore4More(10:01:40 PM): in 8 years, we got 250 times as good
monkeysims123(10:01:47 PM): what the hell do harddrives have to do with ram?
Encore4More(10:01:54 PM): fine
Bobo6374(10:01:58 PM): yeah and did the motherboards, ram, and video cards from 8 years ago survive until now>?
Bobo6374(10:02:01 PM): no, i didn't think so
Encore4More(10:02:06 PM): no
Encore4More(10:02:18 PM): but my mobo came stocked with 32MB ram
Encore4More(10:02:23 PM): and is upgradable to 512
Encore4More(10:02:29 PM): a ram amount still used today
Encore4More(10:02:36 PM): who is the new dude?
Bobo6374(10:03:08 PM): in 3 years, when 4gb will be standard, the ram will be running atlike 800mhz, at which point you would have to upgrade the rest of thestuff to have current ram
Bobo6374(10:03:19 PM): or you could just get 4gb in that time, which the motherboard still supports
Encore4More(10:03:32 PM): in 3 years the guy is gona build a new Puter
Encore4More(10:03:37 PM): ok, my P3 system
Encore4More(10:03:40 PM): i still use
Encore4More(10:03:42 PM): to this day
Encore4More(10:03:52 PM): mainly because i don't have the currency to buy a new system
Encore4More(10:04:00 PM): but it was manufatured in 2000
Encore4More(10:04:05 PM): actually 1999 i think
Encore4More(10:04:20 PM): it cam stock with 32MB of ram
Bobo6374(10:04:22 PM): if the guy is going to biuld a new computer in 3 years, then whatis the point in making it easier to upgrade to something that he willnever need?
Encore4More(10:04:37 PM): he would upgrade late to mid next year
Encore4More(10:04:39 PM): hold on
Encore4More(10:04:41 PM): im not done
Bobo6374(10:04:43 PM): exactly, to 2gb
Encore4More(10:05:00 PM): if u read
Bobo6374(10:05:06 PM): i don't read
monkeysims123(10:05:11 PM): me niether
monkeysims123(10:05:13 PM): neither
Bobo6374(10:05:18 PM): :-D
Encore4More(10:05:22 PM): u would see that mid next year he upgrades to 4gb
Encore4More(10:05:28 PM): but that is only if u read
Bobo6374(10:05:31 PM): why would he?
monkeysims123(10:05:39 PM): he wont need it
Encore4More(10:05:41 PM): BECAUSE did u look at the chart
Encore4More(10:05:44 PM): and see how fast
Encore4More(10:05:47 PM): ram progresses
monkeysims123(10:05:50 PM): WHAT CHART!!!!!!1
Bobo6374(10:05:53 PM): i don't give a shit about the chart
Encore4More(10:05:54 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:05:57 PM): even tho there isn't one
Encore4More(10:06:00 PM): u didn't read
Encore4More(10:06:08 PM): did u look at my articles?
Encore4More(10:06:13 PM): i researched?
Encore4More(10:06:15 PM): did u?
Encore4More(10:06:24 PM): did u research?
monkeysims123(10:06:25 PM): no we dont read your articles cause they're wrong most of the time
Bobo6374(10:06:27 PM): next year, having 4gb isn't going to do diddlycrap if he still has a 7900gt and that processor
monkeysims123(10:06:40 PM): thank you
Bobo6374(10:06:45 PM): we aren't talking about articles and their relevance, we are talking about the balancedness of the system
Encore4More(10:06:49 PM): he would upgrade...
Encore4More(10:06:55 PM): yes balanced
Encore4More(10:07:01 PM): i am using my system as an anology
monkeysims123(10:07:05 PM): he wont need to upgrade!
Bobo6374(10:07:07 PM): no, having 4gb with those parts isn't balanced
Bobo6374(10:07:20 PM): we should have praetor in this
monkeysims123(10:07:24 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:07:28 PM): just to see what he would say
Encore4More(10:07:28 PM): let me use my system, because it is a relic of the past...
Encore4More(10:07:32 PM): n0ow let met tlk
monkeysims123(10:07:34 PM): i can get the_other_one
Bobo6374(10:07:41 PM): exactly why you shouldn't be using it, because it is a relic of the past
Encore4More(10:07:47 PM): i will get the other 1
Encore4More(10:08:18 PM): hey
Encore4More(10:08:19 PM): wait
Encore4More(10:08:22 PM): let me ask him first
Encore4More(10:08:54 PM): do you think 4GB ram will be used at then end of next year, in gaming systems with vista? judging by how RAM has progressed?
Bobo6374(10:08:56 PM): lol...fighting over who gets him
Bobo6374(10:09:08 PM): nonono that isn't the question
Encore4More(10:09:13 PM): yes
Encore4More(10:09:14 PM): it is
Encore4More(10:09:17 PM): the quiestion
Bobo6374(10:09:26 PM): it could be used, of course, but the thing is that it won't be good in that system
Encore4More(10:09:33 PM): o it wont be
monkeysims123(10:09:42 PM): not with that cpu and video card
Encore4More(10:09:45 PM): that is why he has an AM2 mobo that is xtremely upgradable
monkeysims123(10:10:03 PM): just about every mobo will support 4gb
monkeysims123(10:10:13 PM): does*
Encore4More(10:10:14 PM): that isn't why
Encore4More(10:10:25 PM): it is upgradable because it supports AM3
TOOTheOtherOne(10:10:26 PM): I ran vista on a system with 1G without any problems, and my current system has never used over 1G of memory. So no, I see no reason they'll need 4G
Encore4More(10:10:37 PM): i ran XP
Encore4More(10:10:40 PM): with 256mb
Encore4More(10:10:42 PM): no problem
monkeysims123(10:10:43 PM): thank you T_O_o'
Encore4More(10:10:48 PM): how come we have 2gb?
TOOTheOtherOne(10:10:50 PM): I ran XP with 64M
Encore4More(10:10:51 PM): now
Bobo6374(10:10:54 PM): he should start now with 2x512, to have dual channel, then laterhe could add another 1gb or another 2gb and still be in dual channel
monkeysims123(10:11:01 PM): right
monkeysims123(10:11:07 PM): no 1gb stick encore
monkeysims123(10:11:14 PM): 2*512
Encore4More(10:11:17 PM): monkeysims123: bobo, tell encore that 4gb is an overkill
Encore4More(10:11:18 PM): Encore4More:do you think 4GB ram will be used at then end of next year, in gaming systems with vista? judging by how RAM has progressed?
Bobo6374(10:11:20 PM): to have a total of either 2gb or 3gb, if he really needs that much in the future
Encore4More(10:11:20 PM): huh?
Bobo6374(10:11:37 PM): i was responding to my other post
Bobo6374(10:11:56 PM): he should start now with 2x512, to have dual channel, then laterhecould add another 1gb or another 2gb and still be in dual channelto have a total of either 2gb or 3gb, if he really needs that much in the futu
Bobo6374(10:12:04 PM): that is what i was trying to say but you type too fast
Encore4More(10:12:06 PM): Encore4More:do you think 4GB ram will be used at then end of next year, in gaming systems with vista? judging by how RAM has progressed?
Bobo6374(10:12:12 PM): no
monkeysims123(10:12:14 PM): NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Encore4More(10:12:16 PM): monkeysims123: bobo, tell encore that 4gb is an overkill
Encore4More(10:12:17 PM): Bobo6374: nonono that isn't the question
Encore4More(10:12:28 PM): wait wait
Bobo6374(10:12:33 PM): it is the question now, but not the original question
Encore4More(10:12:58 PM): wait what is the question now and what is the original question?
Bobo6374(10:13:11 PM): i don't even know, you started the whole thing
monkeysims123(10:13:31 PM): you should know your own question
Encore4More(10:13:53 PM): actually monkeysims did...
Encore4More(10:13:53 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:13:54 PM): we first started on whether he should get 2x512 or 1x1gb
Bobo6374(10:14:03 PM): then we went to the balancedness of the system
Encore4More(10:14:08 PM): yes
Bobo6374(10:14:12 PM): and now whether or not 4gb will be used by next year
Encore4More(10:14:17 PM): yes
Bobo6374(10:14:27 PM): and we haven't answered any of them
monkeysims123(10:14:29 PM): but it wont nesicarlly be neded
monkeysims123(10:14:31 PM): needed
TOOTheOtherOne(10:14:37 PM): People, 2G isn't even needed now, why on earth would 4G be required?
Bobo6374(10:14:41 PM): exactly
monkeysims123(10:14:45 PM): correct
Encore4More(10:14:46 PM): 2g?
Encore4More(10:14:47 PM): yes
monkeysims123(10:14:52 PM): 512mb is good enough
Encore4More(10:14:53 PM): 1g lags in BF2
Encore4More(10:15:01 PM): WE ARE TALIIING ABOUT A GAMING SYSTEM
Encore4More(10:15:02 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:15:02 PM): with what system?
Bobo6374(10:15:12 PM): what system lags in bf2 with 1gb?
TOOTheOtherOne(10:15:19 PM): Agreed... therea re many other factors than just RAM causing lags
monkeysims123(10:15:27 PM): gpu, cpu
Bobo6374(10:15:32 PM): hdd
Bobo6374(10:15:40 PM): (not as big a factor of course)
Encore4More(10:15:40 PM): 3800+ X2 &7600GT
Encore4More(10:15:41 PM): 1gb
Encore4More(10:15:43 PM): dualchannel
Bobo6374(10:16:00 PM): but he will have a 7900, not a 7600
Bobo6374(10:16:06 PM): there is a big difference between the 2
Encore4More(10:16:10 PM): still, new games are comming out
Bobo6374(10:16:31 PM): which is why he would upgrade to 2gb or 3gb later
Bobo6374(10:16:49 PM): but still have a better (dual-channeled) and balanced system now,
Bobo6374(10:17:02 PM): byebye the other one
Encore4More(10:17:28 PM): i made a chart on how much RAM was used over the last 5 years, how much ram system has... if u logically continue you will see that 4GB will next year, be like what 2gb is now...
Encore4More(10:17:30 PM): i.e.
Bobo6374(10:17:44 PM): but nobody needs 2gb right now
monkeysims123(10:17:45 PM): Encore, build your own rig and then talk to me
Encore4More(10:18:10 PM): Bobo6374: but nobody needs 2gb right now
j O 19 8 78 0(10:18:15 PM): i only internet, soo i wont even need 512 RAM, but might upgrade
Bobo6374(10:18:22 PM): well i shouldn't say nobody
Encore4More(10:18:27 PM): peopel with the specs i told u do
Encore4More(10:18:32 PM): if they want to play BF2
Encore4More(10:18:42 PM): people that want ot multi task do
Bobo6374(10:18:47 PM): i have 1gb and i am running 12 windows right now with f@h in the background, i don't even come close to using 1gb
Encore4More(10:19:04 PM): 12 windows?
Bobo6374(10:19:12 PM): yes, 12 windows
Encore4More(10:19:12 PM): that doesn't mean anything
Encore4More(10:19:18 PM): what are the tasks?
monkeysims123(10:19:19 PM): i have 8 running and am only using 300mb of ram
Bobo6374(10:19:19 PM): it means something
Encore4More(10:19:24 PM): ket me say this
Encore4More(10:19:35 PM): would u turn down 2gb because u don't need it?
Encore4More(10:19:40 PM): let*
Encore4More(10:19:50 PM): monkeysims123: i have 8 running and am only using 300mb of ram
Bobo6374(10:19:53 PM): yes, because i wouldn't waste money right now on it
Encore4More(10:19:53 PM): u are lying
Encore4More(10:20:09 PM): i am using exactly 300MB
monkeysims123(10:20:10 PM): nope
Encore4More(10:20:17 PM): and i just have aim and mozilla on
monkeysims123(10:20:18 PM): of your 384mb
Encore4More(10:20:24 PM): yep
Bobo6374(10:20:26 PM): i am using 466mb
monkeysims123(10:20:35 PM): your comp is old though encore
Encore4More(10:20:39 PM): so?
Bobo6374(10:20:42 PM): and uses slow ram
Encore4More(10:20:44 PM): so?
monkeysims123(10:20:51 PM): it will use up more
Bobo6374(10:20:51 PM): remember that not only ram quantity increases, but also speed
j O 19 8 78 0(10:20:58 PM): my computers are old 2
Bobo6374(10:21:02 PM): which is why he would get ddr2-800
monkeysims123(10:21:09 PM): correct
Encore4More(10:21:23 PM): no
Encore4More(10:21:26 PM): my dad has 2gb ram
Bobo6374(10:21:33 PM): so does my dad
Encore4More(10:21:38 PM): wait
Bobo6374(10:21:44 PM): but it is pc133, with a piii processor
Encore4More(10:21:47 PM): why does anyone need more then 1gb?
Encore4More(10:21:59 PM): because some games recomend 1gb?
Bobo6374(10:22:02 PM): my dad runs ansys, which can use up to 128gb or ram
Encore4More(10:22:26 PM): how many ppl on CF have 2gb of ram?
monkeysims123(10:22:27 PM): ansys utilizes whatever ram amount you have doesnt it
Bobo6374(10:22:34 PM): pretty much
Encore4More(10:22:38 PM): yep
monkeysims123(10:22:40 PM): not many have 2gb
Encore4More(10:22:43 PM): no
monkeysims123(10:22:50 PM): most have 1gb
Encore4More(10:22:51 PM): praetor has 2gb
Bobo6374(10:22:55 PM): that's praetor
Encore4More(10:22:56 PM): obviously he sees some bonus to it
Bobo6374(10:23:11 PM): then why don't you ask him what that bonus is?
Bobo6374(10:23:18 PM): also notice the rest of his computer
Encore4More(10:23:19 PM): i really want to
Encore4More(10:23:29 PM): yea he has a nice puter
Bobo6374(10:23:31 PM): it is considerably better than what this person is building, and more suited to have 2gb
Bobo6374(10:23:44 PM): by this person i mean whoever started the $800 computer thread
Encore4More(10:23:55 PM): Bobo6374: it is considerably better than what this person is buildin
Encore4More(10:23:56 PM): no
Encore4More(10:24:01 PM): he has the same graphics card
Encore4More(10:24:11 PM): and socket 939
Encore4More(10:24:19 PM): x2
Encore4More(10:24:21 PM): 4200+
Bobo6374(10:24:24 PM): but doesn't he have a high x2?
Bobo6374(10:24:26 PM): and raid?
Encore4More(10:24:33 PM): that is the harddrives!!!
Encore4More(10:24:40 PM): u said considerally better
Bobo6374(10:24:40 PM): idk...he changes his computer so often, he used to have a 4800

Bobo

Encore4More(10:24:43 PM): it is just a little better
Bobo6374(10:24:48 PM): and the hard drives still affect games
Encore4More(10:24:54 PM): the speed does
Bobo6374(10:24:55 PM): not online games, of course
Encore4More(10:24:59 PM): not the gameplay
Encore4More(10:25:03 PM): just the loading time
Encore4More(10:25:20 PM): hardly does anything to gameplay
monkeysims123(10:25:31 PM): what kind of harddrive you have encore?
Bobo6374(10:26:12 PM): let's get back to the original question
monkeysims123(10:26:15 PM): k
Encore4More(10:26:23 PM): 7200RPM 40GB ATA133
Encore4More(10:26:28 PM): nothing special
Bobo6374(10:26:59 PM): in what way will getting 2x512mb hinder the performance of his computer?
Encore4More(10:27:01 PM): future of ram
Encore4More(10:27:17 PM): by hindering the upgrading possibilities
Encore4More(10:27:17 PM): http://www.legitreviews.com/article/275/1/
Bobo6374(10:27:18 PM): but we have already established that by the end of next year, 4gb will not be needed
Encore4More(10:27:36 PM): future of ram
Bobo6374(10:27:42 PM): lookie lookie!!!
Bobo6374(10:27:43 PM): I often get asked what kind of memory to suggest for new system buildsand I used to always recommend 1GB of memory in dual channel mode foroptimal performance on today's applications
Encore4More(10:27:50 PM): ye
Bobo6374(10:27:52 PM): 1gb in dual channel
Encore4More(10:27:55 PM): YES
Encore4More(10:27:56 PM): IK
Encore4More(10:27:59 PM): TODAYS APPLICATIONS
Encore4More(10:28:02 PM): NOT TOMMORROWS
Bobo6374(10:28:13 PM): exactly, so he would get that now, then later have 2gb or 3gb in dual channel
Encore4More(10:28:23 PM): TOMARROWS WILL BE 2GB!!!!!!
Bobo6374(10:28:25 PM): for "tomorrows applications"
Bobo6374(10:28:33 PM): which he can easily upgrade to
Encore4More(10:28:38 PM): YES
Bobo6374(10:28:46 PM): so you are agreeing with me
monkeysims123(10:28:49 PM): i only recommend 2gb if they have the cash
Encore4More(10:28:50 PM): but what about the weekends applications?
Bobo6374(10:28:54 PM): oh stfu
Bobo6374(10:29:01 PM): can we be serious here?
Bobo6374(10:29:50 PM): i will take that as a no
Bobo6374(10:29:55 PM): and assume that you agree with me
Encore4More(10:30:15 PM): i am seriious
Encore4More(10:30:20 PM): that wasn't a joke
Encore4More(10:30:23 PM): i am serious
Bobo6374(10:30:33 PM): then explain what exactly you mean
monkeysims123(10:30:43 PM): no your not encore, shut up and listen to him
Encore4More(10:30:54 PM): Bobo6374: then explain what exactly you mean
Encore4More(10:30:59 PM): who does the listening?
Bobo6374(10:31:05 PM): weekend application.....right
Bobo6374(10:31:10 PM): do i not sense joking there?
Encore4More(10:31:20 PM): that isn't a joke
Bobo6374(10:31:26 PM): how not?
Bobo6374(10:31:41 PM): i have never heard the term weekend application
Encore4More(10:31:52 PM): mean that by saying the day after 2morow
Bobo6374(10:32:02 PM): that would be a joke
Encore4More(10:32:07 PM): no that isn't
Encore4More(10:32:12 PM): i mean
Bobo6374(10:32:13 PM): it isn't being serious
Encore4More(10:32:17 PM): 2morrow as in 4 months ago
monkeysims123(10:32:18 PM): that would be where imo 4gb of ram comes in
Encore4More(10:32:26 PM): bleh
Encore4More(10:32:28 PM): no
Bobo6374(10:32:33 PM): wait...tomorrow is 4 months ago?
Bobo6374(10:32:40 PM): now you are confusing the heck out of me
Encore4More(10:32:41 PM): no
Encore4More(10:32:45 PM): Encore4More:blehEncore4More:no
Encore4More(10:32:45 PM): Encore4More:blehEncore4More:no
Encore4More(10:32:46 PM): Encore4More:blehEncore4More:no
Encore4More(10:32:46 PM): Encore4More:blehEncore4More:no
Bobo6374(10:32:51 PM): geez.....
Encore4More(10:33:03 PM): 2morrow is in 4months
Encore4More(10:33:06 PM): not literally
Encore4More(10:33:09 PM): but u know what i mean
Bobo6374(10:33:15 PM): exactly, it isn't literal
Encore4More(10:33:31 PM): that is when he will upgrade to 2GB
monkeysims123(10:33:33 PM): give up encore
monkeysims123(10:33:42 PM): tomorrow is 2gb
Encore4More(10:33:46 PM): yes
Encore4More(10:33:49 PM): in 4months
Bobo6374(10:33:50 PM): exactly, he will upgrade to 2gb
Encore4More(10:33:54 PM): yes
monkeysims123(10:33:55 PM): the day after (weekend) is 4gb
Encore4More(10:33:56 PM): in 4months
Bobo6374(10:33:57 PM): whenever he needs 2 gb
Encore4More(10:33:57 PM): he will
monkeysims123(10:34:00 PM): (1-2 years)
Bobo6374(10:34:01 PM): not necessarily in 4 months
Encore4More(10:34:05 PM): the weekend will be the end of next year
Bobo6374(10:34:06 PM): maybe 1-2 years
Encore4More(10:34:15 PM): lets say 6 months after that
Bobo6374(10:34:16 PM): oi, now you are using weird terms again
Encore4More(10:34:29 PM): then that is where 4gb comes in
Encore4More(10:34:43 PM): do u think at the end of next year there will be 4GB ram
Encore4More(10:34:45 PM): in ppls sigs?
Bobo6374(10:34:48 PM): encore, you are outnumbered 4-1, how many more people need to tell you what we are trying to impress upon you?
Encore4More(10:35:17 PM): doesn't matter how many
Encore4More(10:35:18 PM): brb
monkeysims123(10:35:29 PM): YOUR WRONG ENCORE, GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Encore4More(10:36:48 PM): k back
Encore4More(10:36:51 PM): monkeysims123: YOUR WRONG ENCORE, GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Encore4More(10:36:55 PM): that is all u guys have
Encore4More(10:37:01 PM): i am actually using logic
Bobo6374(10:37:02 PM): not what i have, but what he has
Encore4More(10:37:12 PM): and i amactually LOOKING THIS UP ONLINE
Encore4More(10:37:29 PM): that guy before comes in telling me i am rambling makeing stuff up, and then i give him articles
Encore4More(10:37:37 PM): showing him facts
Bobo6374(10:37:38 PM): and we are sitting here telling you that you are wrong, using information that we know
Encore4More(10:37:49 PM): hold on
monkeysims123(10:38:07 PM): were not talking about that
monkeysims123(10:38:16 PM): we are talking about 4gb of ram
Bobo6374(10:38:22 PM): not really
monkeysims123(10:38:43 PM): and how that will affect that one guys computer
Encore4More(10:38:45 PM): ok
Encore4More(10:38:48 PM): listen here
Bobo6374(10:38:54 PM): *closes ears*
Encore4More(10:38:55 PM): please to not type anything until i say
monkeysims123(10:39:01 PM): *earmuffs*
Encore4More(10:39:12 PM): why are u guys here?
Bobo6374(10:39:17 PM): because you are stubborn
monkeysims123(10:39:22 PM): hardheaded
monkeysims123(10:39:24 PM): ....
Encore4More(10:39:28 PM): stubborn?
Bobo6374(10:39:32 PM): and so are we, so we keep trying to show you the light
Encore4More(10:39:36 PM): stuborb?
Encore4More(10:39:37 PM): Encore4More:listen hereBobo6374: *closes ears*
Encore4More(10:39:38 PM): yea'
Encore4More(10:39:42 PM): who is stubborn?
Encore4More(10:39:44 PM): Encore4More:listen hereBobo6374: *closes ears*
Encore4More(10:39:44 PM): Encore4More:listen hereBobo6374: *closes ears*
Encore4More(10:39:44 PM): Encore4More:listen hereBobo6374: *closes ears*
Encore4More(10:39:48 PM): what is stuborn?
Encore4More(10:39:56 PM): hypocryt
monkeysims123(10:39:57 PM): you dont listen
Bobo6374(10:39:59 PM): i am more stubborn than you are, trust me
monkeysims123(10:40:06 PM): same here
Bobo6374(10:40:15 PM): none of us listen, that is why we are all still here arguing
Encore4More(10:40:16 PM): than why are u saying ur gona fix me?
Encore4More(10:40:28 PM): and that ur gona show me the light
monkeysims123(10:40:32 PM): listen to me and bobo, encore dont talk
Encore4More(10:40:36 PM): when u can't even find the light switch
Bobo6374(10:40:46 PM): i do have half a brain
Encore4More(10:40:55 PM): i will listen if u listen to me after
Bobo6374(10:40:56 PM): enough to understand this and see the light switch
Encore4More(10:40:57 PM): type
Encore4More(10:41:00 PM): now
Bobo6374(10:41:03 PM): why?
Bobo6374(10:41:10 PM): ok...fine
Encore4More(10:41:16 PM): monkeysims123: listen to me and bobo, encore dont talk
Encore4More(10:41:18 PM): go
Bobo6374(10:41:28 PM): 1gb is plenty right now, many people have said so
Bobo6374(10:41:37 PM): i am not going to quote them all, just read the thread for yourself
monkeysims123(10:41:47 PM): 2gb is unneeded now, but it can be used
Bobo6374(10:41:56 PM): but there is no reason why he shouldn't go for dual channel right now
monkeysims123(10:42:02 PM): 2gb will be optimal "tomorrow"
Bobo6374(10:42:10 PM): because that is all he needs right now and the dual channel with boost performance
monkeysims123(10:42:20 PM): correct
Bobo6374(10:42:24 PM): in the future, he can upgrade to 2gb, and have a perfectly balanced system
monkeysims123(10:42:29 PM): correct
Bobo6374(10:42:43 PM): or, if he really really needs it, which is a slim possibilty, he can upgrade to 3gb without wasting any ram
Encore4More(10:42:43 PM): is that all u have to say?
Encore4More(10:42:47 PM): tell me when ur done
Encore4More(10:42:51 PM): so i can type
Bobo6374(10:42:52 PM): i am done for now
Bobo6374(10:43:00 PM): while i look for the lightswithch
Bobo6374(10:43:06 PM): go ahead, i'll shut up
Encore4More(10:43:06 PM): monkey sims?
Encore4More(10:43:08 PM): anything
Encore4More(10:43:14 PM): u done?
monkeysims123(10:43:15 PM): bobo summed it up
Encore4More(10:43:18 PM): ok
Encore4More(10:43:32 PM): now, u have not showed any proof, or showed any logic
Encore4More(10:43:39 PM): i am going to show u logic
Encore4More(10:44:09 PM): 1999- 64/128
Encore4More(10:44:21 PM): 2000-128/256
monkeysims123(10:44:30 PM): IVE ALREADY HEARD THIS ONCE AND IM NOT LISTENING TO IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Encore4More(10:44:30 PM): 2001-128/256
Encore4More(10:44:45 PM): monkeysims
Encore4More(10:44:46 PM): u failes
Encore4More(10:44:49 PM): failed*
Encore4More(10:44:54 PM): u should leave the room
Encore4More(10:45:00 PM): bob didn't interrupt me
Encore4More(10:45:02 PM): bobo*
Bobo6374(10:45:10 PM): i disciplined monkey
Bobo6374(10:45:11 PM): go ahead
Encore4More(10:45:24 PM): i have to start over now
Encore4More(10:45:27 PM): 1999- 64/128
Encore4More(10:45:31 PM): 2000-128/256
Encore4More(10:45:39 PM): 2001-128/256
Encore4More(10:45:47 PM): 2002 - 256/512
Encore4More(10:45:54 PM): 2003 - 256/512
Encore4More(10:46:01 PM): 2004 - 512/1024
Encore4More(10:46:06 PM): 2005 - 1024/2048
Encore4More(10:46:12 PM): 2006 - 1024/2048
Encore4More(10:46:42 PM): now, you LOGICALLY continue, don't type words, JUST continue the chart LOGICALLY 3 years
Encore4More(10:46:43 PM): bobo
Encore4More(10:46:45 PM): u do it
Bobo6374(10:46:58 PM): there is no definite pattern
monkeysims123(10:47:01 PM): 2004 - 256/512, 2005 - 512/1024
Bobo6374(10:47:06 PM): because quantity is not the only factor
monkeysims123(10:47:08 PM): thats more reasonable to me
Bobo6374(10:47:14 PM): RAM speed is skyrocketing
Bobo6374(10:47:26 PM): it has doubled (for AMD) systems just in a few months
monkeysims123(10:47:32 PM): were at 800mhz now
Bobo6374(10:47:38 PM): NONONO
monkeysims123(10:47:39 PM): 400mhz 2 months ago
Bobo6374(10:47:47 PM): DDR2-800 is 400MHz
Bobo6374(10:47:53 PM): please don't start that with me
monkeysims123(10:47:58 PM): lol
Bobo6374(10:48:01 PM): anyway,
Encore4More(10:48:07 PM): 133MHz in 1999
Bobo6374(10:48:16 PM): we don't need your charts
Encore4More(10:48:28 PM): i don't need your ideas
monkeysims123(10:48:31 PM): no charts please
Encore4More(10:48:45 PM): that is like saying "no proof please"
Encore4More(10:48:55 PM): "no logic please"
Bobo6374(10:48:55 PM): you say your charts are right, yet we and many others say we are right
monkeysims123(10:48:57 PM): we dont need proif
Encore4More(10:49:04 PM): chart is proof
monkeysims123(10:49:05 PM): your proof*
Encore4More(10:49:14 PM): logically continue the chart
Bobo6374(10:49:21 PM): from the very website that you listed:
Bobo6374(10:49:23 PM): 1GB of memory in dual channel mode foroptimal performance on today's applications
Encore4More(10:49:30 PM): people on computer forum have 2gb ram
Encore4More(10:49:33 PM): tons of ppl;
Bobo6374(10:49:34 PM): and that is your proof
Encore4More(10:49:38 PM): yes
Encore4More(10:49:39 PM): todays
monkeysims123(10:49:43 PM): casue they have bookoos of money
Bobo6374(10:49:44 PM): which is the point
Bobo6374(10:49:49 PM): he won't need 2gb until tomorrow
monkeysims123(10:49:57 PM): "tomorrow"
Encore4More(10:49:58 PM): yes
Encore4More(10:50:00 PM): exactly
Bobo6374(10:50:00 PM): at which point he would upgrade to 2gb or 3gb, not 4gb
Encore4More(10:50:12 PM): no yhe would upgrade to 2gb tomarrow
Bobo6374(10:50:21 PM): no he wouldn't, and isn't going to
Bobo6374(10:50:27 PM): oh wait...which tomorrow?
Encore4More(10:50:30 PM): and the day after 2morrow he would upgrade to 4
Bobo6374(10:50:39 PM): oi....i hate these logical terms
Bobo6374(10:50:43 PM): they mess with my brain
monkeysims123(10:50:45 PM): same here
Bobo6374(10:50:48 PM): but why 4?
Encore4More(10:50:57 PM): i have discovered that we aren't going to finish this agreeing
Bobo6374(10:51:03 PM): if you look at the chart, the numbers don't double every year
Bobo6374(10:51:27 PM): then let's agree to disagree and see what cf thinks
monkeysims123(10:51:35 PM): i agree

Dr Studly

hey
u forgot to add "monkeysims"'s "bye, noob"

Bobo

whoops, i didn't even see that

Yasu

Hmm...why does this remind me of Justen posting a topic about a personal conversation? Honestly, 4 gigs of RAM is overkill for normal tasks and gaming in my opinion, but if you want to upgrade that much then go ahead. I don't care who's right or wrong, just do whatever. I think what we should be concerned about is the grammar and spelling in that conversation.

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jp198780

4 gigs is nuts!!, wont even be able 2 put all the 2 use, you'll probrably only use 1g. extreme gamers i think only use 2g.

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savagenator

i recently found an old computer built in 1994, with an old IBM 133mhz CPU, the RAM isn't even DDR, its below DDR, and is only 4mb. It has 3 8-bit slots and 4 PCI slots, with no USB and an old .5inch keybaord jack of some sort. Also a 2gb HDD.

Now with that in mind, it was 12 years oldo, and according to moore's law and the law of accelerating return (i dont wanna explain, all you need to know its an exponential curve that technology increases by, and its entirely accurate) in about 2010, we will have a super computer that is as powerful as 1 human brain, and in about 2020, we can buy a computer for $1000 that is as powerful as 1 human brain. In about 2050, we will have a supercomputer that is as powerful as all the human in the world, and by about 2099, we will have a $1000 computer as poweful as all human brains.

This is entirely true and will happen. Human brain is huge, using extreme parrallel processing, but is very slow (its still measured in Hz or something). The reason computer will catch up is becuase they are quite a bit faster and don't have to be as complicated. Right now our $1000 comptuer are about 10,000 times less powerful than one human brain. That is how fast we are going on in technology. We will need more than even a terabyte of RAM.

Source: "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray Kurzweil. Highly recommend reading it.

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MadModder

I'm going to disagree with Encore and his chart. It is logical that a pattern would continue, but, that doesn't mean it will. PC users may stick with 2GBs for the next three years. Some genius may come up with a way to use less RAM, and we could revert to 1GB. Who knows?

As mentioned before, RAM is not the only factor in the equation. Better HDDs, better processors and better technology is developed every day. Who's to say that RAM doesn't just become soldered directly onto the motherboard again? (Slim, slim, slim chance.)

There isn't any defined answer. The only answers go straight back to "What if?" So please, give it up. My advice is for this guy to buy either 1GB for standard PC use, or 2GBs for gaming. If he needs 4GBs, he'll buy it. If he never does, he won't.

That's my 2 cents.

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YEA_PC_PHONICS

wow you guys fight like elementry kids. how imature. AND GOD DAMNIT NEXT TIME INVITE MEEEE. LOL i like arguing. but on this one i agree with encore. his chart makes relative sence. (unlike my spelling.)

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savagenator

you didn't get MY piont. There is never enough RAM! RAM is used to store data to be processed into information/instructions, and if you have a lot of instructions, like some for graphics, some for editing, some for other stuff, then if you have a tremendious amount of RAM then the RAM wouldn't have to send some of the stuff getting ready to be processed to the HDD, and back again which will take a while. Its true that there may be so much to process the CPU would hold the time back, but some things are easier to process than others

EDIT: my previous explenation was to show that 2gb won't be overkill in a year or 2, even if you say it will, windows will find something to hog it.
EDIT2: i just realized thats what physical processing units do, they add more video RAM and processing power becuase graphics is increasing slightly faster than processing, but that will probably change when core dou 2 comes out.

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AMD x2 4400+ ($480)
Gigabyte ga-k8n-SLI ($90)
2 - 512 mb corsair RAM ($100)
7800 GT ($300)
x-dreamer ($50)
True power 2 550 Watt ($90)
win xp pro, SP2 ($100)

total: $1,210
happyness; :D :D :D :D :D