My bro wants to build a Gaming comp!

FIG_JAM963

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My bro has this amazing idea of building a wicked gaming computer. His knowledge on hardware is rookie. He wants to play games such as COD: WAW, COD4MW, and MW2, he currently plays CS1.6, CSSource, and most games from 6+ years old. He thinks that by getting a Quad core processor instead of a Dual core would make his ideal computer really fast with most games. Is it worth the extra money to get a Quad Core for FPS gaming?
 

joh06937

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yes. many games are starting to get a lot more cpu limited. gpus are getting ahead of games mostly, but the cpus are starting to lack in power (the lower dual cores at least). this is just my opinion though.
 

jgoff14

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comparing my two systems is really apples and oranges, but while my low end system meats recommeneded requirements, it is dual core. my i7 is mind blowing i wouldnt do with out it. i also use it for matlab for my math homework and i ran a 100million random digit matrix on both at the same time and my i7 didnt even break a sweat. it finished in 30seconds other one, well, i stopped it because it maxed out the processor and took a long time to reach 9million relatively speaking. if he can afford a core2 quad, or i5 he should go for it. (my wife has now adopted my alienware) lol
 

Drenlin

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Quad cores are definitely worth it. Current gen quads include the Athlon II x4 series, Phenom II x4 series, Core i5 750, and the Core i7 series. They go in that order both in price and performance.

There's also the core i3 and the rest of the Core i5's which are dual-cores with hyperthreading...a poor-man's quad, basically. Doesn't work quite as well, but it's an improvement over a normal dual-core.
 

Mitch?

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if you'r eon a budget pick up a cheap Phenom II X4, some sexy chips for a cheap price ,and for gaming they outperform like priced Intel variants, you also have more upgradeability (AM3, later on AM3+, versus i3/i5/i7)
 

linkin

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Yeah if you're on a budget definately go for an AMD quadcore. You'll see the difference in games like GTA IV, and some other games.

In fact most games/applications can use four cores. people saying that they can only use two is a misconception.
 

87dtna

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My bro has this amazing idea of building a wicked gaming computer. His knowledge on hardware is rookie. He wants to play games such as COD: WAW, COD4MW, and MW2, he currently plays CS1.6, CSSource, and most games from 6+ years old. He thinks that by getting a Quad core processor instead of a Dual core would make his ideal computer really fast with most games. Is it worth the extra money to get a Quad Core for FPS gaming?

If all he uses the PC for is gaming, the I3 530 is a beast of a CPU for that. Dual core, but 4 threads. For gaming, the I3 is much better than an Athlon II any day. Clocks much higher (on air :rolleyes:) than any of the AMD's in similar price range, probably about 700-800 mhz higher atleast. And with gaming, higher core clock is better. My I3 would clock to 4.5ghz on air with HT on, and 4.7ghz with HT off. But my chip wasn't that great, I've seen lots of better overclocks, in fact mine was the worst I've seen. An Athlon II 630 will probably only clock to 3.6ghz or so, and honestly even clock for clock the I3 would outperform the Athlon II in gaming.
The I3 also consumes WAY less power than the Athlon II X4.
And if he ever wants to upgrade, the I7 860 is sitting there waiting. The I7 860 will not be obsolete for many years, it's overkill for ANYTHING right now.

Here's an I3 530 whipping a Phenom II 720 X3 in 27 out of 31 benchmarks-

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=118&p2=83

Now to be fair I'll show an Athlon II 630 against the I3-

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=118&p2=105

The athlon II wins 21 out of 31, but most of the gaming benchmarks go to the I3. Remember, the I3 will clock much higher than the Athlon II which helps gaming performance a lot more, and the I3 has over twice as much cache which is important with gaming as well.
 
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oh gawd. Here we go again. You know those links you provided, there was maybe 2 games tested.

Gaming is going to be identical between Intel and AMD. Go with something that will net you the faster, more robust gpu.
 

87dtna

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Yes thats true, but it's a well known fact that higher clock speed helps with gaming performance.

Is this better?

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=12

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=13

At stock clocks the I3 outperforms the 630 at an average of 5-10 FPS with as much as 16 fps I saw in left 4 dead and WOW. I3 at 4.2ghz or so will crush a 630 at 3.6ghz. And socket 1156 is more upgradeable at this point than AM3....IE I7 860 VS Phenom II 965.


Read the conclusion AnandTech has about the I3 VS athlon II line

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=16

If you're doing a lot of video encoding or 3D rendering AMD's cheap quad-cores are going to be a better option, but for nearly everything else (gaming included) you'll be better off with the Core i3.
 
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*sigh* For anything you can buy with intel in the clarksdale/lynnfield/nehalem product line you can get a Phenom II.

A much more recent review of such processors. Even has Penryn involved.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=13034

as you can see. Identical.

I'm not really sure where you can actually justify yourself saying LGA 1156 having more upgradability than AM3's. If anything, 1156 is dead where it stands. Why? There are several factors, with most notable being gulftown compatibility being with 1366 and not to mention the lack of usable pcie lanes. With gpu's getting extremely powerful that bandwidth hasn't been anymore important than now and in the near future. Your statement is totally asinine, but I've come to expect it from your tact.

I've had a lot of experience with a tremendous amount of AMD and Intel products. I can tell you, without favoritism, that each processor will game identically assuming the same graphical powerplant. The graphics card is going to be the most important deciding factor on how well his rig games. End of discussion.

I've owned roughly 13-14 processors spanning from dual to quads in both Intel's and AMD's product portfolio over the past 18 months. I've gamed on each. I've benched on each. In respect to gaming, they are equals.
 
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87dtna

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We aren't talking about Phenom II VS I7 here...we are talking I3 VS Athlon II. I just gave you a link showing 5-16 more FPS for the I3.

I said about upgradeability because he can go from the I3 to an I7 860 should be choose, which is a more powerful CPU than any Phenom II right now (similar gaming yes I get it, but in other tasks it's faster) I'm just showing the upgradeability from the I3.

I've owned about the same, in about the same time frame! Have you owned an I3? Have you owned an I7 860? From off the top of my head here, I have owned and tested-

Sempron LE1640
Sempron 140 (was able to unlock 2nd core if underclocked to 2.2ghz)
Athlon 64 X2 4200
Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Athlon II 245
Phenom 9600be
Phenom II 550 X2
^also unlocked to a quad making it same as 955be

Celeron D (forget the #)
P4 640
E3200
E4300es
E5200
E6300
X3210
I3 530
I5 750
I7 860


Probably more thats just off the top of my head. Almost a different motherboard for each chip as well. I've also owned well over a dozen video cards, benched and gamed on everything.
 
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I've had about 6 different i7 cpu's, which include i7 920's, i7 965EE's and i7 975EE's. I never went with lynnfield b/c of its uselessness in comparison to nehalem. Also, never went i3, because...frankly, the 3D on them blow for benching. I don't find much interest in 2D benching.

However, I'm not sure why you recommended an i3 vs an Athlon. Not really in the same pricing bracket as one another. He's building a gaming rig, and there is not going to be any difference in his games. I'm not sure why you are so narrow minded by keeping suggesting the more expensive platform to get the same result, or even a weaker result since he would have less to spend on a gpu. It's fairly retarded.

I still suggest a Phenom II X4 and putting the extra cash into a better gpu. Phenom II X4 with a better gpu > i7, i5, and i3 with a lesser gpu.
 

El Gappo

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More and more games are utilizing quads lately so phenom II or athlon II x4 as far as gaming is concerned is definitely the way to go. Steer clear of the athlon x3's tho because they are DOGS!!!

The am3 platform offers plenty more upgrade-ability than 1136 that's for sure ;)
 

87dtna

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I've had about 6 different i7 cpu's, which include i7 920's, i7 965EE's and i7 975EE's. I never went with lynnfield b/c of its uselessness in comparison to nehalem.
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There is only 6 I7's on the 1366 socket, so you've owned them all? Lynnfield IS nehalem, so is the I3 clarksdale. They are all nehalem architecture.

Here's a great link for you, if you will actually read all of it-
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,2360-3.html

They test an I7 at 3.4ghz with CF'd 4870's VS a Phenom II at 3.7ghz with CF'd 4890's. The I7 wins nearly every one, SAD that you think they are the same gaming performance.


However, I'm not sure why you recommended an i3 vs an Athlon. Not really in the same pricing bracket as one another. He's building a gaming rig, and there is not going to be any difference in his games. I'm not sure why you are so narrow minded by keeping suggesting the more expensive platform to get the same result, or even a weaker result since he would have less to spend on a gpu. It's fairly retarded.

I still suggest a Phenom II X4 and putting the extra cash into a better gpu. Phenom II X4 with a better gpu > i7, i5, and i3 with a lesser gpu.

I just showed you the gaming performance difference, 5-16 FPS better with the I3. Are you blind? Or didn't you even bother looking at the links? There was 10 gaming benchmarks there. And ONCE AGAIN this is at stock speeds, the I3 will by far overclock much higher than the Athlon II. Higher clock=better gaming performance.

Just how much more do you think the I3 is??? It's $125, and the Athlon II 630 is $109. Boards are all over the place but you will pretty much spend the same to get the same features. So we're talking less than $20 difference most likely.
I think your reasoning is ''fairly retarded'' when the I3 is a better gaming performance CPU hands down. I don't know how you think $20 is gonna buy you a way better GPU.

Oh and by the way, next time you think AM3 is going to be upgradeable, do a little more research. Besides Thuban hex core, AMD is done with socket AM3 and moving on to bulldozer, which MUST be a different socket because Bulldozer is going to utilize AMD fusion (onboard GPU) just like intel has done with the I3 and I5's.

I have owned an I3, and I can tell you it is an awesome gaming CPU.
 
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StrangleHold

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Oh and by the way, next time you think AM3 is going to be upgradeable, do a little more research. Besides Thuban hex core, AMD is done with socket AM3 and moving on to bulldozer, which MUST be a different socket because Bulldozer is going to utilize AMD fusion (onboard GPU) just like intel has done with the I3 and I5's.

I have owned an I3, and I can tell you it is an awesome gaming CPU.

Dont think thats true. Bulldozer (Zambezi) as far as I know is going to be AM3 socket. But only DDR3, so it wont work on AM2/+ boards. At least the first ones released. The highend desktop Bulldozer CPUs are not going to have a GPU.


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87dtna

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Dont think thats true. Bulldozer (Zambezi) as far as I know is going to be AM3 socket. But only DDR3, so it wont work on AM2/+ boards. At least the first ones released. The highend desktop Bulldozer CPUs are not going to have a GPU.
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Interesting, it would be a good move for AMD to keep it AM3 socket.


Interesting comment.

Created quite a bit of muscular pain in my abdominal area.

LOL, I know right.
 

2048Megabytes

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I wonder when the price for the i5 Dual-Core Processors is going to come down. I don't see why one would buy the i5 Dual-Cores when you can get a Core i5 750 Quad-Core for right around the same price.

Also the price of the Core 2 Duo E8400 is still $168.
 

El Gappo

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I wonder when the price for the i5 Dual-Core Processors is going to come down. I don't see why one would buy the i5 Dual-Cores when you can get a Core i5 750 Quad-Core for right around the same price.

Also the price of the Core 2 Duo E8400 is still $168.

They are already out and this is why people want them ;)
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/947108_hicookie_pifast_core_i5_670_13.42_sec
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/955245_hicookie_superpi_core_i5_670_5sec_944ms
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/954655_nickshih_wprime_1024m_core_i5_670_3min_55sec_172ms
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/954658_nickshih_wprime_32m_core_i5_670_7sec_93ms

You want 2d benching Global world records you want an i5 dual core :D
 

87dtna

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I wonder when the price for the i5 Dual-Core Processors is going to come down. I don't see why one would buy the i5 Dual-Cores when you can get a Core i5 750 Quad-Core for right around the same price.

Also the price of the Core 2 Duo E8400 is still $168.

Yeah people just want them cuz they overclock like mad crazy for benching. Then there's the people that just simply have to have new hardware everytime sometime is released, so since it's 32nm that produces sale as well.
 
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