Which CPU is really better and why? (confused about clock speeds...)

bball4life · 08-22-2006, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

Why do you think AMD held the record of outperforming faster Intel models for several years?! Do you see any 3+ ghz AMD cpus around? But AM2 as well as the newer plans for the new Opteron line look good here still.

Of all people PC eye, you are falling into the whole Operating frequency trap.

When Intel switched to the core architecture, the first of these being the core 2's or "conroes" as they are more commonly called, from the netburst architecture Intel finally got smart with there cpus. They finally realized that people weren't falling for their super high speeds adn were finally starting to look at actual performance. Which this switch they did lower the operating frequencies quite substantially, and now they are effectively even with AMD's frequencies for the most part. Now with this drop in Frequencies they also dropped the speed at which their cpu cycles, which pretty much is how often a cpu processes information. But as they laxed their cycle speed they also allow for more information to be processeed per cycle, which AMD has been doing for years. However what makes the Core Architecture and the Core 2 processors so amazing (and yes I am and AMD guy, but there are certain times where performance is just completely lopsided) is the fact that they took it one step further and are processing more information per cycle then AMD is doing, so now Intel is the one doing more per clock cycle.

In addition they have added almost unprecedented amounts of cache and have also lowered the default or stock voltages of their cpu's by around 40% compared to their previous line up. This allows for incredible overclocking potential allowing people to add more vcore to their overclock allowing for a stable overclock at a higher FSB without dramatically increasing their temperatures. That is why you are seeing almost truly insane overclocks, especially without LN2 or other extreme forms of cooling for these to be achieved. There is really no way you can compare a core 2 chip to a x2, because quite frankly its no contest. You must remember the e6600 pretty much beats the FX-62 in every set of benchmarks they have tested them with, for 1/3 of the price. Even the e6400 beat the FX-62 on various benchmarks, only losing in final performance by a relatively small margin. So I can say with some confidence, but yet no personal experience, that the e6300 would almost hands down beat the x2 4200.

PC eye · 08-22-2006, 06:51 AM

I haven't fallen into anything. I'll just wait for a new Opteron or AM3 when AMD starts coming out with their tail kickers again.

bball4life · 08-22-2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

I haven't fallen into anything. I'll just wait for a new Opteron or AM3 when AMD starts coming out with their tail kickers again.

But honestly by that time I am sure Intel would have come out with something faster. But pretty soon we should start to see good competition between the two companies again.

PC eye · 08-22-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bball4life

But honestly by that time I am sure Intel would have come out with something faster. But pretty soon we should start to see good competition between the two companies again.

Well there should be with the latest buyout of ATI seen. Do you think Intel will make a move on NVidia?

bball4life · 08-22-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

Well there should be with the latest buyout of ATI seen. Do you think Intel will make a move on NVidia?

I highly doubt it, Intel can develop the graphics chips on their own if they want. They are two massive companies, and the merge just wouldn't go well for anybody, nor be necessary.

PC eye · 08-22-2006, 07:42 AM

ATI was no convenience store either and AMD bought them. Gee that would really boost them up if Intel goofs NVidia.

!!! Gee? Then I would have to run out and buy a new board with other then the nForce 4 chip on this one.

!!!

footballstevo75 · 08-22-2006, 07:58 AM

back to the subject...

add another vote for conroe!

XFs · 08-22-2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PC eye

The dual core Intel model runs at 1.86ghz while the 4600+ X2 runs at 2.4ghz. Since the AMD model is also a dual core model you would be looking at a faster cpu there. The E6600 Core 2 runs at 2.4ghz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115003

Please keep in mind that Core 2 Duo is not their "Dual Core" product line.
They shouldn't have called it Core 2 Duo in my opinion, since it sounds like it is the same product as their "Dual Core" CPUs.

PC eye · 08-22-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by XFs

Please keep in mind that Core 2 Duo is not their "Dual Core" product line.
They shouldn't have called it Core 2 Duo in my opinion, since it sounds like it is the same product as their "Dual Core" CPUs.

CPU Socket TypeLGA 775Tech SpecCoreConroeMulti-CoreDual-CoreNameCore 2 Duo E6600Operating Frequency2.4GHzFSB1066MHz

You were saying? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115003

insaneazian · 08-22-2006, 10:02 AM

Pffft. I'm so ready for the 4x4 vs. quad core showdown later this year and early next year.

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08-22-2006, 06:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,213	I haven't fallen into anything. I'll just wait for a new Opteron or AM3 when AMD starts coming out with their tail kickers again.

08-22-2006, 07:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,213	ATI was no convenience store either and AMD bought them. Gee that would really boost them up if Intel goofs NVidia. !!! Gee? Then I would have to run out and buy a new board with other then the nForce 4 chip on this one. !!!

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insaneazian Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 138	Pffft. I'm so ready for the 4x4 vs. quad core showdown later this year and early next year.