Apple a monopoly?

DMGrier

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Isn't Apple considered a monopoly since you have to buy there computer to get OSX? I just think way back when the gov't went after microsoft for being a monopoly and it makes more sense that apple is. Thought's?
 

laznz1

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Isn't Apple considered a monopoly since you have to buy there computer to get OSX? I just think way back when the gov't went after microsoft for being a monopoly and it makes more sense that apple is. Thought's?

Good point i think they are there the only company i know off that forbids users using OSX on PCs
 

g4m3rof1337

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Not really, since it's really no different than the consoles.. You need a 360 to play 360 games. You need a Mac to run OSX software. And it's more of 'new wave', Apple is really doing the same thing as the PC, just in a different look. If you want to do some deep thinking, a Mac and a PC both use the same parts.. a CPU, Mobo, HDD, ext.. They're just used differently. So the whole Vs. war is bull.


It's like saying Coke is better than Pepsi..


P.S. - Don't mind my rambling, I'm preoccupied and a little overtired.
 
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laznz1

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I have heard of people of putting OSX on a few pc's with a lot of work but is that actually illegal?

no its illegal to use it but it is wrong

g4m3rof1337 you have some what of a point but then most games are released as all platforms
 

gamerman4

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Well what your talking about isn't even a monopoly but rather just Apple having proprietary software that comes with their hardware. They market their PC as a single unit (both OSX and comp as one "product") and there really isn't anything wrong with that since there are tons of examples of proprietary limitations on both hardware and software in computers. Apple doesn't allow OSX on other computers because they couldn't "support" it because Apple's comps are built around a standardized platform and they support that entire package. If they allowed the OS on any computer then they would be required to support all other hardware and that isn't their business, they support Apple products and that is it.
It isn't like Microsoft where MS supports their OS and in effect, the support for every type of hardware available for Windows.
 

DirtyD86

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a monopoly is when one company and only one company controls the market for a particular product. i have grey thoughts about this... part of me thinks if someone can do it well enough that competition doesn't even exist, then they deserve the success. the other and more rational part of me thinks a pre-existing monopoly would make it hell for new companies to emerge
 

g4m3rof1337

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no its illegal to use it but it is wrong

g4m3rof1337 you have some what of a point but then most games are released as all platforms

Not yet/ever. Between the two, the PC has more of a gaming library, which is why the PC is the platform of choice, opposed to Apple. Apple has some games, which can be found here, http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=MjQyMTExNw.

Sure, there may be a few games on there, but not as much as the PC has to offer. But the Mac platform is more graphic design friendly, so I've heard, so it comes down to personal preference.


A monopoly would be something like.. Comcast owning all the cable lines in a town, so other cable companies can't offer their services there.
 

laznz1

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Not yet/ever. Between the two, the PC has more of a gaming library, which is why the PC is the platform of choice, opposed to Apple. Apple has some games, which can be found here, http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=MjQyMTExNw.

Sure, there may be a few games on there, but not as much as the PC has to offer. But the Mac platform is more graphic design friendly, so I've heard, so it comes down to personal preference.


A monopoly would be something like.. Comcast owning all the cable lines in a town, so other cable companies can't offer their services there.

they own all of one software and wont allow any one to use it is that not a monopoly?
 

gamerman4

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they own all of one software and wont allow any one to use it is that not a monopoly?

No because they are plenty of alternatives. A monopoly would have to restrict the market so much that it would not be feasible to use any other product.
 

g4m3rof1337

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they own all of one software and wont allow any one to use it is that not a monopoly?

I guess that can be similar to my cable example, but there are alternatives around it.. One being OSX86, the other being Linux, and then it's up to the user to decide. I think the definition of monopoly is that the company doing the act, is the only option. Though the consumer can only either way, at their own expense.

No because they are plenty of alternatives. A monopoly would have to restrict the market so much that it would not be feasible to use any other product.

I was typing my above response when you submitted this.

Spot on.
 

DMGrier

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Great point's guys, one question. When microsoft was being accused as a monopoly apple and linux both existed so what grounds did our gov't have to try and attack them, does anyone remember what I am talking about?
 

dug987654

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Great point's guys, one question. When microsoft was being accused as a monopoly apple and linux both existed so what grounds did our gov't have to try and attack them, does anyone remember what I am talking about?

That was because Microsoft was bundling everything with Windows - Media Player, Movie Maker, Internet Explorer, Works, Outlook Express etc. So you could get a computer and not have to buy any software other than free Microsoft software.

If Linux had 95% of the market share then the same would have been accused of them (with Open Office etc.)

I did a uni project on this once (comparing IT companies) and found out that all of the bundled software is a HUGE loss for Microsoft - billions - but it is worth it as it stops people spending money at different companies - companies can't develop software - companies go broke etc. World domination and all that (if your into that kinda thing!).

That make sense...?? Doug.

PS If anyone is interested I will upload the report on Microsoft...
 

laznz1

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That was because Microsoft was bundling everything with Windows - Media Player, Movie Maker, Internet Explorer, Works, Outlook Express etc. So you could get a computer and not have to buy any software other than free Microsoft software.

If Linux had 95% of the market share then the same would have been accused of them (with Open Office etc.)

I did a uni project on this once (comparing IT companies) and found out that all of the bundled software is a HUGE loss for Microsoft - billions - but it is worth it as it stops people spending money at different companies - companies can't develop software - companies go broke etc. World domination and all that (if your into that kinda thing!).

That make sense...?? Doug.

PS If anyone is interested I will upload the report on Microsoft...
id love to see it
 

tlarkin

VIP Member
Isn't Apple considered a monopoly since you have to buy there computer to get OSX? I just think way back when the gov't went after microsoft for being a monopoly and it makes more sense that apple is. Thought's?

No, they are a direct competition of Microsoft, their advertising clearly represents that idea.
 

tlarkin

VIP Member
Great point's guys, one question. When microsoft was being accused as a monopoly apple and linux both existed so what grounds did our gov't have to try and attack them, does anyone remember what I am talking about?

There were many reasons, like forcing IE to be the default browser in Windows 98. This made Netscape and other browser developers pissed. That was part of the monopoly law suit. To get around it, MS embedded IE as part of the interface, and explorer and IE share libraries and are integrated. They also let third party browser gain the ability to be the system default browser.

MS office was killing compatibility with other office suites, thus that was part of the lawsuit.

In fact I bet there is probably a huge wikipedia page on it...
 

Kill Bill

Active Member
no its illegal to use it but it is wrong

g4m3rof1337 you have some what of a point but then most games are released as all platforms

Well part of the problem here is if you spread the word about OSX on a PC and how to, if apple finds out they will file on your part that would cut you off from some the industrial connections BUT showing people how to put OS X on a PC your breaking trade secrets for Apple thus it actually being illegal and if you have to a pay a few hundred thousand in fine you know all those millions went to a lawyer.
 
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