Super Computer Help!

jutnm · 09-08-2007, 06:34 AM

my Moms friend wants me to put together a list of computer parts to build a computer in the very near future, he needs this computer for his brother who is a geologist and is in the oil business. i need the best of the best, there is no limit in money.

BEST and Fastest CPU , AMD or INTEL
SLI READY MOTHERBOARD
4 or More Gbs of RAM
Efficient PSU
LARGE CASE to fit all of this in
OPTICAL DRIVES that can do most task and fast ( no blu ray)
MAYBE WATER COOLING SYSTEM ?????????

I found this MOBO with 2 CPU sockets
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131146R

*Going to Run 4 500 HDDs
*EDIT -Going to Run Vista Ultimate 64 bit
*Waiting for the 9800's to come out, dont worry about the card
* Dont need Monitor, Speakers, Keyboard, Mouse ..............Just the Computer

PC eye · 09-08-2007, 07:00 AM

The first thing to note right off about Vista Ultimate and 4gb or more of memory is whether that will be 32 or 64bit? The second is that the large capacity boards seeing 8gb or 16gb max see problems since the same chipsets were mainly intended for 2-4gb boards. 8gb of memory will often only see 7gb due to limitations there.

For the AMD version of a quad core the new socket type with dual cpu sockets is for the AMD FX-74 model cpu. That's the dual core run in pairs for seeing the quad core capanility at this time from AMD. With plenty of cash to spend why open box? when the retail buy is available at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131146 (Better return policy and manufacturer's warrenty.)

Four 750gb drives would see a bit more drive space available if capacity is needed. But instead of the $109.99 or $134.99 seen on two 500gb models the prices are $189.99 and $259.99 seen on the two models at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...984&name=750GB

The type of build is what to really look at. For gaming most will point at an Intel Core 2 or qaud core model over AMD since "fastest cpu" seems to be a priority there. For a good supply with adequate power review the sticky on this for ideas. http://www.computerforum.com/90118-u...su-guides.html

jutnm · 09-08-2007, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC eye

The first thing to note right off about Vista Ultimate and 4gb or more of memory is whether that will be 32 or 64bit? The second is that the large capacity boards seeing 8gb or 16gb max see problems since the same chipsets were mainly intended for 2-4gb boards. 8gb of memory will often only see 7gb due to limitations there.

For the AMD version of a quad core the new socket type with dual cpu sockets is for the AMD FX-74 model cpu. That's the dual core run in pairs for seeing the quad core capanility at this time from AMD. With plenty of cash to spend why open box? when the retail buy is available at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131146 (Better return policy and manufacturer's warrenty.)

Four 750gb drives would see a bit more drive space available if capacity is needed. But instead of the $109.99 or $134.99 seen on two 500gb models the prices are $189.99 and $259.99 seen on the two models at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...984&name=750GB

The type of build is what to really look at. For gaming most will point at an Intel Core 2 or qaud core model over AMD since "fastest cpu" seems to be a priority there. For a good supply with adequate power review the sticky on this for ideas. http://www.computerforum.com/90118-u...su-guides.html

oo about the motherboard dual CPU sockets , iwas just pointing it out, the OS will be 64 bit, but he wants alot of ram, and hey the 750 gbs ill go for that, more bang for ur buck.

PC eye · 09-08-2007, 08:13 AM

Remember the drawbacks seen on some 8 or 16gb capable boards due to the chipsets used. Without going into CAD of some large graphics design work(not there obviously) or some hugh calculations software for research 4gb is usually more then adequate. Despite the 3gb barrier lifted with the 64bit structured OSs the programs that are generally available still run on far less memory unless the need for some demanding software is present despite the resources for buying more.

SLI is definitely a thought for multiple monitors as for seeing higher end performance visual wise. Sometimes large presentations require a large screen as well as the operator's own monitor in the business enviroment. Crossfire is for ATI while SLI requires an nForce chipset on the model finally selected.

For power 850w or 1000w models are seen more common with even Antec coming out with the TPQ 850w models made by Enhance. That build sounds like it will need some heavy duty supply to handle everything and still have something left onhand. The power requirement recommendations seen for the present model video cards out including the new DX10 capatible models is seen in part of ceewi1's sticky at Power Recommendations by Video Card

The need for an 850w or higher will depend on whether any ocing will come into place with the build being planned or simply run stock. Additional hardware added that run from the supply and not external power sources have to be weighed in too.

jutnm · 09-08-2007, 09:31 AM

hmmm thanks for ur input , this will be my EDIT reply

1. 1000 Watt PSU
2. SLI READY MOTHERBOARD
3. INTEL or AMD CPU
4. 4 Gbs of RAM
5. 2 Optical Drives ( Writes Fast and does most jobs, NO BLURAY)
6. 4x 750 Gb HDD
7.WATER COOLING SYSTEM
8. Big Enough case, also stylish

*Waiting for 9800 cards
*RUNNING Vista Ultimate 64 BIT

PC eye · 09-08-2007, 09:52 AM

For boards, supply, and cpu the first thought would be type of build intended. A fast cpu implies performance but for many things in addition to gaming. Intel currently has the edge for gaming builds while AMD has been large with X2 dual core models in the laste few years mainly multitasking there. Their FX series didn't quite compete against the newer line of Intel models.

2gb dimms do see high prices since those are the newer memory out. A pair of those can easily run about $400 with a quick look. Kingston Hyper X was the sole ingredient when going to newegg for a look back in July. For dvd burner both +r and -r the 18x sata and ide models are now seen. The 52x32x52 cd writers are usually OEM at newegg for under $20- as a rule. The Sony 18x 12x ram sata dvd burner ordered here saw $33-. Optical drives are the low cost item.

For liquid not air cooling you want a look at "air conditioned cases with room for a cpu cooler(liquid) since those run the highest other then custom modified special ordered types of cases. For a look at a few of those a few links are posted here. But a simple search will show the few brands seen like Nextherm and MASSCOOL.

For one Sytrin Nextherm mid tower case, http://www.xoxide.com/nextherm-air-c...-460w-psu.html

Newegg has one MASSCOOL model included with a 460w supply seen at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...OOL-_-11221001
(Never order a case with a supply if you can avoid it or simply toss the junker to grab a bargain.

)

**oscaryu1** · 09-08-2007, 02:50 PM

If you can get an mobo with 4 slots for RAM, why not get 2x 4GBs?

http://www.computerhq.com/INTEL_CPU_...id-930340.html

No limit?

spanky · 09-08-2007, 05:05 PM

Is this computer going to be used for gaming? If not you didn't really put together a good pc.

**oscaryu1** · 09-08-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theresthatguy

Is this computer going to be used for gaming? If not you didn't really put together a good pc.

He's not even done yet. Pretty sure 4GB and 9800 is an great gamer...

paratwa · 09-08-2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theresthatguy

Is this computer going to be used for gaming? If not you didn't really put together a good pc.

I totally agree!

If this system is to be used for research with the software needed for Geology work, then the system you are putting together would be a waste.

Dual 8800 in sli would not be needed at all! Those are gaming cards and would not be needed for cad and other programs.

You would be better off building a workstation system with dual xeon processors and 4 gigs of ram on a 64 bit OS. I would even look at the (god I hate saying this) HP workstation systems.

Now if he wants to do some gaming along with his work, then maybe I would use the 8800's. But it sounds like he wants to do some serious work on it.

You need to look at what he is going to be using on this system. What programs is he going to be running. Look up the requirements of the software and build a system based on that.

For a system to do serious work (instead of gaming) it takes a completely different type of computer. Do your research!!!!

09-08-2007, 06:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
jutnm Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anahiem Hills Posts: 1,526	Super Computer Help! my Moms friend wants me to put together a list of computer parts to build a computer in the very near future, he needs this computer for his brother who is a geologist and is in the oil business. i need the best of the best, there is no limit in money. BEST and Fastest CPU , AMD or INTEL SLI READY MOTHERBOARD 4 or More Gbs of RAM Efficient PSU LARGE CASE to fit all of this in OPTICAL DRIVES that can do most task and fast ( no blu ray) MAYBE WATER COOLING SYSTEM ????????? I found this MOBO with 2 CPU sockets http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131146R Going to Run 4 500 HDDs EDIT -Going to Run Vista Ultimate 64 bit Waiting for the 9800's to come out, dont worry about the card Dont need Monitor, Speakers, Keyboard, Mouse ..............Just the Computer __________________ 1. AMD ATHLON 4600 X2 ~ 2.4 GHz 2. HIS ATI RADEON 1650 IceQ Pro Turbo 512Mb 3. RAM- ADATA PC6400: 2Gbs 4. MOBO-MSI K9N6GM VClass SERIES 5. 550 WATT LOGYSIS PSU 6. MAXTOR 230 GB HDD 7. Windows Vista ULTIMATE 8. Logitech 5.1 X-530 Surround Sound System 9.Ultra eTorque ATX Case (provided by gf "P) Last edited by jutnm; 09-08-2007 at 07:12 AM.

09-08-2007, 07:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,535	The first thing to note right off about Vista Ultimate and 4gb or more of memory is whether that will be 32 or 64bit? The second is that the large capacity boards seeing 8gb or 16gb max see problems since the same chipsets were mainly intended for 2-4gb boards. 8gb of memory will often only see 7gb due to limitations there. For the AMD version of a quad core the new socket type with dual cpu sockets is for the AMD FX-74 model cpu. That's the dual core run in pairs for seeing the quad core capanility at this time from AMD. With plenty of cash to spend why open box? when the retail buy is available at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131146 (Better return policy and manufacturer's warrenty.) Four 750gb drives would see a bit more drive space available if capacity is needed. But instead of the $109.99 or $134.99 seen on two 500gb models the prices are $189.99 and $259.99 seen on the two models at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...984&name=750GB The type of build is what to really look at. For gaming most will point at an Intel Core 2 or qaud core model over AMD since "fastest cpu" seems to be a priority there. For a good supply with adequate power review the sticky on this for ideas. http://www.computerforum.com/90118-u...su-guides.html __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Making an Old Brain Young http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Hea...6371136&page=1

09-08-2007, 08:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,535	Remember the drawbacks seen on some 8 or 16gb capable boards due to the chipsets used. Without going into CAD of some large graphics design work(not there obviously) or some hugh calculations software for research 4gb is usually more then adequate. Despite the 3gb barrier lifted with the 64bit structured OSs the programs that are generally available still run on far less memory unless the need for some demanding software is present despite the resources for buying more. SLI is definitely a thought for multiple monitors as for seeing higher end performance visual wise. Sometimes large presentations require a large screen as well as the operator's own monitor in the business enviroment. Crossfire is for ATI while SLI requires an nForce chipset on the model finally selected. For power 850w or 1000w models are seen more common with even Antec coming out with the TPQ 850w models made by Enhance. That build sounds like it will need some heavy duty supply to handle everything and still have something left onhand. The power requirement recommendations seen for the present model video cards out including the new DX10 capatible models is seen in part of ceewi1's sticky at Power Recommendations by Video Card The need for an 850w or higher will depend on whether any ocing will come into place with the build being planned or simply run stock. Additional hardware added that run from the supply and not external power sources have to be weighed in too. __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Making an Old Brain Young http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Hea...6371136&page=1

09-08-2007, 09:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
jutnm Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anahiem Hills Posts: 1,526	hmmm thanks for ur input , this will be my EDIT reply 1. 1000 Watt PSU 2. SLI READY MOTHERBOARD 3. INTEL or AMD CPU 4. 4 Gbs of RAM 5. 2 Optical Drives ( Writes Fast and does most jobs, NO BLURAY) 6. 4x 750 Gb HDD 7.WATER COOLING SYSTEM 8. Big Enough case, also stylish Waiting for 9800 cards RUNNING Vista Ultimate 64 BIT __________________ 1. AMD ATHLON 4600 X2 ~ 2.4 GHz 2. HIS ATI RADEON 1650 IceQ Pro Turbo 512Mb 3. RAM- ADATA PC6400: 2Gbs 4. MOBO-MSI K9N6GM VClass SERIES 5. 550 WATT LOGYSIS PSU 6. MAXTOR 230 GB HDD 7. Windows Vista ULTIMATE 8. Logitech 5.1 X-530 Surround Sound System 9.Ultra eTorque ATX Case (provided by gf "P)

09-08-2007, 09:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
PC eye Diamond Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Inside a pc Posts: 20,535	For boards, supply, and cpu the first thought would be type of build intended. A fast cpu implies performance but for many things in addition to gaming. Intel currently has the edge for gaming builds while AMD has been large with X2 dual core models in the laste few years mainly multitasking there. Their FX series didn't quite compete against the newer line of Intel models. 2gb dimms do see high prices since those are the newer memory out. A pair of those can easily run about $400 with a quick look. Kingston Hyper X was the sole ingredient when going to newegg for a look back in July. For dvd burner both +r and -r the 18x sata and ide models are now seen. The 52x32x52 cd writers are usually OEM at newegg for under $20- as a rule. The Sony 18x 12x ram sata dvd burner ordered here saw $33-. Optical drives are the low cost item. For liquid not air cooling you want a look at "air conditioned cases with room for a cpu cooler(liquid) since those run the highest other then custom modified special ordered types of cases. For a look at a few of those a few links are posted here. But a simple search will show the few brands seen like Nextherm and MASSCOOL. For one Sytrin Nextherm mid tower case, http://www.xoxide.com/nextherm-air-c...-460w-psu.html Newegg has one MASSCOOL model included with a 460w supply seen at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...OOL-_-11221001 (Never order a case with a supply if you can avoid it or simply toss the junker to grab a bargain. ) __________________ What The Data Miners Are Digging Up About You http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tec...6355541&page=1 Making an Old Brain Young http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Hea...6371136&page=1

09-08-2007, 02:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
oscaryu1 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Age: 13 Posts: 10,355	If you can get an mobo with 4 slots for RAM, why not get 2x 4GBs? http://www.computerhq.com/INTEL_CPU_...id-930340.html No limit? __________________ Core 2 Duo E2140 1.6GHz @ 3.04GHz GA-P31-DS3L pqi Turbo CL4 DDR2-800 2GB Sapphire HD3850 256MB Sony Writemaster DVD Burner EIDE Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200.9 8MB SATII

09-08-2007, 05:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
spanky Diamond Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: KC, MO Posts: 2,419	Is this computer going to be used for gaming? If not you didn't really put together a good pc. __________________ CS:S [.:CF:.] site: http://forums.cfclan.net/ Formerly theresthatguy CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 HSF: TK IFX-14 with 120 mm @ 114 CFM GPU: XFX 7950 GX2 RAM: 2GB Corsair XMS2 Pro DDR2 800 MOBO: Intel D975XBX HDD:80GB/750GB Seagates CASE: P180b

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