Any ideas where I can find a 2013 Mac Pro??

PunterCam

Active Member
Hi all,

So Apple are bring out their new mac pro - the stupid little cylindrical thing that has no pcie slots, no hard drive slots - I really don't want it. It seems completely pointless.

What I want is a 2013 mac pro - one of the last "g5" looking towers. Apple stopped selling them in the UK (and presumably europe) due to some (probable) eu legislation quite a while ago - first or second quarter this year. They've only just stopped being sold in the US as far as I know.

Does anyone know where I can find a new one? I just want one of the very last models - there must be a stockpile somewhere, and someone must be selling them?

I'm in the UK.

Cheers
 

Jiniix

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You will be paying an insane premium, to the extend that I would suggest you read up on a hackintosh PC. The time it would take to learn how to make one, would be better spent that making the amount of money required to purchase one.
Amazon.co.uk Mac Pros

A hackintosh is a PC running OSX, which is very possible, despite what Apple might be telling you :D
 

PunterCam

Active Member
Couldn't make one for much less to be honest, and since I actually need to use it in the real and professional world to actually do work, I'll happily buy a real one - the third one in a row in fact.

Just want to know where one could find one.
 

Jiniix

Well-Known Member
Couldn't make one for much less to be honest
Hehe, now back to the real world. I understand that you might be worried if it's for professional use, but the value of the performance is incredibly bad.
Let's take the one that has the best hardware, which is also the one I think you chose. £2.400. For £2400 you can build an insane computer - or you could buy a newer, much better Mac.
I just read up on the new Mac, and you're right, all expandability happens outside the case (lulz), which is crazy.
If your heart is set on the G5 looking Mac, you gotta bite the bullet I suppose.
Bad performance and extreme price or decent performance and expensive price.
 

PunterCam

Active Member
Hehe, now back to the real world. I understand that you might be worried if it's for professional use, but the value of the performance is incredibly bad.
Let's take the one that has the best hardware, which is also the one I think you chose. £2.400. For £2400 you can build an insane computer - or you could buy a newer, much better Mac.
I just read up on the new Mac, and you're right, all expandability happens outside the case (lulz), which is crazy.
If your heart is set on the G5 looking Mac, you gotta bite the bullet I suppose.
Bad performance and extreme price or decent performance and expensive price.

But you're not going to get a 12 core, dual xeon processor, built like a brick and near silent computer. The processors alone are (were, when I last tried to upgrade) hundreds. And even if I did, I'd have to spend my time researching it, assembling it, installing, re-installing software, and hoping to high hell at the end of it that osx actually ran properly. And I'd be taking hours of my time - possibly a day or two - that's hundreds of pounds. And I don't get a "send the whole thing back" warranty at the end of that.

Nothing against people doing this if they've got free time and a spare computer lying around, but I absolutely disagree with anyone that says a mac is poor value. They're properly engineered pieces of kit. I'm typing this on a 2006 mac pro - one of the first intels. Still runs as sweetly as the day I bought it, and I could still get £400 for it - I only paid £1100 new! My heart isn't set on it by any means; I just know it's the most reliable and stable system out there, and it would be silly to penny pinch on a computer which will be in daily use for the next 5 years or more.

And yeah, the new mac pro is a joke! Very pretty - I think the chassis is machined from aluminium which will look and feel stunning - but I then need thunderbolt hard drives, a thunderbolt pcie chassis for my audio card, a dvd burner... It's very small, and it will be silent, but unless they released a beautiful, single box expansion (sata, thunderbolt, pcie, usb fw all included) chassis on some incredible military grade proprietary connector with it, it's completely pointless. Which is a shame.
 

Punk

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Staff member
I just know it's the most reliable and stable system out there, and it would be silly to penny pinch on a computer which will be in daily use for the next 5 years or more.

Unfounded. Macs just have better design, I'll only give them that.
 

PCunicorn

Active Member
Actually you can do all those things for less than a Mac Pro. Especially last gen, it will a absolute fortune.
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$2500 (or whatever it would be in your currency) for Dual-Xeons, 32 GB of RAM, 2 2TB HDDs for RAID, a good case (not as nice looking as Apple's, but if you want to spend several thousand dollars more for looks, be my guest), EVGA 1000W PSU, and a very nice Supermicro server motherboard. Not saying all these are compatible with a Hackintosh but if you are interested I will pull one up that is. Also we are not supposed to discuss Hackintoshes, and I don't believe it's a big deal to talk about hardware that is compatible with one I cannot go into details on software and how to set one up. Also, reliability? This thong will last you years. Supermicro is known for their amazing quality of motherboards which of course is the backbone of the system. In fact I wouldn't be to surprised if the Mac Pro 2012 model uses components by Supermicro (like Asus uses Foxconn components in their motherboards). The motherboard in the Powermacs are the only thing by Apple in that system, along with the case (and PSU but that isn't manufactured BY Apple, it's just shippied to them by FEC, etc. and branded Apple). Other then that, Intel CPUs are used, AMD/nVidia GPUS are used, probably Samsung RAM is used, etc. So anything the Mac Pro is reliable in, this one will be to.
 
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Punk

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Staff member
Actually you can do all those things for less than a Mac Pro. Especially last gen, it will a absolute fortune.
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$2500 (or whatever it would be in your currency) for Dual-Xeons, 32 GB of RAM, 2 2TB HDDs for RAID, a good case (not as nice looking as Apple's, but if you want to spend several thousand dollars more for looks, be my guest), EVGA 1000W PSU, and a very nice Supermicro server motherboard. Not saying all these are compatible with a Hackintosh but if you are interested I will pull one up that is. Also we are not supposed to discuss Hackintoshes, and I don't believe it's a big deal to talk about hardware that is compatible with one I cannot go into details on software and how to set one up. Also, reliability? This thong will last you years. Supermicro is known for their amazing quality of motherboards which of course is the backbone of the system. In fact I wouldn't be to surprised if the Mac Pro 2012 model uses components by Supermicro (like Asus uses Foxconn components in their motherboards). The motherboard in the Powermacs are the only thing by Apple in that system, along with the case (and PSU but that isn't manufactured BY Apple, it's just shippied to them by FEC, etc. and branded Apple). Other then that, Intel CPUs are used, AMD/nVidia GPUS are used, probably Samsung RAM is used, etc. So anything the Mac Pro is reliable in, this one will be to.

I think he wants a laptop...

But yeah I never understood why people prefer Macs... other than to professionaly look "professional"...
 

lucasbytegenius

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But yeah I never understood why people prefer Macs... other than to professionaly look "professional"...

Maybe it's because they're easy to use and they don't want trouble a PC might give them?
Also, if ease of use isn't the reason, if you've been using a platform for years it's really hard to switch. You've got all those programs you spent money on over the years and tons of files that only work on that platform. I can understand why people use Macs. I don't recommend using them myself though.
 

Punk

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Maybe it's because they're easy to use and they don't want trouble a PC might give them?
Also, if ease of use isn't the reason, if you've been using a platform for years it's really hard to switch. You've got all those programs you spent money on over the years and tons of files that only work on that platform. I can understand why people use Macs. I don't recommend using them myself though.

I agree with you to some extent. SO basically once you've used a Mac for over three years you're stuck in the overpriced band forever?...
 

PunterCam

Active Member
It's not that overpriced though! It does come with a lovely case (which is durable, and makes swapping out hdd's far easier than any tower I've ever used - although I'm sure there are plenty of PC cases which also do that). It also comes with (what I reckon is) the best mouse on sale, and a lovely keyboard, plus a top notch OS with £20 major updates. That lot alone adds another £200-300! No compatibility issues, no "oooo, we haven't tested the software with that motherboard and video card combination, we can't help you" conversations with support. Peace of mind is worth a lot.

And like I said, my time costs too. If I spend a day getting a computer going, that's me throwing away another potential 2 or 300 quid.

But regardless, I was merely asking if anyone knew of either an Apple source, or a third party distributer who is selling off the remaining stock of mac pros? Of if such a thing is happening?

C
 

PCunicorn

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No. We don't. And even if we did, the price premium would be ridiculous. You actually make 300 "quid" on a saturday or sunday? I kinda doubt that. Also, 3 hours hooking a computer together is not going to take a whole day. And also, even back when they didn't have a ridicoulus price premium (last year) they were, yes, that overpriced. Did you see what I put up in that last post? A dual xeon, supermicro board, 32 GB setup. For $2500. How much would a Mac Pro be with all that? $6000?
 

Aastii

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No. We don't. And even if we did, the price premium would be ridiculous. You actually make 300 "quid" on a saturday or sunday? I kinda doubt that. Also, 3 hours hooking a computer together is not going to take a whole day. And also, even back when they didn't have a ridicoulus price premium (last year) they were, yes, that overpriced. Did you see what I put up in that last post? A dual xeon, supermicro board, 32 GB setup. For $2500. How much would a Mac Pro be with all that? $6000?

No, YOU don't.

No, the price premium is not ridiculous

Yes, people do, a lot of them as well. It is not necessarily 300 wage but 300 total income, people have overheads that then come out of the total income, some of which you still have to pay if you are self employed and not working that day.

To set up a computer properly, from building right through to getting everything installed + working can easily take a day.

You are comparing apples and oranges, no pun intended. Whilst I would not have a Mac because it serves no purpose to me, they are far from overpriced. How about, now that you have the hardware together, you go and price up the software that you get with the Mac as well? You will find that difference very quickly diminishes. There is of course the argument that you can get an equivelent for free on a PC, but that is only half true. You do not get the same functionality, the same quality or the same support as the software that comes with the Mac, which for a professional user is huge.

We are not talking about you sat in your room playing games and talking on forums, we are talking about using the computer for a professional use, for which the price is not more than the actual value of the machine, you get exactly what you pay for - quality and a tool which works for the job at hand.

Punter, unfortunately at this point it would appear that you have two options to get one - Amazon or Ebay. They are rare as rocking horse poo at this point because as you mentioned yourself, they stopped selling them here
 

PCunicorn

Active Member
Well he obviously has enough time to post on this forum, doesn't he Aastii? Also he said 300 quid in a day, not total income as well if he is looking for a Mac Pro he has money. I know it's for pro work, did you not see my posts? Yes the price premium is ridicoulus, I know this for a fact because one day I configured a Mac Pro on Apple's site which was significantly (but still contained just 2 Xeons, a couple 1 TB drives, and 2 5870s) better than the one I put up in the newegg build post and it came out to $11,000 (roughly). For $8,000 (roughly) you could get 2 top of the line Xeons, a couple Titans, a few 3 TB drives, 128 GB of RAM.
 

SpringWater

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Well he obviously has enough time to post on this forum, doesn't he Aastii? Also he said 300 quid in a day, not total income as well if he is looking for a Mac Pro he has money. I know it's for pro work, did you not see my posts? Yes the price premium is ridicoulus, I know this for a fact because one day I configured a Mac Pro on Apple's site which was significantly (but still contained just 2 Xeons, a couple 1 TB drives, and 2 5870s) better than the one I put up in the newegg build post and it came out to $11,000 (roughly). For $8,000 (roughly) you could get 2 top of the line Xeons, a couple Titans, a few 3 TB drives, 128 GB of RAM.

Totally aggree with you, I don't understand people who are willing to buy overpriced computers just because they believe in the magic of this apple logo on their machine.
 

Aastii

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Well he obviously has enough time to post on this forum, doesn't he Aastii? Also he said 300 quid in a day, not total income as well if he is looking for a Mac Pro he has money. I know it's for pro work, did you not see my posts? Yes the price premium is ridicoulus, I know this for a fact because one day I configured a Mac Pro on Apple's site which was significantly (but still contained just 2 Xeons, a couple 1 TB drives, and 2 5870s) better than the one I put up in the newegg build post and it came out to $11,000 (roughly). For $8,000 (roughly) you could get 2 top of the line Xeons, a couple Titans, a few 3 TB drives, 128 GB of RAM.

Yeah those 0.2 posts a day must really soak the time up, right :rolleyes:. You don't need to work 24/7 to make money, when you grow up and enter the real world you will find this out.

I did see your posts where you were spouting the brown stuff (again), however I doubt that you read mine. Here is what you get from a Mac that you don't seem to be understanding:

1. Quality control and tight quality control at that
2. A pre-built system, add labour costs, take away setup time
3. An OS designed for the hardware that it is on which in turn gives better performance as the OS and all software is developed for that hardware and that OS so again, it will work better.
4. A huge amount of bundled software that would cost thousands to buy alternatives of the same quality
5. Good support, unlike an unfortunately large amount of hardware manufacturers, and major ones at that as well (looks at Asus)
6. A near enough totally silent system. You want that on a PC, go and add in aftermarket heatsinks, fans or better yet, full water cooling loops
7. Aesthetics that are otherwise only obtainable by heavy modding which would take weeks or months to do to any sort of decent standard or by shelling out large amounts of money on a parted out iMac case
8. A plethora of third party professional software that is only available on Mac or works much better on Mac

Totally aggree with you, I don't understand people who are willing to buy overpriced computers just because they believe in the magic of this apple logo on their machine.

Of course you don't, neither you or PC have any use for them so do not see the value of them. As a man I see no use in feminine hygiene products, yet I will not shout that they are therefore a waste of time, space and money just because I have no use for them because I am not short sighted enough to not realise that other people do have a use for them.


Here is an idea, if you do not agree with the purchase or what is being asked, don't post saying that you do not agree with it. Do you know what happens then? Exactly what is happening now, the thread veers completely off topic. How about we draw a line under this and continue thusly?

Do you have a place to buy a 2013 iMac pro?

If yes, feel free to share. If no, don't post again
 
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PCunicorn

Active Member
All points are idiotic and not true, or are semi true, I had a post and the tablet said it was posted but it wasnt?. Have a good day spending more then you need to OP. Look at the newegg post I posted and consider it.
 
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Aastii

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Read your PM mate. If you want to post anything else regarding this thread other than where OP can buy an iMac in the UK, please PM me instead of posting here.
 
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