Modem -> Router -> Hub (for wireless) ??

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 12:37 AM

I have a cable modem, that connects to a linksys router that I got through Vonage. It has 3 ethernet ports and 2 phone jacks. I just got a laptop and now want wireless internet, so I got a neatgear wireless router. I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff so I had a friend come over to help me set it up. He was having problems getting the routers to work daisy chained and suggested just getting a hub for the wireless internet. I called a few computer stores today and they said a hub is the same as a router?!? It will still have an IP address and DHC... this is where I get lost. Anyways, I thought the hub would just act as an extension of the router, therefore I wouldn't need to configure how the hub and router would work together... you can see I'm confused, any help is appreciated.

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 12:42 AM

A router has a hub/switch built into it(IE the extra ports) so technically it is the same, just with more features.

What you'll probably have to do is set everything up with your wireless router. Then on your old one, you need to basically disable ALL the features(DHCP, firewall, etc etc...) and connect it to your other router. You might have to use an uplink on one of them, if they have the option. SOmtimes this is required, sometimes the ports automatically switch over. You CAN NOT use the WAN port on the router that isn't wireless. This port is only made to be connected to the modem and will not work on your network otherwise.l

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 12:54 AM

Would it just be smarter of me to get a wifi hub/switch instead of fussing with adding the wifi router and dealing with all of the feature disabling?

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 01:10 AM

...I thought you had one?

"so I got a neatgear wireless router"

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 01:12 AM

yes but I was told that using a plain ol' wifi hub/switch would make this project a lot more simple then trying to use the wifi router. Because of all of the conflicting settings???

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 01:57 AM

There is no such thing as a "wifi switch" There are Access points, which have only the wireless function in them, but no switch. Add in a switch and you pretty much have a router...

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 04:52 AM

I don't think the existing hard wired router had the ability to turn of the DHCP, although I wouldn't be surprised if it does and we just didn't see it. I know for a fact that the new wireless netgear router does have the ability to have the DHCP turned off.

Is it critical which one has the DHCP disabled?
Thanks for your help.
Are there any settings that I'll have to change regarding the IP's?

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 05:12 AM

if it's a Linksys router it should have the ability to disable DHCP. You COULD leave it on, I suppose, but it could conflict with the other router's DHCP, even if you manually assign static IPs to all computers.

As for settings, it's hard to say. Our old modem wouldn't work unless I manually entered the IP address and what not assigned to us from our ISP. However, our new one is totally dynamic and aquires it automatically.

calpolyarc · 08-03-2006, 12:40 AM

I got the wireless router working, so I have cable modem -> Linksys Router -> Netgear Wifi Router

DHCS is enabled on both routers. My problem now is I can't get the 2 computers to see each other. The laptop can ping my desktop but not the other way around. All firewalls that I can think of are disabled... for the meantime until I figure out what the problem is.

calpolyarc · 08-03-2006, 12:51 AM

What I don't understand is that the IP address on my desktop is 192.168.15.101 but on the laptop it's 192.168.1.3.... I thought it should be sequential, like .15.102 instead of .1.3 ????

08-02-2006, 12:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 30 Posts: 92	Modem -> Router -> Hub (for wireless) ?? I have a cable modem, that connects to a linksys router that I got through Vonage. It has 3 ethernet ports and 2 phone jacks. I just got a laptop and now want wireless internet, so I got a neatgear wireless router. I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff so I had a friend come over to help me set it up. He was having problems getting the routers to work daisy chained and suggested just getting a hub for the wireless internet. I called a few computer stores today and they said a hub is the same as a router?!? It will still have an IP address and DHC... this is where I get lost. Anyways, I thought the hub would just act as an extension of the router, therefore I wouldn't need to configure how the hub and router would work together... you can see I'm confused, any help is appreciated. __________________ Q9650 / ASUS P5B / 4 x 2Gb GSkill DDR2 800 / Quadro FX 1500 / Antec 500W Earthwatts / Xigmatek HDT-S1283

08-02-2006, 12:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 25 Posts: 13,297	A router has a hub/switch built into it(IE the extra ports) so technically it is the same, just with more features. What you'll probably have to do is set everything up with your wireless router. Then on your old one, you need to basically disable ALL the features(DHCP, firewall, etc etc...) and connect it to your other router. You might have to use an uplink on one of them, if they have the option. SOmtimes this is required, sometimes the ports automatically switch over. You CAN NOT use the WAN port on the router that isn't wireless. This port is only made to be connected to the modem and will not work on your network otherwise.l __________________ Primary- i7 920 \| 6GB RAM \| 9800GT \| 160+160+500GB Secondary- Athlon X2 4200 \| 2GB RAM \| 7600GT \| 80+250GB Netbook - Atom N280 \| 2GB RAM \| GMA945\| 160GB

08-02-2006, 12:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 30 Posts: 92	Would it just be smarter of me to get a wifi hub/switch instead of fussing with adding the wifi router and dealing with all of the feature disabling? __________________ Q9650 / ASUS P5B / 4 x 2Gb GSkill DDR2 800 / Quadro FX 1500 / Antec 500W Earthwatts / Xigmatek HDT-S1283

08-02-2006, 01:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 25 Posts: 13,297	...I thought you had one? "so I got a neatgear wireless router" __________________ Primary- i7 920 \| 6GB RAM \| 9800GT \| 160+160+500GB Secondary- Athlon X2 4200 \| 2GB RAM \| 7600GT \| 80+250GB Netbook - Atom N280 \| 2GB RAM \| GMA945\| 160GB

08-02-2006, 01:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 30 Posts: 92	yes but I was told that using a plain ol' wifi hub/switch would make this project a lot more simple then trying to use the wifi router. Because of all of the conflicting settings??? __________________ Q9650 / ASUS P5B / 4 x 2Gb GSkill DDR2 800 / Quadro FX 1500 / Antec 500W Earthwatts / Xigmatek HDT-S1283

08-02-2006, 01:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 25 Posts: 13,297	There is no such thing as a "wifi switch" There are Access points, which have only the wireless function in them, but no switch. Add in a switch and you pretty much have a router... __________________ Primary- i7 920 \| 6GB RAM \| 9800GT \| 160+160+500GB Secondary- Athlon X2 4200 \| 2GB RAM \| 7600GT \| 80+250GB Netbook - Atom N280 \| 2GB RAM \| GMA945\| 160GB

08-02-2006, 04:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 30 Posts: 92	I don't think the existing hard wired router had the ability to turn of the DHCP, although I wouldn't be surprised if it does and we just didn't see it. I know for a fact that the new wireless netgear router does have the ability to have the DHCP turned off. Is it critical which one has the DHCP disabled? Thanks for your help. Are there any settings that I'll have to change regarding the IP's? __________________ Q9650 / ASUS P5B / 4 x 2Gb GSkill DDR2 800 / Quadro FX 1500 / Antec 500W Earthwatts / Xigmatek HDT-S1283

08-02-2006, 05:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 25 Posts: 13,297	if it's a Linksys router it should have the ability to disable DHCP. You COULD leave it on, I suppose, but it could conflict with the other router's DHCP, even if you manually assign static IPs to all computers. As for settings, it's hard to say. Our old modem wouldn't work unless I manually entered the IP address and what not assigned to us from our ISP. However, our new one is totally dynamic and aquires it automatically. __________________ Primary- i7 920 \| 6GB RAM \| 9800GT \| 160+160+500GB Secondary- Athlon X2 4200 \| 2GB RAM \| 7600GT \| 80+250GB Netbook - Atom N280 \| 2GB RAM \| GMA945\| 160GB

08-03-2006, 12:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 30 Posts: 92	I got the wireless router working, so I have cable modem -> Linksys Router -> Netgear Wifi Router DHCS is enabled on both routers. My problem now is I can't get the 2 computers to see each other. The laptop can ping my desktop but not the other way around. All firewalls that I can think of are disabled... for the meantime until I figure out what the problem is. __________________ Q9650 / ASUS P5B / 4 x 2Gb GSkill DDR2 800 / Quadro FX 1500 / Antec 500W Earthwatts / Xigmatek HDT-S1283

08-03-2006, 12:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 30 Posts: 92	What I don't understand is that the IP address on my desktop is 192.168.15.101 but on the laptop it's 192.168.1.3.... I thought it should be sequential, like .15.102 instead of .1.3 ???? __________________ Q9650 / ASUS P5B / 4 x 2Gb GSkill DDR2 800 / Quadro FX 1500 / Antec 500W Earthwatts / Xigmatek HDT-S1283

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