roadkillbob

thats fine if people have different ideas then me its a free country..but when the anti gun fringe tries to take away my guns or restrict them in the hands of..LAW ABIDING CITIZENS..then that no longer is an idea its an action against me and that is what I have a problem with...

4W4K3

What's so special about guns? The government tells you waht you can and can't have everyday, and for the most part you comply. Just about EVERY law is an "action against you", telling you what you can and can't do. I'm actually surprised at the things people think are ordinary and acceptable restrictions, and what others see as an outrageous/impractical law.

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PohTayToez

A little off topic of the thread, but I find this chart hard to believe. Maybe I should research it more before stating this, but since when do birth rates decrease over time? Population is constantly growing everywhere. Also, it shows that Japanese population is at a standstill right now, which doesn't seem right.

Anyway, thats my two cents.

4W4K3

I think the graph is a little confusing. That's births and deaths *per thousand*, NOT overall. I'm pretty sure the overall population can grow, while the birth rate does not *per thousand*, it simply grows slower if the birth rate *per thousand* is diminishing.

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Once again I will have to say this. That’s because Japanese believe that suicide is honorable. If a student doesn’t make it into Tokyo University it is not look down on if he/she were to commit suicide. To them that is the only way to regain there honor. Our two cultures are vary diffrent. I only know this b/c I took an Asian humanitys class.

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roadkillbob

well guns are part of our history, try reading the second amendment, it is a constitutional right..something the government has tried to manipulate..yes the government makes plenty of useless laws, but guns are a consitutional right..not just a law..the 1st amendment is freedom of speech, what would you do if the government said this forum is not liked and the government or just other people started making up laws that would make it illegal to chat here..would you have something to say about it..im sure you would...if you stand up for only what you like , when they come for you no one else will be around....

4W4K3

Well believe it or not I'm not paranoid of the government like some people are. The people hold the power, and the people make the decisions.

A "constitutional right" is only so because we as a people decide to agree with it. We can remove and edit, or completely abandon, our current amendments or the entire "rights" idea, if we wanted to.

If you've not taken a gun safety course, along with range training and written test that certifies you, I'd say you DO NOT have the right to bear arms. That doesn't exactly hold true to the 2nd amendment...but I don't really care.

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Praetor

Stay on topic. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread (aka help), then move-along.

Thats not really proof you know Thats just a bunch of [potential] facts that string together to form a plausable inference.

1. Thats what you believe versus what the Japanese believe (although it was posted in a blunt de-facto manner which really, it's not that blunt ... in Japan, if you're on track to goto Tokyo Univeristy and you dont make it in -- it's yer own damn fault lol, their's an OBSCENE amount of preparory work that is involved)
2. Perhaps its not just an education thing too, but a national-pride thing (not to be mistaken for arrogance tho), like I mean, for me, there's like two universities I would goto in the world for the stuff I'm studying ... one of which I'm going to, the other I hope to score a Masters scholarship (otherwise I'm not going, too damn expensive lol). So as far as *I* am concerned? There's just two options, plain and simple... and yes I recognize there are tons of kickass schools out there.

Regarding Japan as a whole.... I think it's pretty fair to say that "you gotta be Japanese to understand the Japanese" -- the societal psyche is very different from the classical westerner: values are drastically different, repercussions are dreastically different.

Again that's not a proof: thats a string of [potential] facts strung together next to a plausible outcome.


Well realistically (cough Praetor's regmine), there'd be a license, renewable each year. If you get your license renewed, you can do whatever the crap you want (of course you kill someone etc, then you in trouble). The license is renewable based on IQ. nuff said.

Actually, a dictatorship is "an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, or other social and political factors within the state."

In a dictatorship, if the dictator doesnt want people to have guns, then he-she can take them away. But because guns are taken away, doesnt make it a dictactorship.

Nope.

Actualll thats the root of the matter:
- We recognize that guns are, in some way, related to crime. Whether they play a central role or not, i dont care
- The media (either rightly or wrongly) has made guns "the one factor that stands between us and civil peace"
- People buy into that
- Laws get made
Now assuming that the laws are in place, as law-abiding citizens, you either
- Follow the law and stfu or
- You complain to congressman/congresswoman
Why only those options?
- Because democracy is based on the principle of "many".... and apparently, many people wanted that law to be passed and not-so-many didnt want it



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Canada did not have serious gun control until the late 1970s. The homicide rate in Canada has been stable or declining since (e.g., the homicide rate has declined 40% from 1991-2004) while several other categories of crime, such as violent crime, increased until the 1990s and then began to decline.

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Again... not proof. That's just a series of facts (i dont know if they are facts, ill give you that benifit) and a plasible inference.

That bottom line is society is both too large and too fluid to be able to draw absolute conclusions like "gun laws [significantly] reduce crime" -- in ITspeak, it would be akin to saying "copy protection [significantly] reduces piracy" -- which, i can tell you right now, is a load of crap.

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