Modem -> Router -> Hub (for wireless) ??

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 12:37 AM

I have a cable modem, that connects to a linksys router that I got through Vonage. It has 3 ethernet ports and 2 phone jacks. I just got a laptop and now want wireless internet, so I got a neatgear wireless router. I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff so I had a friend come over to help me set it up. He was having problems getting the routers to work daisy chained and suggested just getting a hub for the wireless internet. I called a few computer stores today and they said a hub is the same as a router?!? It will still have an IP address and DHC... this is where I get lost. Anyways, I thought the hub would just act as an extension of the router, therefore I wouldn't need to configure how the hub and router would work together... you can see I'm confused, any help is appreciated.

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 12:42 AM

A router has a hub/switch built into it(IE the extra ports) so technically it is the same, just with more features.

What you'll probably have to do is set everything up with your wireless router. Then on your old one, you need to basically disable ALL the features(DHCP, firewall, etc etc...) and connect it to your other router. You might have to use an uplink on one of them, if they have the option. SOmtimes this is required, sometimes the ports automatically switch over. You CAN NOT use the WAN port on the router that isn't wireless. This port is only made to be connected to the modem and will not work on your network otherwise.l

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 12:54 AM

Would it just be smarter of me to get a wifi hub/switch instead of fussing with adding the wifi router and dealing with all of the feature disabling?

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 01:10 AM

...I thought you had one?

"so I got a neatgear wireless router"

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 01:12 AM

yes but I was told that using a plain ol' wifi hub/switch would make this project a lot more simple then trying to use the wifi router. Because of all of the conflicting settings???

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 01:57 AM

There is no such thing as a "wifi switch" There are Access points, which have only the wireless function in them, but no switch. Add in a switch and you pretty much have a router...

calpolyarc · 08-02-2006, 04:52 AM

I don't think the existing hard wired router had the ability to turn of the DHCP, although I wouldn't be surprised if it does and we just didn't see it. I know for a fact that the new wireless netgear router does have the ability to have the DHCP turned off.

Is it critical which one has the DHCP disabled?
Thanks for your help.
Are there any settings that I'll have to change regarding the IP's?

**The_Other_One** · 08-02-2006, 05:12 AM

if it's a Linksys router it should have the ability to disable DHCP. You COULD leave it on, I suppose, but it could conflict with the other router's DHCP, even if you manually assign static IPs to all computers.

As for settings, it's hard to say. Our old modem wouldn't work unless I manually entered the IP address and what not assigned to us from our ISP. However, our new one is totally dynamic and aquires it automatically.

calpolyarc · 08-03-2006, 12:40 AM

I got the wireless router working, so I have cable modem -> Linksys Router -> Netgear Wifi Router

DHCS is enabled on both routers. My problem now is I can't get the 2 computers to see each other. The laptop can ping my desktop but not the other way around. All firewalls that I can think of are disabled... for the meantime until I figure out what the problem is.

calpolyarc · 08-03-2006, 12:51 AM

What I don't understand is that the IP address on my desktop is 192.168.15.101 but on the laptop it's 192.168.1.3.... I thought it should be sequential, like .15.102 instead of .1.3 ????

08-02-2006, 12:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 84	Modem -> Router -> Hub (for wireless) ?? I have a cable modem, that connects to a linksys router that I got through Vonage. It has 3 ethernet ports and 2 phone jacks. I just got a laptop and now want wireless internet, so I got a neatgear wireless router. I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff so I had a friend come over to help me set it up. He was having problems getting the routers to work daisy chained and suggested just getting a hub for the wireless internet. I called a few computer stores today and they said a hub is the same as a router?!? It will still have an IP address and DHC... this is where I get lost. Anyways, I thought the hub would just act as an extension of the router, therefore I wouldn't need to configure how the hub and router would work together... you can see I'm confused, any help is appreciated. __________________ Modeling Workhorse: P4 3.0, 800 Mhz / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / 4 x 512 PC3200 DDR / ATI FireGL Z1 AGP Pro w/ Dual Screens Rendering Workhorse: Duo Core T2400 1.83 GHz / 2x1 GB DDR2 SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon X1400

08-02-2006, 12:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 24 Posts: 12,368	A router has a hub/switch built into it(IE the extra ports) so technically it is the same, just with more features. What you'll probably have to do is set everything up with your wireless router. Then on your old one, you need to basically disable ALL the features(DHCP, firewall, etc etc...) and connect it to your other router. You might have to use an uplink on one of them, if they have the option. SOmtimes this is required, sometimes the ports automatically switch over. You CAN NOT use the WAN port on the router that isn't wireless. This port is only made to be connected to the modem and will not work on your network otherwise.l __________________ Desktop * Athlon X2 4200 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| 7600GT Laptop1 * C2D T5550 \| 3G RAM \| 120G HD \| Intel x3100 Laptop2 * C2D T5250 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| Intel x3100

08-02-2006, 12:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 84	Would it just be smarter of me to get a wifi hub/switch instead of fussing with adding the wifi router and dealing with all of the feature disabling? __________________ Modeling Workhorse: P4 3.0, 800 Mhz / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / 4 x 512 PC3200 DDR / ATI FireGL Z1 AGP Pro w/ Dual Screens Rendering Workhorse: Duo Core T2400 1.83 GHz / 2x1 GB DDR2 SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon X1400

08-02-2006, 01:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 24 Posts: 12,368	...I thought you had one? "so I got a neatgear wireless router" __________________ Desktop * Athlon X2 4200 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| 7600GT Laptop1 * C2D T5550 \| 3G RAM \| 120G HD \| Intel x3100 Laptop2 * C2D T5250 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| Intel x3100

08-02-2006, 01:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 84	yes but I was told that using a plain ol' wifi hub/switch would make this project a lot more simple then trying to use the wifi router. Because of all of the conflicting settings??? __________________ Modeling Workhorse: P4 3.0, 800 Mhz / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / 4 x 512 PC3200 DDR / ATI FireGL Z1 AGP Pro w/ Dual Screens Rendering Workhorse: Duo Core T2400 1.83 GHz / 2x1 GB DDR2 SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon X1400

08-02-2006, 01:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 24 Posts: 12,368	There is no such thing as a "wifi switch" There are Access points, which have only the wireless function in them, but no switch. Add in a switch and you pretty much have a router... __________________ Desktop * Athlon X2 4200 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| 7600GT Laptop1 * C2D T5550 \| 3G RAM \| 120G HD \| Intel x3100 Laptop2 * C2D T5250 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| Intel x3100

08-02-2006, 04:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 84	I don't think the existing hard wired router had the ability to turn of the DHCP, although I wouldn't be surprised if it does and we just didn't see it. I know for a fact that the new wireless netgear router does have the ability to have the DHCP turned off. Is it critical which one has the DHCP disabled? Thanks for your help. Are there any settings that I'll have to change regarding the IP's? __________________ Modeling Workhorse: P4 3.0, 800 Mhz / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / 4 x 512 PC3200 DDR / ATI FireGL Z1 AGP Pro w/ Dual Screens Rendering Workhorse: Duo Core T2400 1.83 GHz / 2x1 GB DDR2 SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon X1400

08-02-2006, 05:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 24 Posts: 12,368	if it's a Linksys router it should have the ability to disable DHCP. You COULD leave it on, I suppose, but it could conflict with the other router's DHCP, even if you manually assign static IPs to all computers. As for settings, it's hard to say. Our old modem wouldn't work unless I manually entered the IP address and what not assigned to us from our ISP. However, our new one is totally dynamic and aquires it automatically. __________________ Desktop * Athlon X2 4200 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| 7600GT Laptop1 * C2D T5550 \| 3G RAM \| 120G HD \| Intel x3100 Laptop2 * C2D T5250 \| 2G RAM \| 160G HD \| Intel x3100

08-03-2006, 12:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 84	I got the wireless router working, so I have cable modem -> Linksys Router -> Netgear Wifi Router DHCS is enabled on both routers. My problem now is I can't get the 2 computers to see each other. The laptop can ping my desktop but not the other way around. All firewalls that I can think of are disabled... for the meantime until I figure out what the problem is. __________________ Modeling Workhorse: P4 3.0, 800 Mhz / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / 4 x 512 PC3200 DDR / ATI FireGL Z1 AGP Pro w/ Dual Screens Rendering Workhorse: Duo Core T2400 1.83 GHz / 2x1 GB DDR2 SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon X1400

08-03-2006, 12:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
calpolyarc Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 84	What I don't understand is that the IP address on my desktop is 192.168.15.101 but on the laptop it's 192.168.1.3.... I thought it should be sequential, like .15.102 instead of .1.3 ???? __________________ Modeling Workhorse: P4 3.0, 800 Mhz / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / 4 x 512 PC3200 DDR / ATI FireGL Z1 AGP Pro w/ Dual Screens Rendering Workhorse: Duo Core T2400 1.83 GHz / 2x1 GB DDR2 SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon X1400

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