Another question about processors

wildguy2 · 02-03-2005, 11:15 PM

I am trying to beef up my dell desktop and in the process of putting in new ram and a bigger processor. I have got the ram part figured out and ordered and am now in the process of ordering a bigger processor. My machine has a 1.8Ghz intel P4 and the new one I am ordering is a Intel 3.0Ghz P4 800 Mhz will this work with my machine? Or do I have to modify anything to make this work, and if it will work will my computer cooling fan be strong enough or does this have to be upgraded as well. The new processor comes with a cooling fan. Edited to add: The new processor is a prescott.

Below are the specs taking from my machine

CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1

Name Intel Pentium 4
Code Name Northwood
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz
Family / Model / Stepping F 2 7
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 9
Package mPGA-478
Core Stepping C1
Technology 0.13 µ
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
CPU Clock Speed 1794.2 MHz
Clock multiplier x 18.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 99.7 MHz
Bus Speed 398.7 MHz
L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 1794.2 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 256 bits

Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
Motherboard model 07W080, A00
BIOS vendor Mitac International
BIOS revision A01
BIOS release date 12/17/2002
Chipset Intel i845GL rev. B1
Southbridge Intel 82801DB (ICH4) rev. 2

Memory
DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM
DRAM Size 256 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 132.9 MHz
FSB

RAM 3:4
CAS# Latency 2.5 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge 3 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 6 clocks
DRAM Idle Timer 16 clocks
# of memory modules 1
Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC2100 - 256 MBytes

Software
Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX version 9.0c

Bobo · 02-04-2005, 12:14 AM

You should not get a Prescott, they run sooooo hot....

Or get it, it doesnt matter that much, as long as you are positive your cooling is good.

No OCing, though

Why do you need a new CPU? Just get more RAM to start with, and if it is still too slow, then upgrade the CPU

Kboy · 02-04-2005, 12:15 AM

I dont know much about the new P4s, but i was pretty sure the Prescott needs a different kind of m-board than the regular P4s. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though, I wanna know.

Yeti · 02-04-2005, 12:16 AM

Well, a 1.2 GHz jump would be nice, but you're really going to need more RAM to take advantage of the CPU speed. Also, like Bobo said, you'll need some good cooling for a Prescott. To answer your question though, yeah it should work.

Yeti · 02-04-2005, 12:21 AM

Quote:

I dont know much about the new P4s, but i was pretty sure the Prescott needs a different kind of m-board than the regular P4s. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though, I wanna know.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that. You'll need a board with an 865 chipset to run anything other than the 3.0A GHz (without hyperthreading)

joelkyr · 02-04-2005, 12:22 AM

is that a 2350 DELL?

joelkyr · 02-04-2005, 12:32 AM

According to the info you have given, your PC can only handle up to 2.5 or 2.8ghz (so prescott is out of the question) i gig of ram (2 x 512) DDR266, honestly its not worth the upgrade. Get a new MOBO that can handle your pressy.

wildguy2 · 02-04-2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by joelkyr

is that a 2350 DELL?

Yes it's a 2350. About as basic as they come, with no frills.

wildguy2 · 02-04-2005, 04:47 AM

What I am trying to do with this system is make it fast enough to run games. At the present, it will run but very choppy. I am planning on increasing the ram, but I thought that if I increased the ram to it's max that the processor wouldn't handle it, am I correct? I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks on ram if I can't get all it can give due to the processor. Would jumping from my current 1.8Ghz to a 2+ Ghz make a difference. Any idea roughly how much of a beef up I would need to runs games. If anyone has tried running games such as the Matrix or GTA 3 you know what I mean when I say that with my current config. my machine sounds like it's going to explode.

Need to do something...as of right now all it's really good for is the internet, and basic games.

**Praetor** · 02-04-2005, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Edited to add: The new processor is a prescott.

You sure? It says Northwood.

Quote:

You should not get a Prescott, they run sooooo hot....

They do?

02-03-2005, 11:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
wildguy2 Bronze Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 27	Another question about processors I am trying to beef up my dell desktop and in the process of putting in new ram and a bigger processor. I have got the ram part figured out and ordered and am now in the process of ordering a bigger processor. My machine has a 1.8Ghz intel P4 and the new one I am ordering is a Intel 3.0Ghz P4 800 Mhz will this work with my machine? Or do I have to modify anything to make this work, and if it will work will my computer cooling fan be strong enough or does this have to be upgraded as well. The new processor comes with a cooling fan. Edited to add: The new processor is a prescott. Below are the specs taking from my machine CPU(s) Number of CPUs 1 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code Name Northwood Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz Family / Model / Stepping F 2 7 Extended Family / Model 0 0 Brand ID 9 Package mPGA-478 Core Stepping C1 Technology 0.13 µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 CPU Clock Speed 1794.2 MHz Clock multiplier x 18.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 99.7 MHz Bus Speed 398.7 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 1794.2 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits Mainboard and chipset Motherboard manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation Motherboard model 07W080, A00 BIOS vendor Mitac International BIOS revision A01 BIOS release date 12/17/2002 Chipset Intel i845GL rev. B1 Southbridge Intel 82801DB (ICH4) rev. 2 Memory DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM DRAM Size 256 MBytes DRAM Frequency 132.9 MHz FSBRAM 3:4 CAS# Latency 2.5 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 6 clocks DRAM Idle Timer 16 clocks # of memory modules 1 Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC2100 - 256 MBytes Software Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600) DirectX version 9.0c Last edited by wildguy2; 02-03-2005 at 11:21 PM.

02-04-2005, 12:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kboy Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Knoxville Age: 19 Posts: 124	I dont know much about the new P4s, but i was pretty sure the Prescott needs a different kind of m-board than the regular P4s. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though, I wanna know. __________________ And on the eighth day God created the PC, and it was not so good. :)

02-04-2005, 12:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
joelkyr Gold Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 344	is that a 2350 DELL? __________________ MOBO: ASUS P4C800E DELUXE CPU: P4 3.4HT @ 3.918ghz COOLING: Vapochill PE / MCW20-P /MCW50 /MCP650/ BIX RAM: TWINX1024-4400C25 CORSAIR HDD: MAXTOR 120GB/8MB OS: XP PRO SC: TURTLE BEACH SANTA CRUZ 5.1 PSU: OCZ Modstream 520W

02-04-2005, 12:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
joelkyr Gold Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 344	According to the info you have given, your PC can only handle up to 2.5 or 2.8ghz (so prescott is out of the question) i gig of ram (2 x 512) DDR266, honestly its not worth the upgrade. Get a new MOBO that can handle your pressy. __________________ MOBO: ASUS P4C800E DELUXE CPU: P4 3.4HT @ 3.918ghz COOLING: Vapochill PE / MCW20-P /MCW50 /MCP650/ BIX RAM: TWINX1024-4400C25 CORSAIR HDD: MAXTOR 120GB/8MB OS: XP PRO SC: TURTLE BEACH SANTA CRUZ 5.1 PSU: OCZ Modstream 520W

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02-04-2005, 12:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bobo banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pittsburgh Age: 16 Posts: 6,623	You should not get a Prescott, they run sooooo hot.... Or get it, it doesnt matter that much, as long as you are positive your cooling is good. No OCing, though Why do you need a new CPU? Just get more RAM to start with, and if it is still too slow, then upgrade the CPU

02-04-2005, 12:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
Yeti VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,273	Well, a 1.2 GHz jump would be nice, but you're really going to need more RAM to take advantage of the CPU speed. Also, like Bobo said, you'll need some good cooling for a Prescott. To answer your question though, yeah it should work.

02-04-2005, 04:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
wildguy2 Bronze Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 27	What I am trying to do with this system is make it fast enough to run games. At the present, it will run but very choppy. I am planning on increasing the ram, but I thought that if I increased the ram to it's max that the processor wouldn't handle it, am I correct? I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks on ram if I can't get all it can give due to the processor. Would jumping from my current 1.8Ghz to a 2+ Ghz make a difference. Any idea roughly how much of a beef up I would need to runs games. If anyone has tried running games such as the Matrix or GTA 3 you know what I mean when I say that with my current config. my machine sounds like it's going to explode. Need to do something...as of right now all it's really good for is the internet, and basic games.