How can I make it so windows sees my 150 gig and my 40 gig as a 190 gig?

bamhm182 · 08-27-2006, 11:43 PM

Okay, I've got both the hard drives in my computer and windows can see them both, but I was wondering if I could make it see them both as one(ex., right now when I go into my computer it says C: 40 Gb and D: 150 GB, is where a way to make it say C: 190 GB?) I think programs like partition Magic and stuff can only partition 1 hard drive, and can't conjoin 2, but I just wanted to ask to make sure. If there's no way to do it, than I'll just make the 150 GB the one for my good computer and make the 40 GB the one for my old Dell.

**The_Other_One** · 08-28-2006, 12:00 AM

There's a setup called RAID that allows you to do this with a pair of identically sized drives. I don't know of anything that allows you to do what you want... There might be software to do so out there, but it's fairly unpractical seeing as they are so different.

I THINK it's possible to make say a 40G partition on your 160G and then combine it with your 40G as a standard RAID though windows, but I've never tried this.

PC eye · 08-28-2006, 12:14 AM

If the drives are ide type drives you are stuck with two drives seen. With either a SATA or RAID array you are essentially making a mirror image of one drive with the other to see one partition cover both drives. You can always reassign the drive letter for the second drive to see it as the E, F, G, H, I, etc. if you want the cd or dvd drive seen as the D drive.

Sacrinyellow5 · 08-28-2006, 01:52 AM

** I was wondering the same thing a while ago and found this. Maybe it will help you out!

Info came from Wikipedia

Concatenation (JBOD)

Although a concatenation of disks (also called JBOD, or "Just a Bunch of Disks") is not one of the numbered RAID levels, it is a popular method for combining multiple physical disk drives into a single virtual one. As the name implies, disks are merely concatenated together, end to beginning, so they appear to be a single large disk.

In this sense, concatenation is akin to the reverse of partitioning. Whereas partitioning takes one physical drive and creates two or more logical drives, JBOD uses two or more physical drives to create one logical drive.

In that it consists of an Array of Independent Disks (no redundancy), it can be thought of as a distant relation to RAID. JBOD is sometimes used to turn several odd-sized drives into one useful drive. Therefore, JBOD could use a 3 GB, 15 GB, 5.5 GB, and 12 GB drive to combine into a logical drive at 35.5 GB, which is often more useful than the individual drives separately.

JBOD is similar to the widely used Logical Volume Manager (LVM) and Logical Storage Manager (LSM) in UNIX and UNIX-based operating systems (OS). JBOD is useful for OSs which do not support LVM/LSM (like MS-Windows, although Windows 2003 Server, Windows XP Pro, and Windows 2000 support software JBOD, known as spanning dynamic disks). The difference between JBOD and LVM/LSM is that the address remapping between the logical address of the concatenated device and the physical address of the disc is done by the RAID hardware instead of the OS kernel as it is LVM/LSM.

One advantage JBOD has over RAID 0 is in the case of drive failure. Whereas in RAID 0, failure of a single drive will usually result in the loss of all data in the array, in a JBOD array only the data on the affected drive is lost, and the data on surviving drives will remain readable. However, JBOD does not carry the performance benefits which are associated with RAID 0.

Note: Some Raid cards (Ex. 3ware) use JBOD to refer to configuring drives without raid features including concatenation. Each drive shows up separately in the OS.

Note: Many Linux distributions refer to JBOD as "linear mode" or "append mode." The Mac OS 10.4 implementation - called a "Concatenated Disk Set" - does NOT leave the user with any usable data on the remaining drives if one drive fails in a "Concatenated Disk Set," although the disks do have the write performance documented in the illustration above.

bamhm182 · 08-28-2006, 01:58 AM

okay, thanks, I think I'm just going to put the 150 in my computer, than put the 40 in my Dell and give it to my brother.

bamhm182 · 08-28-2006, 02:22 AM

I just have one more question about this, I am trying to get all my music and videos onto the 150 gig, but I have about 75 GB of stuff, I was wondering how I would go about saving all over that stuff, I have a DVD/CD burner, but that'd take A LOT of CDs. Is there a place I can go on the internet that would let me upload about 75 GB onto it, than download it? If I copied all of the files in the C: (the 40 gig) to the empty D: (150 gig) would I be able to set the 150 gig to master and boot it up?

Ku-sama · 08-28-2006, 02:26 AM

buy a 120GB Harddrive from Best buy and say it didnt work after you transfer the stuff...

bamhm182 · 08-28-2006, 02:37 AM

okay, thanks, but I don't think we have enough money for that right now, I think I might ask my friend if I can borrow his 30 gig mp3 player, than use my 40 gig, and delete about 5 gigs of stuff, either that or delete my isos for my psp, I don't know, somehow I think I'm going to use the 40 gig to move all of the stuff over, so I might be able to compress it really tight. Do you know of a program that can compress about 75 GB of stuff to less than 40? If you don't know one that's that good, what's the best one that you know of?

ezefosure · 08-28-2006, 04:12 AM

if you have a router or even an extra ethernet cable anywhere in your house you could create a temporary network and transfer them like that. Or, you could use aim and transfer them between computers using the file sharing option built into the IMS.

However, both methods described above would force you to have the HDDs in two seperate workign computers and powered on. The aim method's speed would also depend on your internet speed, although if you use a router aim would automatically sense your LAN and speed up the transfer a bit. The temporary network solution, however, wouldnt rely on your internet connection, unless you wanted it to.

PC eye · 08-28-2006, 05:24 AM

If that was a dvd burner you could use about 7 or 8 dvd rewritable disks to drag the files onto those. Which drive was the host drive? the 40gb or the 150gb? If the larger drive was already the boot drive you wouldn't have to do anything. It would now be the single master.

08-27-2006, 11:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
bamhm182 Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado (USA) Age: 15 Posts: 617	How can I make it so windows sees my 150 gig and my 40 gig as a 190 gig? Okay, I've got both the hard drives in my computer and windows can see them both, but I was wondering if I could make it see them both as one(ex., right now when I go into my computer it says C: 40 Gb and D: 150 GB, is where a way to make it say C: 190 GB?) I think programs like partition Magic and stuff can only partition 1 hard drive, and can't conjoin 2, but I just wanted to ask to make sure. If there's no way to do it, than I'll just make the 150 GB the one for my good computer and make the 40 GB the one for my old Dell. __________________ My Custom Build: AMD 5600+ 512 MB Sticks of RAM Biostar Motherboard MSI GeForce 8600GT 256MB Planned Upgrades: Blu-Ray Burner 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB Seagate Barracuda 24" LCD Monitor OCZ Titanium XTC 2GB (2 x 1GB)

08-28-2006, 12:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
The_Other_One Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lexington, NC Age: 23 Posts: 12,292	There's a setup called RAID that allows you to do this with a pair of identically sized drives. I don't know of anything that allows you to do what you want... There might be software to do so out there, but it's fairly unpractical seeing as they are so different. I THINK it's possible to make say a 40G partition on your 160G and then combine it with your 40G as a standard RAID though windows, but I've never tried this. __________________ Urban De-Development * Athlon X2 4200 \| 2048M RAM \| 160G HD \| 7600GT * C2D T5250 \| 2048M RAM \| 160G HD \| Intel x3100 * G4 1.33GHz \| 512M RAM \| 40G HD \| Radeon 9200

08-28-2006, 01:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sacrinyellow5 Platinum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 915	This might help... I was wondering the same thing a while ago and found this. Maybe it will help you out! Info came from Wikipedia Concatenation (JBOD) Although a concatenation of disks (also called JBOD, or "Just a Bunch of Disks") is not one of the numbered RAID levels, it is a popular method for combining multiple physical disk drives into a single virtual one. As the name implies, disks are merely concatenated together, end to beginning, so they appear to be a single large disk. In this sense, concatenation is akin to the reverse of partitioning. Whereas partitioning takes one physical drive and creates two or more logical drives, JBOD uses two or more physical drives to create one logical drive. In that it consists of an Array of Independent Disks (no redundancy), it can be thought of as a distant relation to RAID. JBOD is sometimes used to turn several odd-sized drives into one useful drive. Therefore, JBOD could use a 3 GB, 15 GB, 5.5 GB, and 12 GB drive to combine into a logical drive at 35.5 GB, which is often more useful than the individual drives separately. JBOD is similar to the widely used Logical Volume Manager (LVM) and Logical Storage Manager (LSM) in UNIX and UNIX-based operating systems (OS). JBOD is useful for OSs which do not support LVM/LSM (like MS-Windows, although Windows 2003 Server, Windows XP Pro, and Windows 2000 support software JBOD, known as spanning dynamic disks). The difference between JBOD and LVM/LSM is that the address remapping between the logical address of the concatenated device and the physical address of the disc is done by the RAID hardware instead of the OS kernel as it is LVM/LSM. One advantage JBOD has over RAID 0 is in the case of drive failure. Whereas in RAID 0, failure of a single drive will usually result in the loss of all data in the array, in a JBOD array only the data on the affected drive is lost, and the data on surviving drives will remain readable. However, JBOD does not carry the performance benefits which are associated with RAID 0. Note: Some Raid cards (Ex. 3ware) use JBOD to refer to configuring drives without raid features including concatenation. Each drive shows up separately in the OS. Note: Many Linux distributions refer to JBOD as "linear mode" or "append mode." The Mac OS 10.4 implementation - called a "Concatenated Disk Set" - does NOT leave the user with any usable data on the remaining drives if one drive fails in a "Concatenated Disk Set," although the disks do have the write performance documented in the illustration above. __________________ Harvey Pekar** "Ordinary life is pretty complex stuff" ------------------------------------------------- -Tower /AMD 64x2 Dual Core 4400+ (2.3Ghz) 2 GB DDR2/Geforce 8400GS/160 SATA HD/DVD-RW/Vista Home -Laptop /Core 2 Duo T6460 (1.66Ghz)/2 GB DDR2/Intel GMA X3100/250 SATA HD/Vista Premium -Server /P4 2.26 Ghz/1 GB Ram/GeForce FX 5200/80 & 250GB HDx2/DVD-RW/XP -MAC G4(Quick Silver)/768 Mb Rams/40 GB & 2x120GB HD/DVD-RW/OSX Go Cards!

08-28-2006, 01:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
bamhm182 Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado (USA) Age: 15 Posts: 617	okay, thanks, I think I'm just going to put the 150 in my computer, than put the 40 in my Dell and give it to my brother. __________________ My Custom Build: AMD 5600+ 512 MB Sticks of RAM Biostar Motherboard MSI GeForce 8600GT 256MB Planned Upgrades: Blu-Ray Burner 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB Seagate Barracuda 24" LCD Monitor OCZ Titanium XTC 2GB (2 x 1GB)

08-28-2006, 02:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
bamhm182 Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado (USA) Age: 15 Posts: 617	I just have one more question about this, I am trying to get all my music and videos onto the 150 gig, but I have about 75 GB of stuff, I was wondering how I would go about saving all over that stuff, I have a DVD/CD burner, but that'd take A LOT of CDs. Is there a place I can go on the internet that would let me upload about 75 GB onto it, than download it? If I copied all of the files in the C: (the 40 gig) to the empty D: (150 gig) would I be able to set the 150 gig to master and boot it up? __________________ My Custom Build: AMD 5600+ 512 MB Sticks of RAM Biostar Motherboard MSI GeForce 8600GT 256MB Planned Upgrades: Blu-Ray Burner 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB Seagate Barracuda 24" LCD Monitor OCZ Titanium XTC 2GB (2 x 1GB) Last edited by bamhm182; 08-28-2006 at 02:57 AM.

08-28-2006, 12:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,922	If the drives are ide type drives you are stuck with two drives seen. With either a SATA or RAID array you are essentially making a mirror image of one drive with the other to see one partition cover both drives. You can always reassign the drive letter for the second drive to see it as the E, F, G, H, I, etc. if you want the cd or dvd drive seen as the D drive.

08-28-2006, 02:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ku-sama banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Computer Cave. AKA: King Computer Inc. Age: 18 Posts: 5,312	buy a 120GB Harddrive from Best buy and say it didnt work after you transfer the stuff...

08-28-2006, 02:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
bamhm182 Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado (USA) Age: 15 Posts: 617	okay, thanks, but I don't think we have enough money for that right now, I think I might ask my friend if I can borrow his 30 gig mp3 player, than use my 40 gig, and delete about 5 gigs of stuff, either that or delete my isos for my psp, I don't know, somehow I think I'm going to use the 40 gig to move all of the stuff over, so I might be able to compress it really tight. Do you know of a program that can compress about 75 GB of stuff to less than 40? If you don't know one that's that good, what's the best one that you know of? __________________ My Custom Build: AMD 5600+ 512 MB Sticks of RAM Biostar Motherboard MSI GeForce 8600GT 256MB Planned Upgrades: Blu-Ray Burner 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB Seagate Barracuda 24" LCD Monitor OCZ Titanium XTC 2GB (2 x 1GB)

08-28-2006, 04:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
ezefosure Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Age: 19 Posts: 360	if you have a router or even an extra ethernet cable anywhere in your house you could create a temporary network and transfer them like that. Or, you could use aim and transfer them between computers using the file sharing option built into the IMS. However, both methods described above would force you to have the HDDs in two seperate workign computers and powered on. The aim method's speed would also depend on your internet speed, although if you use a router aim would automatically sense your LAN and speed up the transfer a bit. The temporary network solution, however, wouldnt rely on your internet connection, unless you wanted it to.

08-28-2006, 05:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 18,922	If that was a dvd burner you could use about 7 or 8 dvd rewritable disks to drag the files onto those. Which drive was the host drive? the 40gb or the 150gb? If the larger drive was already the boot drive you wouldn't have to do anything. It would now be the single master.

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