Xbox 360 Elite

MasterEVC

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for $200

I just want to point out something.

Xbox 360 Elite - 120GB HDD, DVD-ROM, MSRP HDMI, $479

PS3 - 20GB HDD, BD-DVD, HDMI, MSRP $499

A blue ray drive for $20 more.

Plus $25+ per movie to re-buy. I'll stick to DVD until theres a single format, not wasting my money on another Sony format that will most likely fail (I hope)
 

double b26

New Member
i feel ripped off.

of course when i say that on xbox.com all the fanboys cry. but i just paid $500 for a premium system bundle last november. then another $100 for the circuit city "dis-advantage plan", as i call it. they make you send the whole system in and send you a gift card...less the warranty amount. you gotta buy a new console and a new warrany on it (another $100 down the drain). i sent mine to microsoft. it broke after just 3 months.

the 12gb that you have on the regular hard drive doesnt last long at all. some demos are 1gb alone. then if you download movies or shows in high def, you can scratch the rest of the space real quick.

id like to have the larger hard drive. i guess microsoft has to keep up with playstation. as far as music storage, i just stream from the pc. but i guess it would be nice to have some room to store music on the hd. that way i could hear it when im not at my house.

i always said they should have stayed with the black and green consoles...it was kind-of their trademark. then they went with the white, which shows all the dust and finger cheese. and i believe microsoft added a hdmi output on the elite systems...keeping up with playstation again. guess thats what you gotta do when you release your console a year before the competition.

anyway, id like to have one. i like the extra hard drive space and the black instead of white. but i think $179 or whatever for a hd by itself is ridiculous.

these are the things with microsoft that suck. xbox fanboys stop reading now.
i had the original 'box. when i bought the 360 i gave the old one to my nieces. i kept 3 games that i wanted to play still. all of them are "platinum hits"...the most popular games out. well only 2 of them are backwards compatible. but games like 'barbie horse round-up' are backwards compatible. go figure. so they are really slacking on the whole 'play old games on the new system' deal.
then there is xbox live...$50 a year. not much, but why do we have to pay??? i paid 500 bucks for the console and more for games and stuff. but i cant play half the game i paid without paying more for the online "service". and on the other hand playstation 3 offers online play for free (tho i hear it isnt that good). and anyone who says, "you pay for them to update and maintain servers and stuff..", well think about this. 6 million users @ $50 each = $300,000,000/year. and thats the minimum...$8-10 if you pay monthly...then its like $100/year per person. doubt it takes that much money to maintain some servers and pay some techs. but even at this point, you still dont have the whole game. they always come out with "downloadable content" for games after they release them. maps, cars, whatever. the stuff isnt much money. but if you dont get it, you get the "this party is using downloadable content that you do not have" message. M$ is just greedy, end of story. im surprised they didnt make me pay to ship my broken console to them for repair!!! and the customer service is a joke! (i think..couldnt understand the rep on the phone :p)
 

hermeslyre

VIP Member
Heh.. very true. But this stuff happens with each new console generation. With one big exeception. Nintendo. When did you ever get a disc read error with your Gamecube? Oh sure you can't play Gta, halo, MGS or an actual final fantasy on it but i think Stuck up sony and misdirection microsoft should take a page out of Nintendo's book. Make sure you test your system real good beforehand.. instead of making us do it for you. :D
 

heyman421

banned
i think the problem is that microsoft and sony are both taking such huge losses in their hardware pricing, that they feel it necessary to reduce some of the loss by using the cheapest, crappiest hardware possible

i think it would be worth an extra $100 for a 'wont break' version.

That's a hell of a lot more important, imo, than some extra hard drive space, and a black paintjob. How about some components that last more than a year or two? My NES from 89 or 90 still works better than the ps2 i bought 2 years ago, which as of lately sounds like a chainsaw, takes forever to load, and makes game videos skip CONSTANTLY, or just plain freezes completely.
 

bball4life

New Member
Microsoft isn't losing money on their xbox's they are making money.

I feel ripped off to, I bought my premium awhile back, but the warranty was only $15 at samsclub, so contemplating a return and selling the new one for the upgrade... Or as long as I can return it and get HDMI and the 65nm chips on a new premium...
 

double b26

New Member
PLEASE CHECK OUT THESE LINKS FOR THE FACTS

Elite system will be built to a higher standard

ALL 360's will be IPTV capable by this winter.

Elite has the same chipset as the existing 360's. You can transfer files between 20gb HDD and the new 120gb model.

xbox.com's official take on the elite system

Elite or Not?

im sure its covered in one of those links, but there is no hd-dvd drive built into the elite system. basically, the difference is the color, hdmi output and the larger hard drive. nothing else...unless you believe that 'built to a higher standard' crap. ill have to see that to believe it!!!

Playstation 3 vs X-Box 360 Elite. nice side-by-side comparison that is worth a good look no matter which console you favor.
 

Styrak

New Member
Uhh, why does a Microsoft product (who support HD-DVD) have a Blu-ray drive?

Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot?!
 

Geoff

VIP Member
a gaming PC will blow away a console, I get so tired of people challenging there 360 against my PC.
A PC is obviously better, but look at the price. A nice gaming PC will cost you at least $1500, while an Xbox 360 only costs $300 or $400.
 

double b26

New Member
[-0MEGA-];634055 said:
I cant believe it, we are talking about the Elite not worth the extra $80, while people on ebay are paying over $700 for the pre-order of it!!


the issue isnt that its not worth the extra $80 if you were gonna buy one.

the point (to me anyway) is that people who paid $400 for a 'premium' system will end up having almost $600 invested to make it equal the elite (and it still wont have hdmi). and the old 20gb hard drive will be useless, just collecting dust. so its not like we would benefit from having both hdd's, cause you can only use one or the other at any given time. so if i buy a new hard drive, my old one will turn into a paper weight.

the real winners are the people who skimped out when buying their console and went with the core system. they have $300 in it. add in the new hard drive for $179 and they are gonna have the same amount of money as they would have if they had bought the elite (of course, no wireless controller or hdmi with the core).

so the point to me is that the people who spent the extra cash on the "premium" console are the ones getting shafted. if we want to have a console that is in the same ballpark as the elite, we will have over $100 dollars more invested than if we would have went with the core system and added the 120gb hdd or just waited and bought elite system.

premium owners went out on a limb and paid for the extra bells and whistles. then mircosoft cuts the tree down while we are still in it.
 

12-Gauge

New Member
A PC is obviously better, but look at the price. A nice gaming PC will cost you at least $1500, while an Xbox 360 only costs $300 or $400.

Not only that but a console, such as the 360, offers a 'stable' platform. That is to say, every one is the same (in terms of hardware) and game developers can create game specifically for that hardware. That's why if you look at older consoles, like the PS2, a few of the games still look sweet (GoW 2) whereas an old PC (more than a year or so old) would run games poorly, because developers are creating games for the very latest hardware.
 

Styrak

New Member
A console, however, can only play games. Yes I know it can play music and such, but you usually have to load a separate media player, etc. A computer can do anything (within reason, of course). Also, consoles are now approaching the price of PC's....so what's the point?
 

ADE

banned
a few hours and $1500 later my computer easily dominates any console out there. They call their crap next generation, what does that make my computer? 5th gen? I never get tiered of laughing at people when I prove my computer is better than their console.

" I can do 1080i TV's! Ha!"
"I can do 2! Boo Ya!"
 

double b26

New Member
a few hours and $1500 later my computer easily dominates any console out there. They call their crap next generation, what does that make my computer? 5th gen? I never get tiered of laughing at people when I prove my computer is better than their console.

" I can do 1080i TV's! Ha!"
"I can do 2! Boo Ya!"

$1500... and next year you do it again, cause it will be obsolete (or well on its way).

myself, ill spend $400 on a console and 2 minutes hooking it up. especially since i have 2 regular computers already. and honestly, why would someone spent $1500 on a computer that will be outdated in a year or so just for games? im sure its 'all that', but besides games, what is that money you spent gonna help you do? i have a year and a half old, $800 dell that does everything i ever want a computer to do, besides play newer games (tho i do need to upgrade memory and such these days, but...) but gaming on the pc isnt an issue since i have a gaming console just for that reason. plus i can use the 360's media center extender capabilities to listen to music, view pics and watch videos in my living room. and thats nice.

comparing a top end gaming pc to a gaming console is like apples to oranges.

one the computer side, you have something that u can upgrade yourself. if you have the ambition, time and money to upgrade all the time, your computer could be up to date forever (within reason). but if you dont udgrade your equiptment, over time, the computer will be outdated and obsolete.

on the console side, you buy it and thats it. youre done. they might update the firmware and such, but the internals are always going to be the same. and just like anything else like that, it will be outdated just like a pc would if you dont update. the 360's are already a year and a half old. and more than likely, the chipset and everything was already decided upon (at least) a month or better before its release. and that being the case, its in the same boat as my pc (that is approximatly the same age)...it needs upgrades to be at todays standards.

so what you are really saying is that your newly upgraded, $1500+ computer is better than a $400, 1.5 year-old, gaming console. i would hope so!!!!
 
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