Intel Pentium IV & AMD 64

Rambo · 01-23-2005, 03:12 AM

Hello all!

I recently got into computers about 4 months ago, and successfully managed to build my first computer in December

I know alot about AMD Athlon XP, which is what I currently am using, but I want to learn about different kinds. I have heard about Intel Pentium 4 and AMD's 64 bit processing, which has made me curious...

I think I want to build another computer, and this time, using an AMD 64 or Intel Pentium 4.

The only problem is I don't know much about Intel (sockets, etc..) and the other kinds of sockets for AMD CPU's (such as 939 and 754??).

Basically, what I'm asking is for some knowledge about what makes these processors better than the XP's, and why.
Also, what I don't understand is when I view a webpage about AMD 64 CPU's nothing talks about the clock speed (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Socket_754.html). How do i find out what this clock speed is. I see that AMD 64 uses similar numbers like 3000+ or 2800+ or 3200+, as like the Athlon XP does. Is there anyway to find out the clock speed from the numbers?

I have a couple of questions too:

If I was to make make a gaming PC, which would you choose:

Intel Pentium 4

or

AMD 64

I'm kind of swaying towards building computers on the AMD side of technology, simply because I use an AMD Athlon XP right now.

Well, thanks all, and i hope you can help me out with some much needed information.

double-dragon · 01-23-2005, 03:34 AM

Gaming PC - AMD
Video editing etc - P4

Thats about the extent of my knowledge at 2:35am

Kboy · 01-23-2005, 03:51 AM

All the reports that I've read have put AMD ahead of Intel for gaming. I am going to build a new PC pretty soon, and I plan on using AMD largely because you get more power for your dollar.
I really don't know much else about all those new processors, but if you are interested, pick up an issue of MaximumPC. They have a lot of reviews of new processors and stuff like that. I've learned a lot through my subscription.

**Cromewell** · 01-23-2005, 07:49 AM

www.anandtech.com does a good job reviewing hardware.

and as stated before take a A64 for a gaming computer, and a 939 would be better than a 754

sypher822 · 01-23-2005, 08:28 AM

THESE ARE ALL THE 64BIT AMD PROCESSORS AVAILABLE:
with breif specs

2800+ 1.8GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB
3000+ 1.8GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB
3000+ 2.0GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB
3200+ 2.0GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB
3200+ 2.0GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB
3400+ 2.2GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB
3500+ 2.2GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB
3700+ 2.4GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB
3800+ 2.4GHz - Socket 939 - 1600MHz FSB
4000+ 2.4GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB
FX-51 2.2GHz - Socket 940 - 1600MHz FSB
FX-53 2.4GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB
FX-53 2.4GHz - Socket 940 - 1600MHz FSB
FX-55 2.6GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB

**Praetor** · 01-23-2005, 11:08 AM

Quote:

THESE ARE ALL THE 64BIT AMD PROCESSORS AVAILABLE

Whoa that list is far from complete.

Athlon64-2800 Series
ADA2800AEP4AK
ADA2800AEP4AX

Athlon64-3000 Series (I have no idea what the 'K' desginates, im guessing 80ºC)
ADA3000AEP4AP
ADA3000AEP4AX
AMA3000BEX5AP
ADA3000DIK4BI

Athlon64-3200 Series
ADA3200AEP4AX
AMA3200BEX5AR
ADA3200DIK4BI

Athlon64-3400 Series
ADA3400AEP4AX
AMA3400BEX5AP
There is a ADA3400DEX4* chip too but ive not been able to track down the codes (i.e., Sypher has such a chip)

Athlon64-3500 Series
ADA3500DEP4AW
ADA3500DIK4BI

Athlon64-3700 Series
ADA3700AEP5AR
AMA3700BEX5AR

Athlon64-3800 Series
ADA3800DEP4AW

Athlon64-4000 Series
ADA4000DEP5AS

Athlon64-FX Chips (i have no idea what the 'I' desginates, possibly 85ºC)
ADAFX51CEI5?? (I dont know the rev's for the FX51)
ADAFX53CEI5AS
ADAFX53DEI5AS
ADAFX55DEI5AS

Yeah .. and my list is far from complete. A second note, the Athlon64 processors dont have a front-side-bus, they have a hypertransport tunnel. If you are interesting in decoding what the above model numbers mean, have a look at this http://www.hardwarezone.com/guides/a...index.php?pg=2

Rambo · 01-23-2005, 12:45 PM

Right then.

I've done some research and 939 is better than 754, yes? Because socket 939 has more pins, it can do 'dual-mode' with RAM or something like that...?

How much better would a socket 939 be from a 754? Would there be a big performance boost?

Thanks for the information of all those processors Sypher and Praetor (big list!!

)

Quote:

3200+ 2.0GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB

Praetor said that:

Quote:

A second note, the Athlon64 processors dont have a front-side-bus, they have a hypertransport tunnel

But Sypher has in his list - 'FSB'. You say there is no FSB on Athlon 64's.

Thanks,

Rambo.

Bobo · 01-23-2005, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rambo

I've done some research and 939 is better than 754, yes? Because socket 939 has more pins, it can do 'dual-mode' with RAM or something like that...?

Yes, 939 is better than 754, and it can do dual-channel RAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rambo

But Sypher has in his list - 'FSB'. You say there is no FSB on Athlon 64's.

Without going too in depth, FSB=HTT

robina_80 · 01-23-2005, 02:56 PM

go for AMD there cheap on the whole and there just or more faster than intel

Bobo · 01-23-2005, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robina_80

go for AMD there cheap on the whole

Not necessarily at all, look at the FX series, the a64 3700, 3800, and 4000

Granted, those are a lot better than p4s, but also more expensive

01-23-2005, 03:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rambo Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,829	Intel Pentium IV & AMD 64 Hello all! I recently got into computers about 4 months ago, and successfully managed to build my first computer in December I know alot about AMD Athlon XP, which is what I currently am using, but I want to learn about different kinds. I have heard about Intel Pentium 4 and AMD's 64 bit processing, which has made me curious... I think I want to build another computer, and this time, using an AMD 64 or Intel Pentium 4. The only problem is I don't know much about Intel (sockets, etc..) and the other kinds of sockets for AMD CPU's (such as 939 and 754??). Basically, what I'm asking is for some knowledge about what makes these processors better than the XP's, and why. Also, what I don't understand is when I view a webpage about AMD 64 CPU's nothing talks about the clock speed (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Socket_754.html). How do i find out what this clock speed is. I see that AMD 64 uses similar numbers like 3000+ or 2800+ or 3200+, as like the Athlon XP does. Is there anyway to find out the clock speed from the numbers? I have a couple of questions too: If I was to make make a gaming PC, which would you choose: Intel Pentium 4 or AMD 64 I'm kind of swaying towards building computers on the AMD side of technology, simply because I use an AMD Athlon XP right now. Well, thanks all, and i hope you can help me out with some much needed information. __________________ "75% of all statistics are made up, including this one. 62.481% of people who read that believe it is true. *And if you're one of the 37.519% who don't, copy and paste this into your signature." -* tlarkin, Cromewell, and Rambo. Intel E6300 Conroe @ 2.8 Ghz GigaByte GA 965P DS3 LGA 775 Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 256MB GeIL 2 x GX22 DDR2 Kit = 4GB RAM Antec TruePower 2.0 TP-II 550 Watt

01-23-2005, 03:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
double-dragon Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sheffield, UK Age: 21 Posts: 308	Gaming PC - AMD Video editing etc - P4 Thats about the extent of my knowledge at 2:35am __________________ The final swing is not a drill; it's how many people I can kill!!

01-23-2005, 03:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kboy Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Knoxville Age: 19 Posts: 124	All the reports that I've read have put AMD ahead of Intel for gaming. I am going to build a new PC pretty soon, and I plan on using AMD largely because you get more power for your dollar. I really don't know much else about all those new processors, but if you are interested, pick up an issue of MaximumPC. They have a lot of reviews of new processors and stuff like that. I've learned a lot through my subscription. __________________ And on the eighth day God created the PC, and it was not so good. :)

01-23-2005, 07:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cromewell Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Age: 24 Posts: 10,021	www.anandtech.com does a good job reviewing hardware. and as stated before take a A64 for a gaming computer, and a 939 would be better than a 754 __________________ You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til ya understand who's in ruttin' command here. I must plug a couple comics because they are good :D: www.ctrlaltdel-online.com www.userfriendly.org

01-23-2005, 08:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
sypher822 Bronze Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 22 Posts: 98	THESE ARE ALL THE 64BIT AMD PROCESSORS AVAILABLE: with breif specs 2800+ 1.8GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB 3000+ 1.8GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB 3000+ 2.0GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB 3200+ 2.0GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB 3200+ 2.0GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB 3400+ 2.2GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB 3500+ 2.2GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB 3700+ 2.4GHz - Socket 754 - 1600MHz FSB 3800+ 2.4GHz - Socket 939 - 1600MHz FSB 4000+ 2.4GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB FX-51 2.2GHz - Socket 940 - 1600MHz FSB FX-53 2.4GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB FX-53 2.4GHz - Socket 940 - 1600MHz FSB FX-55 2.6GHz - Socket 939 - 2000MHz FSB __________________ :eek: Sypher822 ---------------- AMD Athlon 64 3400+ @ 2.2GHz ASUS A8V Deluxe Mobo 1536MB PC3200 Kingston RAM (3x512) ATI All-In-Wonder 9600XT 128MB (2x) WD 200GB 7200 SATA HDD

01-23-2005, 02:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
robina_80 Diamond Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: LONDON Age: 24 Posts: 1,910	go for AMD there cheap on the whole and there just or more faster than intel

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