Are large updates necessary

Hi,
I have Windows 10 computers that have 3.5GB updates, plus periodic extra ones, and other software also need updates all of the time.
I understand the need to keep each of them save and clean, but why does Windows especially, need to be re-installed each time, instead of only changing what's different.

I ask this because the use of all of this data is, I suppose using many resources, and hopefully we are aiming to reduce the use as much as we can.

Camerart.

Updates as a whole are not necessarily. You can update to your little heart's content and you will still have malware issues. You just have to take a common sense and prudent approach on using a computer. I never use updates, have 4 computers and not a one of them is infected or have been hacked. Do I need to list the ten or so different tools I use to scan my computers?

Install Shutup 10. And if necessary, only install criticals if it's possible. As it is now, 10 is a god damn spy machine.

So instead of installing updates you run 10 different tools to scan your computers? Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the updates.

Depends on the updates. Updates like the Creators Update actually reinstall the entire OS while updating, so you'll have an update package roughly equivalent to the size of the installation ISO. Depending on the functions that change will impact what dependencies also need updated. If you're making broad/sweeping changes it may make more sense from a Microsoft perspective to align all of these by effectively touching everything at once versus trying to incremental patch each piece.

For smaller changes like certain vulnerability fixes you'll definitely see a correspondingly smaller update footprint.

Agent Smith said:

I never use updates, have 4 computers and not a one of them is infected or have been hacked.

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Thankfully you are not a security professional.

Shutdown every night or at least once a week. It should download the updates in the background and install when you shut down or restart. I almost never see Windows updating for more than a minute or two at a time outside the major updates. Usually not even at all with a faster computer and daily shutdowns.

Honestly, if you want to use Windows 10. You need to use the updates or you're just going to cause yourself problems. If you don't want updates, fine. Use a different OS, but people that intentionally forego updates on 10 are just shooting themselves in the foot sooner or later due to security risks and jacking with the OS to prevent them and usually just causing more problems. You have a great deal of control over the updates nowadays, you can throttle the download speed of them and set exactly when you want them to install (or just restart). Update nightmares of early Windows 10 aren't nearly as much of an issue anymore.

Hi
Thanks for all the answers.

My computers are set not to update, but tell me when I need to.

As I only use a pre-paid sim, I don't want to pay for both computer updates.

I actually update at a friends (but that's cheating).

If there was a way of getting them without that mass of DATA traffic, I'm sure it would at least save a bit of the world, or am I overstating it?
C.

strollin said:

So instead of installing updates you run 10 different tools to scan your computers? Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the updates.

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You don't get it, do you? I said you can update all you want and you will STILL get malware. I only pointed out that I use about ten different tools once in a while because I foresaw someone pointing out that because I don't use asinine "updates" I have an infected computer. Nothing could be further from the truth. I haven't used updates since I used Windows 98se back in 2004. I have never been hacked, attacked or gotten malware. Like I already said, it's all in how you use your system. And I did point out you should use criticals.

But lets just see how updates can really muck your computer up.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...cpu-core-forever-with-windows-update.2491444/

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...automatically-reboots-and-then-stuck.2491473/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/windows-10-update-dam.2489532/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/win-7-update-headaches-and-confusion.2489403/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/odd-windows-update.2489266/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/win7s-windows-update-may-be-made-of-squirrels.2489213/

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ry-update-has-me-pulling-my-hair-out.2489857/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/issue-with-windows-10-update.2492601/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/win10-may-have-a-new-networking-issue.2494274/#post-38625961

https://www.computerforum.com/threads/i-need-help-because-this-is-pisting-me-off.240871/

Windows updates are as bad as my damn cable box from Comcast. Every night the box "updates." Talk about excessive. Just what are in all these "updates" and why so frequently? Is Windows that much of a shit product that it has to constantly update?

Personally, when the time comes I finally need to use Windows 10 I'll block all of M$'s ASNs in a hardware-based firewall. And I bet my computer will be in better shape for it too. All the while I'll continue to read post after post after post on computer forums of people updating and getting computer issues or still getting viruses, etc.

Trust me, I run a pretty tight ship despite my use of "updates." It's just how I roll. I'm unorthodoxed, and I certainly don't follow the crowd and their dumb ass belief systems. Enjoy the built-in keylogger and being a cash cow for Redmond. Do as you will.

Camerart said:

If there was a way of getting them without that mass of DATA traffic, I'm sure it would at least save a bit of the world, or am I overstating it?

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I don't think so.

beers said:

Thankfully you are not a security professional.

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Thankfully severs use Linux. And when you update repositories and crap it won't break the whole damn system. Plus, it's not something you absolutely need or else you have a large hole in your environment. But in a server any and all hole should be plugged no matter how small less you get the NSA up your ass and they pry that small flaw open like a crack in a dam.

Agent Smith said:

Thankfully severs use Linux. And when you update repositories and crap it won't break the whole damn system. Plus, it's not something you absolutely need or else you have a large hole in your environment. But in a server any and all hole should be plugged no matter how small less you get the NSA up your ass and they pry that small flaw open like a crack in a dam.

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Hi A,
I like your positivity, but be careful not too be fanatic.

For example: for those of us with more than one machine, who want to update. We can download the update once, then update more than one machine, with it, saving 3.5 Gb for each machine. Just saying.
Use plastic wisely and keep
C.