Apple a monopoly?

tlarkin

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Apple is not fighting microsoft at selling their OS, they are fighting all PC manufacturing companies and make users use macs.

Yes they are, they are in direct competition they also produce and sell hardware in an all in one package. A judge already ruled that they were in direct competition with every other PC maker and software developer out there.

I think you need to read up on what a monopoly is.
 

Twist86

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I consider Apple a monopoly.

Anything you buy that revolves around Apple will do such things....Iphone has to have AT&T to work....Ipod will only work with Itunes....Mac can only run OSX etc.

Reason I don't buy their crap.
 
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g4m3rof1337

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Apple isn't a monopoly, like the example I used earlier, a monopoly would be like if Comcast owned all the cable lines in a city, they would be stopping other cable companies from offering their service there. So everyone in that town would only be able to use Comcast for cable.
 

tlarkin

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I consider Apple a monopoly.

Anything you buy that revolves around Apple will do such things....Iphone has to have AT&T to work....Ipod will only work with Itunes....Mac can only run OSX etc.

Reason I don't buy their crap.

That is not a definition of a monopoly. Let me give you an example. I live in kansas City, and I have my utility gas through Missouri Gas Energy, MGE. They have the absolute worst customer service I have ever dealt with, they offer the worst services I have seen, and they don't give a crap about their clients.

They are a monopoly because they are the only game in town. I can't switch my gas service over to a different gas company. I have no choice.

You choose to not use apple, you use an alternative, therefore they are not a monopoly.

They are in direct competition with Microsoft, Linux, Novell, Citrix, so on and so forth. If you choose not to use their product that is your choice, and you have a choice therefore it is not a monopoly.
 

gamerman4

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Apple isn't a monopoly






but this is

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That is not a definition of a monopoly. Let me give you an example. I live in kansas City, and I have my utility gas through Missouri Gas Energy, MGE. They have the absolute worst customer service I have ever dealt with, they offer the worst services I have seen, and they don't give a crap about their clients.

They are a monopoly because they are the only game in town. I can't switch my gas service over to a different gas company. I have no choice.

You choose to not use apple, you use an alternative, therefore they are not a monopoly.

They are in direct competition with Microsoft, Linux, Novell, Citrix, so on and so forth. If you choose not to use their product that is your choice, and you have a choice therefore it is not a monopoly.

Exactly right...

Microsoft and Intel could be easily considered monopolies, both have some anti-competitive actions that are under-the-table. I know that both of these guys like to mess with their retail vendors. Of course, Apple might have done a few things, but I think Microsoft and Intel take the cake.

A lot of people don't like Apple because they don't understand their business model. They control the supported hardware and therefore drivers are easy for them to manage. That improves the user experience by a mass amount, I spend more time getting things done than screwing around with Nvidia's latest.

I have noticed that a lot of people say "my computer is MY tool" when referring to their dislike of Apple. Well if your computer is your very own tool then under the same logic, you should have designed all the PCB's and wrote the OS for your tool. Sure if you go with a Linux distro like Ubuntu you can consider it yours but on other OS's there are license agreement, so technically it's your physical property but not so much in an abstract software way. Even on a Linux distro, you didn't do all the work so technically it's still not your tool.
 

Hugh9191

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I don't think there a monopoly but I don't agree with them as they are trying to take over every bit of technology people own (computer, mp3 and phone) and lots of apple users say Microsoft are trying to take over the world!

I also don't agree with intel as they are trying to take over every component inside a computer and don't care about killing smaller companies.
 

dug987654

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Here is the report I mentioned earlier in the thread if anyone is interested at all. It is about Microsoft's management. Has to be a .txt file to keep the size down. It is only a section of a report which is why it has no introduction or conclusion. Doug
 
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2600GHz

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Isn't Apple considered a monopoly since you have to buy there computer to get OSX? I just think way back when the gov't went after microsoft for being a monopoly and it makes more sense that apple is. Thought's?

One word: OSx86
 

Kill Bill

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One word: OSx86

Without using offical updates. Personally IMO Apple are going to be like the 90's again when they were better speced than PC and had more Quality than Quantity even though today they are the best built machines today. Like if you look at the new 17'' MBP that can take DDR3 8GB Memory which is fantastic still being 0.95'' thick.

What's happening to Apple today is PC users keep believing that OS X runs the same speed as Vista so if you can buy a Quad core for 1,200 and 1,200 bucks for a Dual Core iMac. People will think the vista will preform better while the Mac would be a little speedier than the vista.:)
 

tlarkin

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Also, you don't have to run OS X on a Mac. You can run Linux, Unix, or Windows if you wanted to, so you aren't forced to run OS X on a Mac.
 

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I don't think there a monopoly but I don't agree with them as they are trying to take over every bit of technology people own (computer, mp3 and phone) and lots of apple users say Microsoft are trying to take over the world!

I also don't agree with intel as they are trying to take over every component inside a computer and don't care about killing smaller companies.

I am not really an Apple biased person because I can fluently use Mac, Windows, and Linux all. But you're right, most of the time the Apple bias does tend to agree with that.

I pick at Microsoft's flaws, they have things in their software that is nothing but ignorant. IE is in the box but is junk with its security weaknesses and the weird way it displays CSS. Microsoft is not attracting users to IE by beating the competitor's product, they are attracting users by making it the default product of Windows. There is nothing wrong with the fact that they bundle it, I have a problem with the fact that they really do not have to build a competitive product to achieve success.

One word: OSx86

Yeah... Gotta love it.

Without using offical updates. Personally IMO Apple are going to be like the 90's again when they were better speced than PC and had more Quality than Quantity even though today they are the best built machines today. Like if you look at the new 17'' MBP that can take DDR3 8GB Memory which is fantastic still being 0.95'' thick.

What's happening to Apple today is PC users keep believing that OS X runs the same speed as Vista so if you can buy a Quad core for 1,200 and 1,200 bucks for a Dual Core iMac. People will think the vista will perform better while the Mac would be a little speedier than the vista.:)

They are probably the best built... Can't argue with the metal box.

I have a Mac Mini that runs OS X and it's just as responsive as my desktop with Vista. The Mini is probably 1/50 its size, too.
 

Kill Bill

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I am not really an Apple biased person because I can fluently use Mac, Windows, and Linux all. But you're right, most of the time the Apple bias does tend to agree with that.

I pick at Microsoft's flaws, they have things in their software that is nothing but ignorant. IE is in the box but is junk with its security weaknesses and the weird way it displays CSS. Microsoft is not attracting users to IE by beating the competitor's product, they are attracting users by making it the default product of Windows. There is nothing wrong with the fact that they bundle it, I have a problem with the fact that they really do not have to build a competitive product to achieve success.



Yeah... Gotta love it.



They are probably the best built... Can't argue with the metal box.

I have a Mac Mini that runs OS X and it's just as responsive as my desktop with Vista. The Mini is probably 1/50 its size, too.
Exactly. People just need to get it in to their head OS X is just as speedy as vista and uses less resources and Component wise.
 
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Kill Bill

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Don't turn this into a MAC vs PC thread... this thread has nothing to do with the performance of any computer.

Were not. How could I be if I said a suggestion. and if you haven't noticed it already is one.;) And by faster it should have been: Just as speedy hold on.
 

PabloTeK

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I happen to think Apple isn't really restricting the distribution of their OS because they're not. BSD (which is what OS X actually is) is FOSS, all Apple do is plonk features onto it and tweak/extend it for Mac's. Think of Apple as selling the UI, not the core system itself.
 
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