Antec 900 or Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS

I was looking at the Thermaltake with watercooling already inside. If Antec could do this with the 900, and it was the same price, I would go with the antec.
 
I am getting a Antec 900..

I remember looking at that other case and I think the 900 is better.

I mainly chose the 900 because of the amount of fans.
 
I am getting a Antec 900..

I remember looking at that other case and I think the 900 is better.

I mainly chose the 900 because of the amount of fans.

well, if you are looking for a case where you can put tons of fans, try this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119103

:D:D:D
1 each at the front, back and top
and 4 for the side door...
talk about overkill... but then again, when talk about cooling there can never be cool enough...
 
theres a version of 900 that has two holes for water tubes.

Below is a pic that shows the water holes on the 900. This probably doesn't help your decision, but since I own this case, I thought I'd show you. :)



More importantly, be prepared for a challenge if you have large, high performance parts (GPU's) that you would like to install. I'm moving everything into a full tower soon. The Antec 900 is an awesome case, however, fitting two GTX's, with cables from the power supply everywhere, was difficult. :D
 
I'll be picking up my Antec 900 today, and installing all my components probably Tuesday or Wednesday. When I have everything in, tucked away, and running, I'll measure and see how much space there is between the two PCIe slots and the HD cages to see how much clearance there is for something like an 8800GTX.

Me, I just like the idea of a 200mm fan.
 
I'll be picking up my Antec 900 today, and installing all my components probably Tuesday or Wednesday. When I have everything in, tucked away, and running, I'll measure and see how much space there is between the two PCIe slots and the HD cages to see how much clearance there is for something like an 8800GTX.

Me, I just like the idea of a 200mm fan.

Here's a preview: :D Using a modular PSU might help the cable management situation. Post some pics of the interior when you're done. :)
 
lol I plan to. I'm installing an Ultra X3 1000-watt, not because I really need all that power, but because it was a hell of a deal bundled with an AMD CPU I wanted. And yeah, the power supply is modular. All things being equal, I'll take a small hit in power deliver for a cleaner case, if I'm that overpowered anyway.

Actually, I was going to try to take step-by-step pictures of everything I did, largely to be a jack@$$ and show off my first build. I have the case now, and I already relocated the drive cages, removed the unused interior fan mount, and passed the wiring for the power/reset, USB, and Firewire on the top through the back wall. Can't wait to slide that big Asus motherboard in. Compared to my El Crappo box from Systemax, this thing is HUGE!

Although, looking at your rig, you're running SLI'd 8800s, an nVidia 680i or so motherboard, plus two opticals and two HDs that I can see. Praise Jesus you're not trying to use IDE ribbons. Mine's gonna look nice and empty: Zalman 9500 HSF, EVGA 8600 GTS, two opticals and a Western Digital HD. And if the onboard sound on the Asus sucks, a Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS sound card with front panel. The only messy part is gonna be routing the sound card's mandatory IDE cable I got it easy!
 
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lol I plan to. I'm installing an Ultra X3 1000-watt, not because I really need all that power, but because it was a hell of a deal bundled with an AMD CPU I wanted. And yeah, the power supply is modular. All things being equal, I'll take a small hit in power deliver for a cleaner case, if I'm that overpowered anyway.

Actually, I was going to try to take step-by-step pictures of everything I did, largely to be a jack@$$ and show off my first build. I have the case now, and I already relocated the drive cages, removed the unused interior fan mount, and passed the wiring for the power/reset, USB, and Firewire on the top through the back wall. Can't wait to slide that big Asus motherboard in. Compared to my El Crappo box from Systemax, this thing is HUGE!

Although, looking at your rig, you're running SLI'd 8800s, an nVidia 680i or so motherboard, plus two opticals and two HDs that I can see. Praise Jesus you're not trying to use IDE ribbons. Mine's gonna look nice and empty: Zalman 9500 HSF, EVGA 8600 GTS, two opticals and a Western Digital HD. And if the onboard sound on the Asus sucks, a Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS sound card with front panel. The only messy part is gonna be routing the sound card's mandatory IDE cable I got it easy!

With regard to having a clean case, you have several advantages. A modular power supply will definitely help. The output, and model of your PSU seems to be very resonable. Although I don't know the specifics of this "AMD/PSU combo," if you went with an X2 5000 or higher, then I'm sure the purchase is worthwhile. The size, and amount of components you plan to install (as you know) will help as well.

Further, you mentioned, I believe, a possible power hit you may take with the model of PSU you selected. Is this because the PSU is modular? Are you concerned with efficiency? I'm unclear. 1KW seems to be sufficient; with plenty of power available for a GPU upgrade, for example.

You know what's funny, and a leading contributor to my cable management problems? I have a Rosewill floppy/card reader installed! WTF? :mad: :eek: Yeah, I know. This huge floppy cable is big pain in my a**. Soon, I'll be moving everything into this case.

Which Asus Mobo are you installing? Do you plan on running SLI in the future? I'm only curious. Good luck with your build! :) Looks good.
 
Is that a Zalman CNPS9700 in your case, or are you just happy to see me?:cool:

It was an Athlon 64 FX62. I'm normally an Intel guy (8.99998 times out of ten, as the joke goes), but I wanted to explore the dark side a bit.

I mentioned the power hit because as I understand it, even the best modular PSUs lose a little bit having to deliver power through the plugs that connect the cables to the unit (if I'm reading creew1's explanations correctly). I shouldn't have to worry too much about that, though, as you said. I have more power than I could possibly know what to do with.

I went for the big power supply for two reasons: It was discounted, and I figured I might need it someday. The biggest flaw in my current rig is its lack of growing room: 350-watt PSU w/ 16A on 12V, AGP slots, Micro ATX motherboard...I loved it three years ago, but it's a little tired.

My plan is such:

Asus M2N-E motherboard
Athlon 64 FX62 2.8GHz
Ultra X3 1000-watt PSU
2GB OCZ Revision-2 800MHz DDR2
EVGA 8600 GTS

It's far from the best out there, but it's about the best I can manage. Lots of stuff was rebated. I'll be filling out forms for at least a week. I'm trying to save up my beans so I don't have to work while I go to law school. And maybe one day, I can RAID me some WD Raptors, quad-SLI me a few 8800 Ultras, and pop in a pair of Q6700s. Although by the time I get out, we'll probly be using quantum computers to play Half-Life: Episode 16.

Curiously, I haven't yet even BEGUN this build, but I'm thinking about my next. It would seem a shame to leave my current box unused, lacking only optical drives and a hard drive (and maybe a sound card). My girlfriend wants a desktop for her room, though, sort of a casual gaming/movie/music box. A good DVD/CD burner, another reader, and a 500GB Seagate Barracuda would fit the bill just fine. The most graphics-intensive program she runs is Simcity 4. And it would make an excellent Xmas gift for when she gets back from her semester in London.
 
Is that a Zalman CNPS9700 in your case, or are you just happy to see me?:cool:

The former and the latter! :P

I mentioned the power hit because as I understand it, even the best modular PSUs lose a little bit having to deliver power through the plugs that connect the cables to the unit (if I'm reading creew1's explanations correctly).
Agreed. I'm not sure the verdict is out with regard to the efficiency of modular PSU's. You should be fine, however.
The biggest flaw in my current rig is its lack of growing room: 350-watt PSU w/ 16A on 12V, AGP slots, Micro ATX motherboard...I loved it three years ago, but it's a little tired.

I've been there man. :( Check out this thread.

I'm trying to save up my beans so I don't have to work while I go to law school.
Soon, I suspect, assembling the best computer configuration will be the least of your worries. :P The only applications you'll be running will have the name "Office" attached to it.
And maybe one day, I can RAID me some WD Raptors, quad-SLI me a few 8800 Ultras, and pop in a pair of Q6700s. Although by the time I get out, we'll probly be using quantum computers to play Half-Life: Episode 16.

Someday...

Curiously, I haven't yet even BEGUN this build, but I'm thinking about my next. It would seem a shame to leave my current box unused, lacking only optical drives and a hard drive (and maybe a sound card). My girlfriend wants a desktop for her room, though, sort of a casual gaming/movie/music box. A good DVD/CD burner, another reader, and a 500GB Seagate Barracuda would fit the bill just fine. The most graphics-intensive program she runs is Simcity 4. And it would make an excellent Xmas gift for when she gets back from her semester in London.

Build her something simple.
 
lol Well, I assume that my life will become boring and dull for those three years, but it'll be worth it. I just did my senior capstone class (in the end of my junior year...Black Labor, my thesis was the racially-motivated purge of communists from the labor unions and subsequent damage to both white and black workers in the automotive, steel, and meatpacking industries). While I was doing that little project, I really didn't do anything BUT work. I have no recollection of writing the last 7 pages of my paper, but they were apparently good, because I was the first student to get an A in that class in 5 or 6 years. I do believe, however, that it was a Pyrrhic victory.

By the way, I just ordered my own CNPS9700 LED. I would have liked the black finish 9700, but my motherboard only has a 3-pin connector, and I needed a 4-pin. I could have modded it to work, but I know from working on cars that anytime you combine two pieces of equipment that weren't meant to work together, you increase the chances of expensive things going boom. Also, I thought that the lone green light might have looked a little wierd in the all-blue Antec 900. In any case, no one's complained about not being able to fit a 9700 in an Antec 900, just some have to get rid of the optional side 120mm fan, and some have only 1mm clearance after that. Although when I put things in that perspective, this HSF really is quite large, isn't it? Still, functionality, attractiveness, and that all-important I'm-going-to-kick-your-ass look. Plus, if I don't want to do water or other more extreme options, the Zalman really is the pinnacle of cooling.

At some point, once I have everything neatly installed and running stable, I'll be installing a cold cathode kit or two. Unless, of course, cable management becomes an issue. I would have ordered the kits I need now, but I don't have the time to research it before I assemble this thing, so I might as well wait and put the lights in later. I've seen way too many reviews of "I got shocked" or "it caught fire", mostly associated with cheap lights, but I'm not going to have my $200 CPU killed by neither a $25 light or a $5 one.

Anyways, my box from Tiger just arrived, so I'll be starting tonight with the PSU install. If the Ultra X3 1000-watt doesn't fit, I'll return it, get something modular with a little less power for a little less money, and return the Asus M5N-E for the Deluxe Wireless Vista Edition to cover the dividend. The basic M5N-E only has a PCIe 16x and an 8x...did not realize it when I ordered, should have looked more carefully.

As for the girlfriend box, the rig will be rather simple. I plan on installing everything with her, so she can do any future upgrades herself if we're no longer together or if she's just so inclined. The big HD is on there so she can rip DVD images and play them with Daemon Tools. One drive'll be a top-notch writer with Lightscribe, and the other will just be a simple reader. Once again, the goal is to use as many parts I already have as I can get away with. If I end up installing a fan controller on my Antec, she'll get my reader drive since I don't want to delete one of the front 120mm fans. Unless, of course, I use the Asus onboard sound. She's technically competent enough to run everything once Windows is up and I show her how to do DVD image ripping, just never opened up a case in her life.
 
lol Well, I assume that my life will become boring and dull for those three years, but it'll be worth it. I just did my senior capstone class (in the end of my junior year...Black Labor, my thesis was the racially-motivated purge of communists from the labor unions and subsequent damage to both white and black workers in the automotive, steel, and meatpacking industries). While I was doing that little project, I really didn't do anything BUT work. I have no recollection of writing the last 7 pages of my paper, but they were apparently good, because I was the first student to get an A in that class in 5 or 6 years. I do believe, however, that it was a Pyrrhic victory.

Nice job! Good luck with law school. Soon, I'll be graduating with a Bachelor's in Business Administration/Accountancy. After I pass the CPA exams, I'll either work for the California Department of Finance, or a fancy pants corporate accounting firm.

In any case, no one's complained about not being able to fit a 9700 in an Antec 900, just some have to get rid of the optional side 120mm fan, and some have only 1mm clearance after that. Although when I put things in that perspective, this HSF really is quite large, isn't it? Still, functionality, attractiveness, and that all-important I'm-going-to-kick-your-ass look. Plus, if I don't want to do water or other more extreme options, the Zalman really is the pinnacle of cooling.

I'm not sure what clearance I have, but I have successfully installed the 120mm fan on the side panel. As for CPU temps, they've been high. This HSF has an excellent reputation, so I think I'm incorrectly applying thermal grease (either too much or too little, I'm not sure).

The basic M5N-E only has a PCIe 16x and an 8x...did not realize it when I ordered, should have looked more carefully.

That really frustrates me. I have no idea why these companies are releasing SLI mobos with a 8X slot.
 
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Nice job! Good luck with law school. Soon, I'll be graduating with a Bachelor's in Business Administration/Accountancy. After I pass the CPA exams, I'll either work for the California Department of Finance, or a fancy pants corporate accounting firm.

I'm not sure what clearance I have, but I have successfully installed the 120mm fan on the side panel. As for CPU temps, they've been high. This HSF has an excellent reputation, so I think I'm incorrectly applying thermal grease (either too much or too little, I'm not sure).

That really frustrates me. I have no idea why these companies are releasing SLI mobos with a 8X slot.


I run the same Zalman cooler thats in the pictures, at idle my CPU temps are around 26c, I dont really tax my machine to much I mean I am ripping CDs, running vent, and playing WoW or Guild Wars and my temps have never hit above 35c.

I did however recently get an icy dock for 3 hot swaps, I now have one of the front fans sitting at the top and one at the bottom. I have the Zalman on my CPU and another on my 7950GT vid card.

I have all the fans running on low, and have never had a cooling issue. This is definately one of the best cases I have owned but it does leave a little to be desired when cable management is concerned!!
 
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