XP or Vista

Kabu · Nov 27, 2007

I did a lot of research before I decided to buy a new PC with a Vista OS. Even though the majority bash it, I really like it. Now I have Vista and 2 Gigs, works wonderfully and all of my proggies save one work with Vista. I am even using a photo editing program that I got 8 years ago and it works fine. All my hardware and peripherals work just as well with Vista as they did with my XP and 1 Gig.

Vista runs slow because of Superfetch and all the little things it does automatically so you don't have to think about them, like defragging and such. There are numerous tweaks you can use to make Vista's performance better and faster.

One quick note, as it's been touched on in another thread (or it may have been this one) putting 4 Gigs in a 32 bit won't do you any good at all. Here's a link to the explanation ... http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html

zaroba · Nov 27, 2007

tlarkin said:
I was not gaming on this machine, not editing video or audio, just basic things. Office productivity, web surfing, small time scripting and maybe some DVD and audio play back. Nothing that any OS couldn't handle with just 1 gig of RAM, with the exception that Vista performed the poorest. I never really got above using 1 gig of RAM and your system does not slow down until you use up all your RAM and then it has to start paging virtual memory to make up for the RAM you don't have. So, having anything over 2 gigs of RAM does not help me.

actually, most OSs (vista included) use a paging file even when there IS ram still available.
currently my PC has 2.2gb of paged stuff while its only using 2gb of my 5gb of ram.

and that average user is the one who thinks vista is to blame for all there trouble when they don't know how to upgrade there pc and don't know about ram. which takes us alllll the way back to the post about vista sales and negative publicity.

tlarkin · Nov 27, 2007

zaroba said:
you see, like you with reading stuff, i too went that path. i went threw the Microsoft Systems Engineer certification courses. what i have found is that what the books tell you IS NOT what will most often happen in real life situations.

in fact, you will most often learn completely different things via real life trial and error then the books will tell you.
so, I suggest you actually try testing stuff before claiming it as truth.

This we completely agree on. I remember one question (i think internet security) on the MCSE was: (something like this)

You have two separate subnets sharing internet connections, what is the best way to accomplish secure internet access?

The choices were a bunch of different options, but the correct answer was to build an ISA server. Anyone with half a brain knows that a good decent router can accomplish everything an ISA server can, and is ultimately easier to maintain and cheaper.

I am not regurgitating anything from any certification test, training course or anything. I am just explaining how memory works on a basic level, and that in your case you were probably using more than 1 gig of RAM and in my case the system was minimal and did minimal things and never really went over 1 gig of RAM usage, so your theory of adding more RAM would not have helped my situation is all I am saying. What I described is not specific to any OS, it is specific to how memory works on the a basic level. Every OS uses those same concepts to utilize system memory. There are of course a few differences in how each OS approaches it. Like Linux likes to use swap partitions for virtual memory instead of the root partition, otherwise they all function the same way.

Having been in the field for over 8 years I can attest and agree with you 100% you can't learn how to really do much in the IT field from a book or a class and that experience is the best teacher. Trust me, I have broken and crashed enough things in my time to learn a lot. Because really you learn more from failure than you do success.

zaroba · Nov 27, 2007

yes, but have you actually tested that ram process?

have you actually tested having 2gb of ram even when you wont be using more then 1gb?

keep in mind that just because its a web browser, doesn't mean it wont use alot of ram. my firefox despite only being here, is using 200mb of ram. 1 firefox along with vista + aero, sidebar (which will easily use a few hundred mb depending on whats in it), plus other things in vista (listed by intelcrazy on page 24) will easily exceed 1gb of used ram.

PC eye · Nov 27, 2007

Gee? with all these pages the tally for the poll hasn't seen much change since 3:25AM. Let's see where it stands at the present moment.

XP = count = 45 = 59.21%

Vista = count = 31 = 40.79%

It would seem Vista has edged a little in the last 16hrs. by 2%.

INTELCRAZY · Nov 27, 2007

tlarkin said:
Intel-

How does that benefit the end user? I am talking about the end user, the average person who uses a computer.

None of those things really benefit an end user, they benefit the power users or the IT/Enterprise users.

You think your average joe is going to watch the stability monitor, or the crash reporter, or look into using NAP at home? Or perhaps the average user will encrypt their file system? The average user can't even back up their own data, remember their passwords, or figure out how to fully use an email/calendar system. I can't tell you how many passwords I reset every day at work.

None of those things really benefit anyone, because any advanced user is going to use more powerful third party apps, and the basic users aren't going to use any of that crap.

So, again, how does this benefit the end user?

Sure they do... Did you miss Windows Update?

You know what, I have made my point to ppl who can understand it... You are now trying to be jerk.. I have nothing for you, if you want to make everything complicated, go get on one of those nerdier forums that you spend time on anyway... God forbid EFI support, whatever the Hell it does, I won't use it... I looked it up when you started whining about that crap and if it has to do with Itanium server platforms, I am pretty friggin' sure that it won't be for your beloved end-user..

tlarkin · Nov 27, 2007

INTELCRAZY said:
Sure they do... Did you miss Windows Update?

You know what, I have made my point to ppl who can understand it... You are now trying to be jerk.. I have nothing for you, if you want to make everything complicated, go get on one of those nerdier forums that you spend time on anyway... God forbid EFI support, whatever the Hell it does, I won't use it... I looked it up when you started whining about that crap and if it has to do with Itanium server platforms, I am pretty friggin' sure that it won't be for your beloved end-user..

hahaha

EFI - extensible firmware interface, look it up, its actually really cool and will revolutionize hardware and do tons for gaming. It allows a more robust answer to drivers and hardware support via firmware level driven applications. It also allows for no such thing as a driver, it will all be contained in the hardware. No more boot sectors, the OS can be held on a flash drive on the motherboard and the HD is just for data.

Also, all you have to do to keep up is spend a few minutes on digg and slashdot every day, plus I am constantly researching stuff for work, its just the nature of the beast.

Kabu · Nov 27, 2007

PC eye said:
Gee? with all these pages the tally for the poll hasn't seen much change since 3:25AM. Let's see where it stands at the present moment.

XP = count = 45 = 59.21%

Vista = count = 31 = 40.79%

It would seem Vista has edged a little in the last 16hrs. by 2%.

LOL - It seems that Vista isn't the monster it's made out to be

DirtyD86 · Nov 27, 2007

vista reigns supreme. even more so once SP1 is released in 1st quarter 08

INTELCRAZY · Nov 27, 2007

tlarkin said:
hahaha

EFI - extensible firmware interface, look it up, its actually really cool and will revolutionize hardware and do tons for gaming. It allows a more robust answer to drivers and hardware support via firmware level driven applications. It also allows for no such thing as a driver, it will all be contained in the hardware. No more boot sectors, the OS can be held on a flash drive on the motherboard and the HD is just for data.

Also, all you have to do to keep up is spend a few minutes on digg and slashdot every day, plus I am constantly researching stuff for work, its just the nature of the beast.

Too early for that crap...

porterjw · Nov 27, 2007

Well, I thought I had washed my hands of this Thread, but after someone asked a question in another Thread, and the responding Poster linked to the 'Clean Interior' string, I thought for a moment, and decided I needed at least one more post.

So, to begin with, let's see some of what one of the most-adamant Vista fanboys has posted in just this Thread:

but I don't want to dual boot xp so thats fine

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yea vistas awesome

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Originally by paratwq:

Oh she knows, besides I want to divorce her since she still runs XP, and you know that anyone that runs XP is a total idiot, just ask all of vista lovers!

>>Response:

of course I kno that

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always be a better and more popular os

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Originally posted by jutnm:

i think most ppl who choose XP bc they have only experienced XP only and not the side of vista

>>Response:

yea or its just like my sig lol

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IMAO just because people can't run vista on their rig is why I think that they'res so many xp voters right

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<----- look at my pic its kinda hard to see but its legible

(pic referring to avatar)
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yea ur rig is a pos thats why u don't run vista

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Now, I'm all for irony, so when I saw this, I just had to

Never saw mention anywhere of a dual-boot either, so that just added to it

http://www.computerforum.com/816281-post336.html

And just for the record...

nope I'm a sophomore and I don't kno because I'm homeschooled

...Tell your parents to work on your grammar.

INTELCRAZY · Nov 27, 2007

imsati said:
Well, I thought I had washed my hands of this Thread, but after someone asked a question in another Thread, and the responding Poster linked to the 'Clean Interior' string, I thought for a moment, and decided I needed at least one more post.

So, to begin with, let's see some of what one of the most-adamant Vista fanboys has posted in just this Thread:

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Originally by paratwq:

>>Response:
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Originally posted by jutnm:

>>Response:
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(pic referring to avatar)
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Now, I'm all for irony, so when I saw this, I just had to Never saw mention anywhere of a dual-boot either, so that just added to it

http://www.computerforum.com/816281-post336.html

And just for the record...

...Tell your parents to work on your grammar.

Oh, look at you, eh? Nice try... I see what you're up to here...

porterjw · Nov 27, 2007

INTELCRAZY said:
Oh, look at you, eh? Nice try... I see what you're up to here...

Then at least one of us does. Enlighten me?

INTELCRAZY · Nov 27, 2007

imsati said:
Then at least one of us does. Enlighten me?

Just don't try to make ppl seem like bad ppl.... He is entitled to his opinion and who was the "over-confident" Vista user?

porterjw · Nov 27, 2007

INTELCRAZY said:
Just don't try to make ppl seem like bad ppl.... He is entitled to his opinion and who was the "over-confident" Vista user?

I'm not. I'm just pointing out something I found odd. I thought I was done with this Thread 2 days ago. It just happened by chance that I saw the old Post, and being one for irony, thought I'd share it.

'over-confident' Vista user? From where?

Jabes · Nov 27, 2007

imsati said:
Well, I thought I had washed my hands of this Thread, but after someone asked a question in another Thread, and the responding Poster linked to the 'Clean Interior' string, I thought for a moment, and decided I needed at least one more post.

So, to begin with, let's see some of what one of the most-adamant Vista fanboys has posted in just this Thread:

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Originally by paratwq:

>>Response:
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Originally posted by jutnm:

>>Response:
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(pic referring to avatar)
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Now, I'm all for irony, so when I saw this, I just had to Never saw mention anywhere of a dual-boot either, so that just added to it

http://www.computerforum.com/816281-post336.html

And just for the record...

...Tell your parents to work on your grammar.

hmm that looks like my post

did u ever think that I may have used to run xp and vista but wen I installed vista I screwed around and got xp messed up so now I don't nemore heres my post about dual booting http://www.computerforum.com/97918-dual-boot-vista-xp.html did you ever hear of the search button?

I didn't post my pc in that thread to show how clean my pc is it was to show a guy wat a pc looked like with red lights

gamer30 said:
Does anyone have red led fans in their case, could you post a picture?

and

have you ever heard of txt talk or are you that noobish that you never heard of that?

and have you ever heard of something called freedom

INTELCRAZY · Nov 27, 2007

So, to begin with, let's see some of what one of the most-adamant Vista fanboys has posted in just this Thread:

There ya go...

porterjw · Nov 27, 2007

Jabes said:
I didn't post my pc in that thread to show how clean my pc is it was to show a guy wat a pc looked like with red lights

And I didn't bring it up for any reason other than I found your endless 'Vista is supreme' stance in this Thread to be ironic when this is the only shot of your OS to-date.

have you ever heard of txt talk or are you that noobish that you never heard of that?

Text-talk is one thing. Poor grammar is something completely different. Spelling/shorthand is not the same as proper sentence structure. Your sentences are diagramming nightmares. Do you post from your cell phone?

and have you ever heard of something called freedom

This coming from an adamant MS-user to someone that is an equally-adamant Open Source user? Again, the irony.

I never once dared to question the freedom you have, nor was that the focus of any of my Posts.

ThatGuy16 · Nov 27, 2007

imsati said:
So, to begin with, let's see some of what one of the most-adamant XP fanboys has posted in just this Thread:

fixed

im surprised this thread hasn't been locked already...

Just leave it alone... its going to be alright... i promise

Jabes · Nov 27, 2007

imsati said:
And I didn't bring it up for any reason other than I found your endless 'Vista is supreme' stance in this Thread to be ironic when this is the only shot of your OS to-date.

Text-talk is one thing. Poor grammar is something completely different. Spelling/shorthand is not the same as proper sentence structure. Your sentences are diagramming nightmares. Do you post from your cell phone?

This coming from an adamant MS-user to someone that is an equally-adamant Open Source user? Again, the irony.

I never once dared to question the freedom you have, nor was that the focus of any of my Posts.

no I don't post from a cell phone y r u sayin that my I don't have proper sentece structure

most of the time I'm typing in between doing other stuff

well u don't like my sig right?

"IF YOU HATE VISTA EITHER THE PC YOUR TRYING TO RUN IT ON IS A POS OR YOUR A NOOB
noob
1. (Internet slang, pejorative) A newb or newbie; refers to the idea that someone is new to a game, concept, or idea; implying a lack of experience.
* Noobs are annoying, they never know the forum rules."

Ah, the ignorance of teenagers. And before my rant, for the record, no, I was never this bad...

So we bash people who don't like Vista, then bash their computers, and then bash their computer intelligence?

and then u bash peoples sigs? I see

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