Trouble installing DVD drive.

mrgeorgedude · 03-07-2007, 01:26 AM

Out of all the computers ive put together, ive never been so stumped. My sister got a DVD burner for her Compaq comp and it had a CD burner in it before. I opened the thing up and put the new drive in place of the old one, but for some reason its not getting power or something.

The weird thing is that when the IDE cable is NOT plugged in to the computer, the drive does get power. Both drives are doing this too so im confused. I cant even get the computer back to the way it was...

To add on to the problems, when i hit the power buttton on the computer, it doesnt show up on the monitor. The LED lights on the computer are going and its obviously running fine, but no monitor....

So is there something im doing terribly wrong?

PC eye · 03-07-2007, 01:44 AM

Something is pulling power to ground like the board itself seeing a fault. You most likely had something let go since everything uses a standard one way fit. Did you reverse the ide cable? That would stop the drive from working while the system should start otherwise. Nothing being seen? Do you hear any multiple audio beeps?

mrgeorgedude · 03-07-2007, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

Something is pulling power to ground like the board itself seeing a fault. You most likely had something let go since everything uses a standard one way fit. Did you reverse the ide cable? That would stop the drive from working while the system should start otherwise. Nothing being seen? Do you hear any multiple audio beeps?

Im a little confused. I am pretty sure the IDE cable is in right. It fits in on the mobo towards the bottom and the part that has 2 plugs on one end of the cable is plugged in to the drive (hope that made sense)...would jumpers or anything like that be able to effect anything?

StrangleHold · 03-07-2007, 05:25 AM

Yea you need to set the jumper the same as it is was the cd burner/master or slave

PC eye · 03-07-2007, 05:58 AM

In some cases where you have two hard drives on the primary, mostly 98 saw that more, you would have to set both or the slave to the cable select position. Some prebuilt systems like eMachines especially the single hard drive goes in set to CS there. For optical it's a must to have it set to master(MA) if on the end of the cable or slave(SA or SL) if plugged into the middle connector. On some ide ribbon cables the locking tab is not seen.

You have to go strictly by the number one #1 pin/wire that has the red or white stripe on one side of the cable. If that was switched the drive itself would see problems like the disk tray suddenly coming out. That would be a little of a start at first but more of an annoyance without causing a major headache. The possibility of a fault being seen with the supply now not providing enough power while the lights still come on is another thought before assuming board or cpu failure there. Recheck all power connections.

mrgeorgedude · 03-07-2007, 06:47 AM

I should probly also mention a detail i left out before...i dropped one of the screws that holds the DVD player in the case, and it went into the processors fan thing...so i took the whole thing off, processsor and all.

While examining it, I noticed some of the prongs got bent somehow on the processor, so i bent them back into position and it felt like it went back onto position. But whoever asembled it in the first place dumped too much of that goo (coolant stuff i think) and it was touching the back of the processors chip...i dont know how long its been like that either.

The drive that came with the computer had jumpers set to cable select...i have no idea if im supposed to move the new one into there, but trying either way i dont get power on the drive.

Thanks for the help..my dad and sister have been getting angry at me for all this so i really hope i get it solved..

...i cant help but stress about all of this.

PC eye · 03-07-2007, 08:52 AM

If you have never taken a cpu and heat sink off before this you are in big... now! The "goo" you are talking about there is the thermal compound needed for transferring heat off of the cpu to the heat sink to keep the cpu from cooking! The "pins" handled improperly may have seen static off of your hand go into the cpu there. I hope you have a spare case ready. You'll need it!

StrangleHold · 03-07-2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrgeorgedude

I should probly also mention a detail i left out before...i dropped one of the screws that holds the DVD player in the case, and it went into the processors fan thing...so i took the whole thing off, processsor and all.

While examining it, I noticed some of the prongs got bent somehow on the processor, so i bent them back into position and it felt like it went back onto position. But whoever asembled it in the first place dumped too much of that goo (coolant stuff i think) and it was touching the back of the processors chip...i dont know how long its been like that either.

The drive that came with the computer had jumpers set to cable select...i have no idea if im supposed to move the new one into there, but trying either way i dont get power on the drive.

Thanks for the help..my dad and sister have been getting angry at me for all this so i really hope i get it solved..

...i cant help but stress about all of this.

The CPU should be fine if no pins broke and it went in fine, I have installed hundreds of CPUs and never shorted one out touching one

, you do need to replace the compound! You need to set it to master or slave, if theres another drive on the same cable just make sure one is master and one is slave, cable select is buggie at best!

PC eye · 03-08-2007, 12:29 AM

It's "quite common" to see prebuilt systems with drive jumpers set to the cable select position.

Improper handling of any cpu can result in damaging it being a sensitive component to begin with. When going to straighten out the pins what did you use? Using anything conductive like a pair of metal pliers would be ill advised there since that could short across multiple pins.

For reinstalling the thermal compund you will need a good one like Artic Silver 5 and have to run the system and shutdown after so many hours to see the bonding process between the cpu and the heat sink begin there. With stock coolers you would need the replacement for the thermal pad in some cases as well. You put about a raisin sized bead of compound at the center of the cpu after cleaning all of the old paste off in a stirring motion with the tip of the applicator tube to see the silver mix back in with the rest of the compound.

Then simply lower the hsf down evenly to it spread the thin layer needed. Run the system a good 3 to 4hrs. and then shutdown for several like an overnight period of time. Hopefully the cpu is still good.

mrgeorgedude · 03-08-2007, 12:52 AM

I just used my long fingernails to push them back into position. Could the problem im seeing be the CPU anyways? Like would it make sense cuz im pretty sure its working fine. I really hope i didnt break it cuz then id have to replace it and i really dont want to have to pay for trying to help out my sister. Is this type of thing under a warranty?

03-07-2007, 01:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
mrgeorgedude Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Age: 17 Posts: 702	Trouble installing DVD drive. Out of all the computers ive put together, ive never been so stumped. My sister got a DVD burner for her Compaq comp and it had a CD burner in it before. I opened the thing up and put the new drive in place of the old one, but for some reason its not getting power or something. The weird thing is that when the IDE cable is NOT plugged in to the computer, the drive does get power. Both drives are doing this too so im confused. I cant even get the computer back to the way it was... To add on to the problems, when i hit the power buttton on the computer, it doesnt show up on the monitor. The LED lights on the computer are going and its obviously running fine, but no monitor.... So is there something im doing terribly wrong? __________________ MOBO : Biostar Tforce4 6100-939 CPU : AMD athlon 3500+ @ 2.5ghz RAM : 1gb Mem (512 by 512mb Corsair) CASE : Xion II (with cool blue cathode lights inside) HDD : 120gb and 80gb...both at 7200rpm GPU : eVGA geforce 7600GT

03-07-2007, 05:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
StrangleHold Diamond Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a realm of unknown Wonders Posts: 7,084	Yea you need to set the jumper the same as it is was the cd burner/master or slave __________________ NZXT Apollo Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Gigabyte GA MA770 DS3 G Skill DDR2 800 4gb PNY XLR8 8800GT Spinpoint F1 500gb. Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

03-07-2007, 06:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
mrgeorgedude Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Age: 17 Posts: 702	I should probly also mention a detail i left out before...i dropped one of the screws that holds the DVD player in the case, and it went into the processors fan thing...so i took the whole thing off, processsor and all. While examining it, I noticed some of the prongs got bent somehow on the processor, so i bent them back into position and it felt like it went back onto position. But whoever asembled it in the first place dumped too much of that goo (coolant stuff i think) and it was touching the back of the processors chip...i dont know how long its been like that either. The drive that came with the computer had jumpers set to cable select...i have no idea if im supposed to move the new one into there, but trying either way i dont get power on the drive. Thanks for the help..my dad and sister have been getting angry at me for all this so i really hope i get it solved.. ...i cant help but stress about all of this. __________________ MOBO : Biostar Tforce4 6100-939 CPU : AMD athlon 3500+ @ 2.5ghz RAM : 1gb Mem (512 by 512mb Corsair) CASE : Xion II (with cool blue cathode lights inside) HDD : 120gb and 80gb...both at 7200rpm GPU : eVGA geforce 7600GT

03-08-2007, 12:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
mrgeorgedude Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Age: 17 Posts: 702	I just used my long fingernails to push them back into position. Could the problem im seeing be the CPU anyways? Like would it make sense cuz im pretty sure its working fine. I really hope i didnt break it cuz then id have to replace it and i really dont want to have to pay for trying to help out my sister. Is this type of thing under a warranty? __________________ MOBO : Biostar Tforce4 6100-939 CPU : AMD athlon 3500+ @ 2.5ghz RAM : 1gb Mem (512 by 512mb Corsair) CASE : Xion II (with cool blue cathode lights inside) HDD : 120gb and 80gb...both at 7200rpm GPU : eVGA geforce 7600GT

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03-07-2007, 01:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,226	Something is pulling power to ground like the board itself seeing a fault. You most likely had something let go since everything uses a standard one way fit. Did you reverse the ide cable? That would stop the drive from working while the system should start otherwise. Nothing being seen? Do you hear any multiple audio beeps?

03-07-2007, 05:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,226	In some cases where you have two hard drives on the primary, mostly 98 saw that more, you would have to set both or the slave to the cable select position. Some prebuilt systems like eMachines especially the single hard drive goes in set to CS there. For optical it's a must to have it set to master(MA) if on the end of the cable or slave(SA or SL) if plugged into the middle connector. On some ide ribbon cables the locking tab is not seen. You have to go strictly by the number one #1 pin/wire that has the red or white stripe on one side of the cable. If that was switched the drive itself would see problems like the disk tray suddenly coming out. That would be a little of a start at first but more of an annoyance without causing a major headache. The possibility of a fault being seen with the supply now not providing enough power while the lights still come on is another thought before assuming board or cpu failure there. Recheck all power connections.

03-07-2007, 08:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,226	If you have never taken a cpu and heat sink off before this you are in big... now! The "goo" you are talking about there is the thermal compound needed for transferring heat off of the cpu to the heat sink to keep the cpu from cooking! The "pins" handled improperly may have seen static off of your hand go into the cpu there. I hope you have a spare case ready. You'll need it!

03-08-2007, 12:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 19,226	It's "quite common" to see prebuilt systems with drive jumpers set to the cable select position. Improper handling of any cpu can result in damaging it being a sensitive component to begin with. When going to straighten out the pins what did you use? Using anything conductive like a pair of metal pliers would be ill advised there since that could short across multiple pins. For reinstalling the thermal compund you will need a good one like Artic Silver 5 and have to run the system and shutdown after so many hours to see the bonding process between the cpu and the heat sink begin there. With stock coolers you would need the replacement for the thermal pad in some cases as well. You put about a raisin sized bead of compound at the center of the cpu after cleaning all of the old paste off in a stirring motion with the tip of the applicator tube to see the silver mix back in with the rest of the compound. Then simply lower the hsf down evenly to it spread the thin layer needed. Run the system a good 3 to 4hrs. and then shutdown for several like an overnight period of time. Hopefully the cpu is still good.

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