More FSB or more GHz ?

LE0O37 · 05-22-2007, 08:51 AM

Hey should I pay $10 more and get the one with the Heatsink and Fan included ?
The other one is the exact same one but OEM & without a cooling device.

Will that stock Cooling device be enough ? I'm not a gamer...

Let me know, ty

Dual_Corex2 · 05-22-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LE0O37

Hey should I pay $10 more and get the one with the Heatsink and Fan included ?
The other one is the exact same one but OEM & without a cooling device.

Will that stock Cooling device be enough ? I'm not a gamer...

Let me know, ty

Yes, stock cooling will be fine.

[-0MEGA-] · 05-22-2007, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LE0O37

Hey should I pay $10 more and get the one with the Heatsink and Fan included ?
The other one is the exact same one but OEM & without a cooling device.

Will that stock Cooling device be enough ? I'm not a gamer...

Let me know, ty

If you're going to buy an aftermarket cooler, then theres no point in buying the retail version. But if you arent going to, then get the retail.

Vampiric Rouge · 05-22-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPU101

Cache
Cache is essentially, a chunk of very high speed memory available exclusively to the processor for storing very commonly accessed data. When the CPU is looking for an instruction/data and it is found in the cache, that is known as a cache hit. There are several types of cache:

* L1 Data and L1 Trace (collectively known as L1), this type of cache is usually quite small (small on AMD processors and tiny on Intel) and is the first place the CPU looks for information. Due to its small size and the variance of instructions/data available, cache hits in L1 are not a performance bottleneck
* L2 cache is the most marketed cache and is big enough to actually influence the performance of the processor with budget processors cheaping out on the amount of L2 cache available. Although "the more L2 cache available, the better", also note that the more cache they cram onto a processor, the slower and less efficient it becomes and the more the cache becomes dependent on optimizations designed to improve cache hits
* L3 cache is essentially, another type of L2 (but slower still) and is reserved for storing a (relative) whack of data somewhat close to the CPU. L3 cache was available only on select models of the Intel Pentium4 Extreme Edition and has since been discontinued in favor of a larger L2 cache.

Did you read CPU101?

LE0O37 · 05-22-2007, 10:28 PM

After alot of research on building a DUAL CORE Budget PC...........
THIS is my PICK and what I came up with so far.
Please make any suggestions on changes within the same price......
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CPU $69.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail
Specs
Brand AMD
Processors Type Desktop
Series Athlon 64 X2
Model ADO3600DDBOX
CPU Socket Type
CPU Socket Type Socket AM2
Tech Spec
Core Brisbane
Multi-Core Dual-Core
Name Athlon 64 X2 3600+
Operating Frequency 1.9GHz
HT 2000MHz
L1 Cache 128KB+128KB
L2 Cache 2 x 512KB
Manufacturing Tech 65 nm
64 bit Support Yes
Hyper-Transport Support Yes
Virtualization Technology Support Yes
Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional
Voltage 1.25/1.35V
Cooling Device Heatsink and Fan included
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

MOBO $44.

Foxconn MCP61VM2MA-RS2H Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Specs
Brand Foxconn
Model MCP61VM2MA-RS2H
Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type Socket AM2
CPU Type Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64
FSB 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s)
Chipsets
North Bridge NVIDIA GeForce 6100
Memory
Number of Memory Slots 4×240pin
Memory Standard DDR2 800
Maximum Memory Supported 4GB
Dual Channel Supported Yes
Expansion Slots
AGP Slots None
PCI Express x16 1x PCI Express x16 (signals at x1)
PCI Express x1 1
PCI Slots 2
Storage Devices
PATA 1 x ATA100 up to 2 Devices
SATA 3Gb/s 2
SATA RAID 0/1
Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6100
Onboard Audio
Audio Chipset Realtek ALC861
Audio Channels 6 Channels
Onboard LAN
LAN Chipset Realtek PHY
Max LAN Speed 10/100Mbps
Rear Panel Ports
PS/2 2
COM 1
LPT 1
Video Ports D-Sub
USB 4 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports 3 Ports
Onboard USB
Onboard USB 2 x USB 2.0 headers support 4 ports
Physical Spec
Form Factor Micro ATX
Dimensions 9.6" x 9.6"
Features
Power Pin 24 Pin
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BRB w/ the Memmory Pick.

[-0MEGA-] · 05-23-2007, 03:04 AM

Thats a decent combo, if your on a tight budget. It should perform pretty well, giving you also have enough RAM and other components.

LE0O37 · 05-23-2007, 03:49 AM

Which RAM should I pick, you see my CPU and MOBO above ?

GSkill DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-15 $86
A-Data DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-18 $86
WINTEC AMPX DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-15 $86
OCZ DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 4 Timing 4-4-4-15 $90
XMS DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-12 $93

Now these below are slightly different and cheaper

WINTEC DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Cas Latency 5 Timing not listed $63
Corsair ValueSelect DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Cas Latency 5 Timing not listed $70
Super Talent DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Cas Latency 5 Timing not listed $81

Is there a big difference from 667 to 800 ?
Is there a big difference from PC2 5300 to 6400 ?

What is a better timing,a lower number like 4-4-4-15 is better than 5-5-5-15?
Does it really make a difference ?

Let me know, with this I will Decide
THANKS

LE0O37 · 05-23-2007, 08:47 PM

My current pc is P4 1.7 GHz and runs on 256 RAM.
Very outdated from the late 90's.

spearball · 05-23-2007, 08:50 PM

I would pick the OCZ.

chupacabra · 05-23-2007, 08:55 PM

Either way the g.skill or the ocz as said above

05-22-2007, 10:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
LE0O37 Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 268	My Pick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After alot of research on building a DUAL CORE Budget PC........... THIS is my PICK and what I came up with so far. Please make any suggestions on changes within the same price...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CPU $69. AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail Specs Brand AMD Processors Type Desktop Series Athlon 64 X2 Model ADO3600DDBOX CPU Socket Type CPU Socket Type Socket AM2 Tech Spec Core Brisbane Multi-Core Dual-Core Name Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Operating Frequency 1.9GHz HT 2000MHz L1 Cache 128KB+128KB L2 Cache 2 x 512KB Manufacturing Tech 65 nm 64 bit Support Yes Hyper-Transport Support Yes Virtualization Technology Support Yes Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional Voltage 1.25/1.35V Cooling Device Heatsink and Fan included -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MOBO $44. Foxconn MCP61VM2MA-RS2H Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail Specs Brand Foxconn Model MCP61VM2MA-RS2H Supported CPU CPU Socket Type Socket AM2 CPU Type Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 FSB 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s) Chipsets North Bridge NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Memory Number of Memory Slots 4×240pin Memory Standard DDR2 800 Maximum Memory Supported 4GB Dual Channel Supported Yes Expansion Slots AGP Slots None PCI Express x16 1x PCI Express x16 (signals at x1) PCI Express x1 1 PCI Slots 2 Storage Devices PATA 1 x ATA100 up to 2 Devices SATA 3Gb/s 2 SATA RAID 0/1 Onboard Video Onboard Video Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Onboard Audio Audio Chipset Realtek ALC861 Audio Channels 6 Channels Onboard LAN LAN Chipset Realtek PHY Max LAN Speed 10/100Mbps Rear Panel Ports PS/2 2 COM 1 LPT 1 Video Ports D-Sub USB 4 x USB 2.0 Audio Ports 3 Ports Onboard USB Onboard USB 2 x USB 2.0 headers support 4 ports Physical Spec Form Factor Micro ATX Dimensions 9.6" x 9.6" Features Power Pin 24 Pin -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BRB w/ the Memmory Pick.

05-23-2007, 03:04 AM	#26 (permalink)
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05-23-2007, 08:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
chupacabra Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,902	Either way the g.skill or the ocz as said above __________________ My Rig e7200 @ 2.53ghz 4GB G.skill pc6400 Seagate hdd 250gb Gigabyte P35 DS3L Sapphire 4850 Corsair 750 watts Raidmax Smilodon

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05-22-2007, 08:51 AM	#21 (permalink)
LE0O37 Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 268	Hey should I pay $10 more and get the one with the Heatsink and Fan included ? The other one is the exact same one but OEM & without a cooling device. Will that stock Cooling device be enough ? I'm not a gamer... Let me know, ty

05-23-2007, 03:49 AM	#27 (permalink)
LE0O37 Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 268	Which RAM should I pick, you see my CPU and MOBO above ? GSkill DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-15 $86 A-Data DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-18 $86 WINTEC AMPX DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-15 $86 OCZ DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 4 Timing 4-4-4-15 $90 XMS DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Cas Latency 5 Timing 5-5-5-12 $93 Now these below are slightly different and cheaper WINTEC DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Cas Latency 5 Timing not listed $63 Corsair ValueSelect DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Cas Latency 5 Timing not listed $70 Super Talent DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Cas Latency 5 Timing not listed $81 Is there a big difference from 667 to 800 ? Is there a big difference from PC2 5300 to 6400 ? What is a better timing,a lower number like 4-4-4-15 is better than 5-5-5-15? Does it really make a difference ? Let me know, with this I will Decide THANKS

05-23-2007, 08:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
LE0O37 Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 268	My current pc is P4 1.7 GHz and runs on 256 RAM. Very outdated from the late 90's.

05-23-2007, 08:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
spearball Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 148	I would pick the OCZ.